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That being said I'm suspicious of what people at the club actually mean when they repeatedly imply Smyth needs development. I would love to hear someone explain where they see him and where he's lacking.
To me his game is all instinct and quick wits and natural talent (like that lovely goal v Sheff Wed) that work the same way against opposition of any level, and these are all sorts of unteachable intangibles that fundamentally you either embrace or stifle. Same way Austin was a mediocre ~footballer~ (the way modern managers want everyone on the pitch including the keeper to be a midfielder) but a quite brilliant elemental striker. Are we looking to refine his game because we appreciate it or trying to change it because we can't see the wood for the trees? It appears it's up to whoever manages him on loan to figure it out for us.
And now looking like he's off to Wycome on loan. Good move for his progression, he's shown little to show he's ready for the Championship yet.
Agreed, he needs games and experience and then maybe he can add consistency to that great but raw talent.
I think the professional coaches who see him every day, have a much better grasp of what he has, what he needs and finding a way to attempt to get it, than any of us fans.
Firstly due to the player he is this seem odd to get rid of him, he is quick, direct, can play in multiple positions and if you don't want to start him he'd be a really useful sub especially away from home to play on the break. January is a long time away and even if we don't want him to start a season he could easily break into the side in one of the 26 games we have before the next window when we can recall him.
More importantly it's a mad way to go about things with what the club needs in terms of developing players and selling them on. Of the current squad bar Luongo we really need one of Smyth, Eze or Bright to excel and be sold next summer but we're loaning one of them out already and building a team around loan players again. I really don't get what they are trying to do anymore. The club seems to lack direction since Holloway left.
Firstly due to the player he is this seem odd to get rid of him, he is quick, direct, can play in multiple positions and if you don't want to start him he'd be a really useful sub especially away from home to play on the break. January is a long time away and even if we don't want him to start a season he could easily break into the side in one of the 26 games we have before the next window when we can recall him.
More importantly it's a mad way to go about things with what the club needs in terms of developing players and selling them on. Of the current squad bar Luongo we really need one of Smyth, Eze or Bright to excel and be sold next summer but we're loaning one of them out already and building a team around loan players again. I really don't get what they are trying to do anymore. The club seems to lack direction since Holloway left.
But.... it seems that BOS, Shodipo, Eze, Chair and maybe others are ahead of him in the pecking order...so he is not likely to develop if he is not getting games.
He can't have had time to judge him in such a short space of time. Same goes for Goss who is going as well I read. I really don't know anymore. I could understand this if we were mid table premiership. At present we're gonna struggle to stay up in the championship.
But.... it seems that BOS, Shodipo, Eze, Chair and maybe others are ahead of him in the pecking order...so he is not likely to develop if he is not getting games.
Eze and Chair play in different positions to him so doubt they make a difference.
Well in a 4231 aren't they all competing for positions in the three and maybe Scowen is added to that now if he is playing further forward?
If he had played pre season and just didn't do very well i could understand it but 2 games in bright and Shodipo have done very little, we have no other options out wide unless we play people out of position. Of course we can and probably will buy people but we have a good player, good attitude, right age on our books and we're not using him. Thats not good enough imo
At some point the club are going to have to stop talking about developing our own players and actually do it
If he had played pre season and just didn't do very well i could understand it but 2 games in bright and Shodipo have done very little, we have no other options out wide unless we play people out of position. Of course we can and probably will buy people but we have a good player, good attitude, right age on our books and we're not using him. Thats not good enough imo
At some point the club are going to have to stop talking about developing our own players and actually do it
Well I'm not going to disagree with those points, however as things are with Warburton, I assume, not thinking he is ready, then it is probably best for all that he goes and gets some games. I don't think his last loan was consistently great, so may be this time he can do his thing more regularly and come back a better player. If he is outstanding we can bring him back in January.
I've read he has two years left with us and we may have an option for a further year, so I hope it can work for him this season.
But.... it seems that BOS, Shodipo, Eze, Chair and maybe others are ahead of him in the pecking order...so he is not likely to develop if he is not getting games.
