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Is Europe turning ? 19:19 - Nov 26 with 11796 viewsKeithHaynes

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Is Europe turning ? on 14:09 - Dec 18 with 774 viewscontroversial_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 09:51 - Dec 18 by felixstowe_jack

Funny killy never sees the irony of wanting independence from a democratic UK only to surrender it to the Undemocratic EU.
He never accepts that the UK, including Wales, democratically voted the leave the EU.
He also refuses the accept that 80% of the Welsh population don't want independence.


I think everyone accepts it was a democratic decision to leave, but it has been shown to be the wrong one. It's time for another vote to rejoin if we would be permitted to by the other members. We are on our own and have to suck it up
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Is Europe turning ? on 16:02 - Dec 18 with 726 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Is Europe turning ? on 14:09 - Dec 18 by controversial_jack

I think everyone accepts it was a democratic decision to leave, but it has been shown to be the wrong one. It's time for another vote to rejoin if we would be permitted to by the other members. We are on our own and have to suck it up


It hasn’t been shown to be anything of the sort.

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Is Europe turning ? on 16:11 - Dec 18 with 717 viewsSullutaCreturned

Is Europe turning ? on 14:09 - Dec 18 by controversial_jack

I think everyone accepts it was a democratic decision to leave, but it has been shown to be the wrong one. It's time for another vote to rejoin if we would be permitted to by the other members. We are on our own and have to suck it up


We can only ask to rejoin but we wouldn't get the same terms and we'd have to meet the Copenhagen criteria. Would we meet those right now?
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Is Europe turning ? on 16:15 - Dec 18 with 711 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Is Europe turning ? on 16:11 - Dec 18 by SullutaCreturned

We can only ask to rejoin but we wouldn't get the same terms and we'd have to meet the Copenhagen criteria. Would we meet those right now?


Doesn’t matter, they only want our money.

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Is Europe turning ? on 16:27 - Dec 18 with 686 viewsWhiterockin

It would always give Labour someone else to blame.
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Is Europe turning ? on 17:07 - Dec 18 with 643 viewsunion_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 09:51 - Dec 18 by felixstowe_jack

Funny killy never sees the irony of wanting independence from a democratic UK only to surrender it to the Undemocratic EU.
He never accepts that the UK, including Wales, democratically voted the leave the EU.
He also refuses the accept that 80% of the Welsh population don't want independence.


It’s called blissful ignorance.

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Is Europe turning ? on 17:25 - Dec 18 with 620 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 17:07 - Dec 18 by union_jack

It’s called blissful ignorance.


Its not democratic when every welsh mp voted against the flooding of welsh valleys and tbe english mps said go ahead - so the valley was flooded.

Thats your uk, a greater England model unfit for a modern world.

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Is Europe turning ? on 17:28 - Dec 18 with 616 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 14:09 - Dec 18 by controversial_jack

I think everyone accepts it was a democratic decision to leave, but it has been shown to be the wrong one. It's time for another vote to rejoin if we would be permitted to by the other members. We are on our own and have to suck it up


If they publish the Russia report in full then we can accept it.

It was set up as an Advisory Referendum to avoid scrutiny.

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Is Europe turning ? on 17:32 - Dec 18 with 615 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 09:51 - Dec 18 by felixstowe_jack

Funny killy never sees the irony of wanting independence from a democratic UK only to surrender it to the Undemocratic EU.
He never accepts that the UK, including Wales, democratically voted the leave the EU.
He also refuses the accept that 80% of the Welsh population don't want independence.


Bit like you really ….. championing taking back control (sic) for uk, but scared to death of Wales taking back control ?

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Is Europe turning ? on 17:36 - Dec 18 with 607 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 12:11 - Dec 17 by Boundy

Then you imo are wrong .I voted out not because of immigration but the fact that we were unable as a nation rule ourselves ,


You were duped and taken for a mug.

Blair said in 9 years as PM there was not a single decision that the EU forced on him.
So there is that.

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Is Europe turning ? on 17:47 - Dec 18 with 598 viewsSullutaCreturned

Is Europe turning ? on 17:36 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack

You were duped and taken for a mug.

Blair said in 9 years as PM there was not a single decision that the EU forced on him.
So there is that.


