| Mrs Thatcher 12:52 - Apr 8 with 21976 views | BartRowou |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:08 - Apr 8 with 1887 views | isitme |
| Mrs Thatcher on 18:49 - Apr 8 by dalenumber2 |
Well I wouldn't wish death on anyone but were you born when Thatcher was destroying the lives of many good working people? I was at uni at the time of the miners' strike and lived with the daughter of one such miner - I will never forget the absolute misery and suffering she caused.
She always put profit before people. Brutal and callous is what she was in my opinion. |
Yes I was alive under Thatcher.
Coal mining was in decline before Thatcher came into power and mines were closing during the Labour Administrations in the 1970s. The mines became inefficient to mine, something the trade unions did not help with. It was something that was going to happen eventually as we had to reach deeper and more expensive streams of coal. Decline in this area of the economy was inevitable, even if Labour remained in power. Callaghan's period of rule in the late 70's didn't exactly leave the country in the best of states.
I agree that their should have been greater planning about what was going to happen after the decline of the mines, with more training etc and financial incentives for the other businesses to set up in the area. The motor industry in the North East, especially in Sunderland which is one of the most productive factories in the world shows what can be done with management, staff and unions working together.
With Thatcher there is no middle ground, although I wonder what the reaction will be when Blair and/or Brown die? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:17 - Apr 8 with 1867 views | ArthurDaley |
| Mrs Thatcher on 16:59 - Apr 8 by sweetcorn |
Thatcher's passing reminds me of when Jimmy Savile died. All the miners are celebrating. |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:18 - Apr 8 with 1860 views | isitme |
That is a cartoon from Private Eye from a few month ago. | | | |
| Mrs Thatcher on 19:20 - Apr 8 with 1854 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Mrs Thatcher on 15:51 - Apr 8 by SuddenLad |
Anyone actually 'rejoicing' at the death of a former Prime Minister (of whatever persuasion) is sick in the head. Their opinion isn't worth a carrot. |
Bit of an 80s music question. From which 80s anti-Tory song is the line...."and dangle jobs like a donkey's carrot?" [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:22 - Apr 8 with 1843 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Mrs Thatcher on 19:08 - Apr 8 by isitme |
Yes I was alive under Thatcher.
Coal mining was in decline before Thatcher came into power and mines were closing during the Labour Administrations in the 1970s. The mines became inefficient to mine, something the trade unions did not help with. It was something that was going to happen eventually as we had to reach deeper and more expensive streams of coal. Decline in this area of the economy was inevitable, even if Labour remained in power. Callaghan's period of rule in the late 70's didn't exactly leave the country in the best of states.
I agree that their should have been greater planning about what was going to happen after the decline of the mines, with more training etc and financial incentives for the other businesses to set up in the area. The motor industry in the North East, especially in Sunderland which is one of the most productive factories in the world shows what can be done with management, staff and unions working together.
With Thatcher there is no middle ground, although I wonder what the reaction will be when Blair and/or Brown die? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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And the policy of monetarism began under the Callaghan government. Pink monetarism as it was called. | |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:26 - Apr 8 with 1826 views | isitme |
| Mrs Thatcher on 19:22 - Apr 8 by BigDaveMyCock |
And the policy of monetarism began under the Callaghan government. Pink monetarism as it was called. |
Due to the conditions of the 1976 IMF bailout, which at that time was the largest bailout ever given to a country.
Spending beyond your means catches up to you eventually as Cyprus saw the other week. | | | |
| Mrs Thatcher on 19:34 - Apr 8 with 1809 views | SalwaDale |
| Mrs Thatcher on 19:08 - Apr 8 by isitme |
Yes I was alive under Thatcher.
Coal mining was in decline before Thatcher came into power and mines were closing during the Labour Administrations in the 1970s. The mines became inefficient to mine, something the trade unions did not help with. It was something that was going to happen eventually as we had to reach deeper and more expensive streams of coal. Decline in this area of the economy was inevitable, even if Labour remained in power. Callaghan's period of rule in the late 70's didn't exactly leave the country in the best of states.
