| England implode at Edgbaston 20:54 - Jun 23 with 4212 views | quickpassrotter |
Typical - theirs to win and they completely throw it away. I wonder what's in some of their heads at times. Shocking. |  | | |  |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 21:00 - Jun 23 with 4199 views | Hooparoo |
You'll still win the Ashes though - in a canter. Haven't found one person here who thinks we can win. |  |
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| England implode at Edgbaston on 21:10 - Jun 23 with 4175 views | quickpassrotter |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 21:00 - Jun 23 by Hooparoo |
You'll still win the Ashes though - in a canter. Haven't found one person here who thinks we can win. |
England are so cock sure about winning the Ashes - I think that the Aussies just might surprise a few over here. England need to get rid of the arrogance around this upcoming Ashes series quickly. I know ODI's and Tests are different but I think that today's defeat does not bode well for the Ashes series. At least Peterson cruised to a 177 not out on his return today for Surrey. | | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 09:52 - Jun 24 with 4020 views | Antti_Heinola |
20 runs from 16 balls should have been a doddle! Played so well up until that point.
I don't think the Enland players are arrogant about the Aussies (who've just sacked Mickey Arthur!) - I think pundits are. This is Cook's first Ashes as captain - there's no way he or Flower will be over-confident. But I agree Australia are not that bad. It'll be much closer than pundits are saying. |  |
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| England implode at Edgbaston on 10:01 - Jun 24 with 4011 views | ElHoop |
There's not much to connect a 20 over game played by 50 over players on a wet day in Birmingham with an Ashes series against Australia. We bowl better than the Aussies, we bat better than the Aussies, we are a better team unit than the Aussies and that's why we'll win, nothing at all to do with being arrogant. |  | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 10:06 - Jun 24 with 4002 views | sdm1508 |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 10:01 - Jun 24 by ElHoop |
There's not much to connect a 20 over game played by 50 over players on a wet day in Birmingham with an Ashes series against Australia. We bowl better than the Aussies, we bat better than the Aussies, we are a better team unit than the Aussies and that's why we'll win, nothing at all to do with being arrogant. |
Who does Pietersen replace though? I hope Ian Bell gets dropped. He always seems to get a off the hook because he plays 'nice looking' shots. The problem is though he always seems to get himself in and then gets out stupidly. Although yesterday was a 20-20 game, he did it again. Took to long to get going, used a lot of deliveries up and then got out. They will probably keep Bell in the side, so I would move Root to open with Cook (he is an opener with his county and it was those performances that got him in the side) have Trott at 3, KP at 4 |  | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 10:07 - Jun 24 with 4001 views | ElHoop |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 10:06 - Jun 24 by sdm1508 |
Who does Pietersen replace though? I hope Ian Bell gets dropped. He always seems to get a off the hook because he plays 'nice looking' shots. The problem is though he always seems to get himself in and then gets out stupidly. Although yesterday was a 20-20 game, he did it again. Took to long to get going, used a lot of deliveries up and then got out. They will probably keep Bell in the side, so I would move Root to open with Cook (he is an opener with his county and it was those performances that got him in the side) have Trott at 3, KP at 4 |
I think that the third umpire got Bell out yesterday. | | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 11:25 - Jun 24 with 3974 views | swisscottage |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 10:06 - Jun 24 by sdm1508 |
Who does Pietersen replace though? I hope Ian Bell gets dropped. He always seems to get a off the hook because he plays 'nice looking' shots. The problem is though he always seems to get himself in and then gets out stupidly. Although yesterday was a 20-20 game, he did it again. Took to long to get going, used a lot of deliveries up and then got out. They will probably keep Bell in the side, so I would move Root to open with Cook (he is an opener with his county and it was those performances that got him in the side) have Trott at 3, KP at 4 |
I dont' think you can judge Bell's worth as a test batsman by the more recent ODI records good or bad opening in ODIs is completely different to coming in at number5 in tests. Granted he hasn't had the greatest last 12 months and he also doesn't have the greatest test record against the Aussies(ave36), but his overall test record of over 5.5k runs at an average of 45.5 indicates he more than a player who plays 'nice looking shots'.
His century in India helped ensure the series win with a draw in that match, and he's not a player that should be dropped yet especially not if its to give Compton more chances. Quality test batsmen, which he certainly is, don't grow on trees.
For me Compton has struggled badly. Root should be moved up to open. Root a genuine opener and one of the most natural young batsmen I have seen come through the English ranks in years. He looks like he belongs in test cricket and has quickly bedded into the England setup in all forms of the game. The same cannot be said of Compton.
So the only change needed is to move Root up to open and give KP his spot back letting Bell come in at number 5. | | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 13:43 - Jun 24 with 3923 views | R_from_afar |
I don't think they "imploded" or "threw it away". They were behind the rate for a long time but Bopara and Morgan clawed England back into it. They still needed to score at a fair old rate, though, on a turning wicket, against very decent spinners playing for the tournament's best team, with a very wet outfield, when both of them got out.
As for 20 in 16, against quality bowlers, that is no cake walk.
I think India got the win they deserved. Of course, I wanted us to win but I think it is fairer to say India won it than that we blew it. It's not easy for lower order batsmen to come in at the very death, on a turning pitch, and immediately score at more than a run a ball.