Yes and if we’re going to be playing wing back system then having a glut of wingers perhaps isn’t the best thing. TBH going on Tuesday nights game, Manning seems to be our most effective wide player atm. Wallace still to come in etc.
Firstly due to the player he is this seem odd to get rid of him, he is quick, direct, can play in multiple positions and if you don't want to start him he'd be a really useful sub especially away from home to play on the break. January is a long time away and even if we don't want him to start a season he could easily break into the side in one of the 26 games we have before the next window when we can recall him.
More importantly it's a mad way to go about things with what the club needs in terms of developing players and selling them on. Of the current squad bar Luongo we really need one of Smyth, Eze or Bright to excel and be sold next summer but we're loaning one of them out already and building a team around loan players again. I really don't get what they are trying to do anymore. The club seems to lack direction since Holloway left.
Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
In that vein I would be interested to know how many of the signings have come via Penrice and his team.
Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
In that vein I would be interested to know how many of the signings have come via Penrice and his team.
How much of the transfer budget is going on loans
in essence we are paying to stand still aiming for 21st or above and will rinse and repeat this same scenario next year...
hoping some of warbos permanent signings will be sellable - defence and keeper will be getting plenty of opportunity to show their skills as we have no strikers
Seems strange to me. One of the only players we have who could come off the bench and scare the opposition. I wouldn't want to face him as a defender with tired legs. Warburton must be an excellent coach as we've got rid of our long ball option smith and now getting rid of our pace outlet option.
And to think Peterborough made us a offer for him and now we are sending him out on loan and after this season he only has a year on his contract.
Not sure that Holloway kept playing him....from the 17th February till the end of the season there were 15 games and he was on the bench for 8, not in the squad for 1 and made 6 starts, playing the full ninety minutes on just 3 occasions.
He wasn't consistently effective either with one goal and one assist in this spell to be added to the one goal he got on his very good debut. He followed his debut with 90 mins in the FA cup 3rd round defeat to MK Dons, then I think he picked up an injury which kept him out of the squad for five games.
Don't come on here letting facts get in the way of the fantasy that we have a world beater in our ranks, if only we would play him.
Hope he gets plenty of game time at Wycombe and develops further. He's got a three year contract as mentioned so you'd hope this is all with a view to us getting the most from him in a QPR shirt in the future.
It's funny though with footballers, the less they play the more amazing they become!
Seems strange to me. One of the only players we have who could come off the bench and scare the opposition. I wouldn't want to face him as a defender with tired legs. Warburton must be an excellent coach as we've got rid of our long ball option smith and now getting rid of our pace outlet option.
With all due respect, that pace bit is just nonsense
Don't come on here letting facts get in the way of the fantasy that we have a world beater in our ranks, if only we would play him.
Who said we have a world beater?
We have a promising kid who we could use and who we have just given a long contract to but he will be spending at least the first 12 months of that contract playing for someone else whilst we pay for short term fixes to replace him. It once again goes against everything the club have talked about doing,
I'll hold on going full nuclear until after the transfer window but it all feels very similar to last summer at the moment
We have a promising kid who we could use and who we have just given a long contract to but he will be spending at least the first 12 months of that contract playing for someone else whilst we pay for short term fixes to replace him. It once again goes against everything the club have talked about doing,
I'll hold on going full nuclear until after the transfer window but it all feels very similar to last summer at the moment
Yeh, I feel this way too.
And as I said in the piece around the Dominic Ball transfer, we're very quickly working ourselves into quite the corner should we do our usual thing or getting rid of this manager in 8-12 months. This is going to be a Warburton team, full of his players, for his very particular way of playing the game from front to back and left to right the way we're going, with 13 new arrivals rumoured now, Matt Smith flogged, little Smyth loaned, ball playing centre backs signed and so on.
I can just hear whoever replaces him talking about the need for more physical presence and height up front, more power at the back, two or three transfer windows to get it right, players kicking their heels in the background waiting for contracts to run down and so on.
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