Because Blair never told any lies? Ask Hans Blix about Tony Blair and the truth. Ask many an Iraqi.
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Is Europe turning ? on 19:00 - Dec 18 with 570 viewsAnotherJohn

Is Europe turning ? on 17:36 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack

You were duped and taken for a mug.

Blair said in 9 years as PM there was not a single decision that the EU forced on him.
So there is that.


If we apply the Mandy Rice-Davies test, then Blair is not the one to ask. There are a few instances where EU membership forced the UK to do something it wasn't keen on doing. For example, the Factortame case involved an ECJ judgment that then led the UK courts to restrain and subsequently disapply an Act of Parliament. UK fishermen in particular were not happy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Factortame_Ltd)_v_Secretary_of_State_for_Transp
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Is Europe turning ? on 19:22 - Dec 18 with 537 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Is Europe turning ? on 17:36 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack

You were duped and taken for a mug.

Blair said in 9 years as PM there was not a single decision that the EU forced on him.
So there is that.


They are called EU directives. Meaning you are directed to do this. Not EU dothisifyoufeellikeitives.

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Is Europe turning ? on 19:25 - Dec 18 with 535 viewsGwyn737

Is Europe turning ? on 19:00 - Dec 18 by AnotherJohn

If we apply the Mandy Rice-Davies test, then Blair is not the one to ask. There are a few instances where EU membership forced the UK to do something it wasn't keen on doing. For example, the Factortame case involved an ECJ judgment that then led the UK courts to restrain and subsequently disapply an Act of Parliament. UK fishermen in particular were not happy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Factortame_Ltd)_v_Secretary_of_State_for_Transp


To be fair, the fishing industry certainly isn’t happy now.
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Is Europe turning ? on 20:06 - Dec 18 with 489 viewsSullutaCreturned

Is Europe turning ? on 19:25 - Dec 18 by Gwyn737

To be fair, the fishing industry certainly isn’t happy now.


And the first subject up when we try to renegotiate our position is the EU demanding concessions on fishing so they'll be even less happy.

Tony Blair has been the devil incarnate to Kilky, a Blue Labour PM but any port in a storm I guess.

You'd think the EU was the sunlit uplands Kilky dreams of but Europe faces persistent problems in areas such as biodiversity loss, resource use, climate change impacts and environmental risks to health and well-being. The continent continues to consume more resources and contribute more to environmental degradation than other world regions.

The EU has a rigid monetary policy and by far, the largest drawback of the euro is a single monetary policy that often does not fit local economic conditions. It is common for parts of the EU to be prospering, with high growth and low unemployment. In contrast, other areas suffer from prolonged economic downturns and high unemployment.

Europes energy supplies are in crisis thanks to Russia. There are other issues too so while nobody can feasibly claim brexit has been a massive success, not yet anyway, equally you'd have to be blinkered to think that all is rosy in the EU garden.
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Is Europe turning ? on 23:57 - Dec 18 with 417 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 20:06 - Dec 18 by SullutaCreturned

And the first subject up when we try to renegotiate our position is the EU demanding concessions on fishing so they'll be even less happy.

Tony Blair has been the devil incarnate to Kilky, a Blue Labour PM but any port in a storm I guess.

You'd think the EU was the sunlit uplands Kilky dreams of but Europe faces persistent problems in areas such as biodiversity loss, resource use, climate change impacts and environmental risks to health and well-being. The continent continues to consume more resources and contribute more to environmental degradation than other world regions.

The EU has a rigid monetary policy and by far, the largest drawback of the euro is a single monetary policy that often does not fit local economic conditions. It is common for parts of the EU to be prospering, with high growth and low unemployment. In contrast, other areas suffer from prolonged economic downturns and high unemployment.

Europes energy supplies are in crisis thanks to Russia. There are other issues too so while nobody can feasibly claim brexit has been a massive success, not yet anyway, equally you'd have to be blinkered to think that all is rosy in the EU garden.


Not so, Blair delivered peace in the north of Ireland and devolution to Scotland and Wales.

I believe him on the EU.
Nothing forced on the UK in nine years. Fact.

Farage and Johndon lied to people.

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Is Europe turning ? on 23:59 - Dec 18 with 415 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 19:22 - Dec 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth

They are called EU directives. Meaning you are directed to do this. Not EU dothisifyoufeellikeitives.