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| England implode at Edgbaston on 14:37 - Jun 24 with 3893 views | Jeff |
My starting line up for the ashes, fitness dependant:
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan/Bopara
Prior
Swann
Broad
Finn
Anderson |  |
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| England implode at Edgbaston on 14:40 - Jun 24 with 3890 views | BlackCrowe |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 14:37 - Jun 24 by Jeff |
My starting line up for the ashes, fitness dependant:
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan/Bopara
Prior
Swann
Broad
Finn
Anderson |
Based on that line-up I'd have Bairstow in for Morgan/Bopara.
Root opening is a still a big big gamble though but one i'd love to see pay off. |  |
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| England implode at Edgbaston on 14:42 - Jun 24 with 3887 views | themodfather |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 14:40 - Jun 24 by BlackCrowe |
Based on that line-up I'd have Bairstow in for Morgan/Bopara.
Root opening is a still a big big gamble though but one i'd love to see pay off. |
when will england learn to use their powerplay properly?
bopara and morgan were "in" and dallied...when wickets fell ( some naively) it was no use with powerplay.
strange how india dislike review but it saved them here! | | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 14:58 - Jun 24 with 3876 views | toboboly |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 14:37 - Jun 24 by Jeff |
My starting line up for the ashes, fitness dependant:
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan/Bopara
Prior
Swann
Broad
Finn
Anderson |
Morgan/Bopara? Never an ashes selection in a million years. Frankly I would drop Morgan from all forms of the game.
Compton should get another few tests to prove himself. |  |
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| England implode at Edgbaston on 15:03 - Jun 24 with 3875 views | daveB |
i think the ashes will be very close this summer, England tend to start slowly and I'm not sure about Compton as an opener.
Yesterday was frustrating but the pressure got to England, to be fair India were the best side across the two weeks so deserved it |  | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 16:39 - Jun 24 with 3865 views | swisscottage |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 15:03 - Jun 24 by daveB |
i think the ashes will be very close this summer, England tend to start slowly and I'm not sure about Compton as an opener.
Yesterday was frustrating but the pressure got to England, to be fair India were the best side across the two weeks so deserved it |
I'm tempted to give Bopara another last chance ahead of Bairstow. He's frustrated me as much as the next man over the last few years but he's an intelligent, talented, cricketer and would be coming into the side in form of the back of some good performances in the ODIs.
And with only 4 bowlers, he gives Cook another option along with Root, to give the front line bowlers a break between 70 and 80 overs before the second new ball.
Other than that I would most certainly have Bairstow in ahead of Morgan, and in fact I believe he would have been a much more consistent option as WC/batsman than Butler in the ODIs, who with the exception of his wonderful 47 against NZ, has proved somewhat hit and miss literally. | | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 18:56 - Jun 24 with 3835 views | ElHoop |
I wouldn't pick Bopara or Morgan for the Ashes series, other than as backup. Wouldn't pick Compton either.
I'd go for
Cook
Trott
Bell
KP
Root
Bairstow
Prior
Swann
Broad
Finn
Anderson
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| England implode at Edgbaston on 20:45 - Jun 24 with 3812 views | derbyhoop |
Neither Bopara nor Morgan have ever convinced that they are Test cricketers. I think Compton is another good County batsman (see Hick, Ramprakash) who cannot make the step up. But until Root is ready to open (not yet) we ought to persist. Lyth, Gale, Bairstow and Rashid are all making a case to be considered. And I'm not even a Yorkshireman,
Cook and Compton, Trott, Pietersen, Root and Bell to start with. |  |
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| England implode at Edgbaston on 21:09 - Jun 24 with 3799 views | daveB |
looks like root is going to be the opener | | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 21:21 - Jun 24 with 3788 views | Hoopstar |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 18:56 - Jun 24 by ElHoop |
I wouldn't pick Bopara or Morgan for the Ashes series, other than as backup. Wouldn't pick Compton either.
I'd go for
Cook
Trott
Bell
KP
Root
Bairstow
Prior
Swann
Broad
Finn
Anderson
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Almost agree but
Cook
Root (What I wouldn't give for him to make that position his own. Him and Cookie for the next 8 years would be bliss!)
Trott (A brilliant No.3, Mr. Dependable)
KP (What can you say? Other stuff aside he's the man!)
Bairstow
Bell (him or Bairstow could swap. Bell is borderline for me. Good average but rarely hits the big scores you need to save matches. More prone to getting out in the twenties then the single digits hence helping the average)
Prior (my favourite player)
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Finn |  | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 21:30 - Jun 24 with 3781 views | MrSheen |
Why not five bowlers and Prior at 6? Anderson, Broad, Finn, Swann and Bresnan/Tredwell? Panesar, Onions, Tremlett, Shahzad, Meaker in reserve. |  | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 22:34 - Jun 24 with 3766 views | Hoopstar |
None of that. We'll keep Onions at Durham thank you muchly! | | | |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 22:42 - Jun 24 with 3760 views | ElHoop |
| England implode at Edgbaston on 21:21 - Jun 24 by Hoopstar |
Almost agree but
Cook
Root (What I wouldn't give for him to make that position his own. Him and Cookie for the next 8 years would be bliss!)
Trott (A brilliant No.3, Mr. Dependable)
KP (What can you say? Other stuff aside he's the man!)
Bairstow
Bell (him or Bairstow could swap. Bell is borderline for me. Good average but rarely hits the big scores you need to save matches. More prone to getting out in the twenties then the single digits hence helping the average)
Prior (my favourite player)
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Finn |
I prefer Root down the order for now and at 3 or 4 in the longer term. Hes a proper player in the making. Trott should be able to open, but I suspect that they'll go for your order. | | | |
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