I agree that their should have been greater planning about what was going to happen after the decline of the mines, with more training etc and financial incentives for the other businesses to set up in the area. The motor industry in the North East, especially in Sunderland which is one of the most productive factories in the world shows what can be done with management, staff and unions working together.
With Thatcher there is no middle ground, although I wonder what the reaction will be when Blair and/or Brown die? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Think I am the only person who does actually seem to sit on the fence as regards opinion to Mrs Thatcher.
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:40 - Apr 8 with 1789 views | zxcvbnm |
good riddance I say |  |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:41 - Apr 8 with 1784 views | judd |
| Mrs Thatcher on 19:20 - Apr 8 by BigDaveMyCock |
Bit of an 80s music question. From which 80s anti-Tory song is the line...."and dangle jobs like a donkey's carrot?" [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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It were a Style Council ditty, the title of witch erm which evades me. |  |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:42 - Apr 8 with 1778 views | SalwaDale |
| Mrs Thatcher on 19:41 - Apr 8 by judd |
It were a Style Council ditty, the title of witch erm which evades me. |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 19:58 - Apr 8 with 1754 views | D_Alien |
Since I'm adding to this thread after most of the key points have been set out, I'm going to keep it simple.
She was voted into power as prime minister three times. Before her first election victory, the United Kingdom was in such a state of decline that most political commentators thought it was terminal.
The services and benefits that our fellow countrymen enjoy now would not have been possible without her determination to turn the economy round from the dying industrial legacy of the 19th and early 20th centuries, into one which was able to provide an unparalleled standard of living for the vast majority of its citizens. Yes, and that includes the poor, who would be infinitely poorer but for her policies and her steadfastness in the face of entrenched opposition.
She also helped to make the world a safer place by her determination that the western powers should hold firm against the Eastern Bloc. It worked. In 1989, the walls came tumbling down.
Is there anything left to say? OK, what she achieved can't be expressed so simply, but anyone alive in this country today should be eternally grateful that we can afford an NHS and billions of pounds worth of state benefits, because without her, we would'nt now be in a position to afford them.
RIP Maggie.
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:00 - Apr 8 with 1750 views | dalenumber2 |
Well it cannot be denied that Thatcher involved herself in incredibly consequential acts that affected people all over the world. She played a key role in bringing about the first Gulf War and also used her influence to publicly advocate for the 2003 attack on Iraq. She believed Nelson Mandela and his ANC to be "terrorists", something years later David Cameron admitted was wrong. She was also a friend and supporter of the likes of Augusto Pinochet, Saddam Hussein and Indonesian dictator General Suharto. She said he was one of her "very best and most valuable friends".
As Seumas Milne said "Across Britain Thatcher is still hated for the damage she inflicted — and for her political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown."
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:01 - Apr 8 with 1742 views | SalwaDale |
| Mrs Thatcher on 19:58 - Apr 8 by D_Alien |
Since I'm adding to this thread after most of the key points have been set out, I'm going to keep it simple.
She was voted into power as prime minister three times. Before her first election victory, the United Kingdom was in such a state of decline that most political commentators thought it was terminal.
The services and benefits that our fellow countrymen enjoy now would not have been possible without her determination to turn the economy round from the dying industrial legacy of the 19th and early 20th centuries, into one which was able to provide an unparalleled standard of living for the vast majority of its citizens. Yes, and that includes the poor, who would be infinitely poorer but for her policies and her steadfastness in the face of entrenched opposition.
She also helped to make the world a safer place by her determination that the western powers should hold firm against the Eastern Bloc. It worked. In 1989, the walls came tumbling down.
Is there anything left to say? OK, what she achieved can't be expressed so simply, but anyone alive in this country today should be eternally grateful that we can afford an NHS and billions of pounds worth of state benefits, because without her, we would'nt now be in a position to afford them.
RIP Maggie.