Nothing in 9 years.

Its made up bollox.

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Is Europe turning ? on 00:01 - Dec 19 with 411 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 20:06 - Dec 18 by SullutaCreturned

And the first subject up when we try to renegotiate our position is the EU demanding concessions on fishing so they'll be even less happy.

Tony Blair has been the devil incarnate to Kilky, a Blue Labour PM but any port in a storm I guess.

You'd think the EU was the sunlit uplands Kilky dreams of but Europe faces persistent problems in areas such as biodiversity loss, resource use, climate change impacts and environmental risks to health and well-being. The continent continues to consume more resources and contribute more to environmental degradation than other world regions.

The EU has a rigid monetary policy and by far, the largest drawback of the euro is a single monetary policy that often does not fit local economic conditions. It is common for parts of the EU to be prospering, with high growth and low unemployment. In contrast, other areas suffer from prolonged economic downturns and high unemployment.

Europes energy supplies are in crisis thanks to Russia. There are other issues too so while nobody can feasibly claim brexit has been a massive success, not yet anyway, equally you'd have to be blinkered to think that all is rosy in the EU garden.


Sounds just like London.

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Is Europe turning ? on 08:26 - Dec 19 with 373 viewsAnotherJohn

Is Europe turning ? on 19:25 - Dec 18 by Gwyn737

To be fair, the fishing industry certainly isn’t happy now.


The significance of this case was that it was the first one where the UK had to disapply an Act of Parliament because of a ECJ judgement, so in a way the fishing aspect was incidental. The case was also interesting because it led to HMG having to pay out £55 million to reach a settlement in follow-up litigation.
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Is Europe turning ? on 08:33 - Dec 19 with 371 viewsAnotherJohn

Is Europe turning ? on 23:57 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack

Not so, Blair delivered peace in the north of Ireland and devolution to Scotland and Wales.

I believe him on the EU.
Nothing forced on the UK in nine years. Fact.

Farage and Johndon lied to people.


"Nothing forced on the UK in nine years. Fact."

You wouldn't get far in my line old son. We actually have to make out a case as to why things we claim to be facts have that status.
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Is Europe turning ? on 10:05 - Dec 19 with 330 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Is Europe turning ? on 08:33 - Dec 19 by AnotherJohn

"Nothing forced on the UK in nine years. Fact."

You wouldn't get far in my line old son. We actually have to make out a case as to why things we claim to be facts have that status.


Tony Blair said it therefore it must be fact.

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Is Europe turning ? on 10:52 - Dec 19 with 292 viewsAnotherJohn

Is Europe turning ? on 10:05 - Dec 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth

Tony Blair said it therefore it must be fact.


Weapons of mass destruction and DOP (Disappearing Object Phenomenon) come to mind.
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Is Europe turning ? on 12:32 - Dec 19 with 252 viewsBoundy

Is Europe turning ? on 17:36 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack

You were duped and taken for a mug.

Blair said in 9 years as PM there was not a single decision that the EU forced on him.
So there is that.


There we are then , yet another mistruth , you forget the years before and after but then again what else would we expect ."Some types of EU legislation such as Regulations and Decisions, are directly applicable as law in EU Member States. This meant that when the UK was a Member State these types of legislation applied automatically in the UK, under section 2(1) of the European Communities Act 1972 (c. 68), without any further action required by the UK." then again Blair lied about WMD so a little lie like the one he told you is easily believed by the gullible .

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:21 - Dec 19 with 218 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Is Europe turning ? on 12:32 - Dec 19 by Boundy

There we are then , yet another mistruth , you forget the years before and after but then again what else would we expect ."Some types of EU legislation such as Regulations and Decisions, are directly applicable as law in EU Member States. This meant that when the UK was a Member State these types of legislation applied automatically in the UK, under section 2(1) of the European Communities Act 1972 (c. 68), without any further action required by the UK." then again Blair lied about WMD so a little lie like the one he told you is easily believed by the gullible .


Not to mention the fact that for most of Blair’s premiership he had best buds Neil Kinnock and the Prince of darkness himself Peter mandelson sitting in the eu commission.

Mr Blair had fingers in every pie. Allegedly of course.

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Is Europe turning ? on 16:44 - Dec 19 with 145 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

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