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Rather selective memory there. Your points are probably valid but you've missed out a lot of the bad stuff. | |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:01 - Apr 8 with 1741 views | D_Alien |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:00 - Apr 8 by dalenumber2 |
Well it cannot be denied that Thatcher involved herself in incredibly consequential acts that affected people all over the world. She played a key role in bringing about the first Gulf War and also used her influence to publicly advocate for the 2003 attack on Iraq. She believed Nelson Mandela and his ANC to be "terrorists", something years later David Cameron admitted was wrong. She was also a friend and supporter of the likes of Augusto Pinochet, Saddam Hussein and Indonesian dictator General Suharto. She said he was one of her "very best and most valuable friends".
As Seumas Milne said "Across Britain Thatcher is still hated for the damage she inflicted — and for her political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown."
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Instead of received opinion, here's some facts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22069896 | |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:02 - Apr 8 with 1735 views | D_Alien |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:01 - Apr 8 by SalwaDale |
Rather selective memory there. Your points are probably valid but you've missed out a lot of the bad stuff. |
No I haven't. You're missing the key issue, that we simply couldn't afford what we can now afford if she hadn't undertaken the task of transforming our economy, against the tide of opinion that it couldn't be done. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:06 - Apr 8 with 1717 views | SalwaDale |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:02 - Apr 8 by D_Alien |
No I haven't. You're missing the key issue, that we simply couldn't afford what we can now afford if she hadn't undertaken the task of transforming our economy, against the tide of opinion that it couldn't be done. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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We'll disagree on that then, even though I do agree on much of what you said.
Edit - My above statement was done before you're clarification. I pretty much agree with your statement but to ignore some of the damage she did to society (not that society existed) can't be overlooked when judging her legacy. I do get your point. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:15 - Apr 8 with 1700 views | D_Alien |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:06 - Apr 8 by SalwaDale |
We'll disagree on that then, even though I do agree on much of what you said.
Edit - My above statement was done before you're clarification. I pretty much agree with your statement but to ignore some of the damage she did to society (not that society existed) can't be overlooked when judging her legacy. I do get your point. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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And I get yours. It's often the case that someone who has a specific view of human nature (i.e. that individuals should be, wherever possible, self-reliant) will be misunderstood when speaking in the context of the ungovernable semi-socialist state that we were on the way to becoming following the Labour government's capitulation to the trade unions during the 1970's.
It's wasn't "society" that she was railing against, but the concept of society as one where the socialist model held sway above the freedom of the individual. | |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:17 - Apr 8 with 1688 views | judd |
Boom or bust economics, a deluded sense of world standing, a bloody nose for the mighty Argentina, Britain was seen simply as an American aircraft carrier moored permanently off the coast of Europe. A lot of "what we have" could have been achieved with a far less extremist ideology. Britain isn't Great, wasn't Great then and never will be again. That is what no one can or will address and just get on with it.
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:29 - Apr 8 with 1671 views | Pops2 |
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F**kin witch, makes me sick hearing people talking bollocks about how great she was.
The only thing she didn't do as much as others was duty on spirits but that was only because Dennis was a piss head. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:33 - Apr 8 with 1662 views | D_Alien |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:29 - Apr 8 by Pops2 |
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F**kin witch, makes me sick hearing people talking bollocks about how great she was.
The only thing she didn't do as much as others was duty on spirits but that was only because Dennis was a piss head. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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And that comment shows the measure of you, as a "man" | |
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:37 - Apr 8 with 1647 views | Pops2 |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:33 - Apr 8 by D_Alien |
And that comment shows the measure of you, as a "man" |
It's all opinions young man. She was as crooked and bent as the current mob.
Fine she is dead but that does not wipe the slate clean for all the crap and privatisation she was at fault for.
I know you want to go down the "don't speak ill of the dead" route but my views on that woman are unchanged. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:48 - Apr 8 with 1628 views | YadHoDale |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:29 - Apr 8 by Pops2 |
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F**kin witch, makes me sick hearing people talking bollocks about how great she was.
The only thing she didn't do as much as others was duty on spirits but that was only because Dennis was a piss head. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Nail/head. +1.
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| Mrs Thatcher on 20:57 - Apr 8 with 1612 views | BigKindo |
I wish she was back wielding her handbag at the unelected bureaucracy of Brussels and banging the heads together of some of the leaders of countries within the E.U. |  | | |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:59 - Apr 8 with 1600 views | dribdrab |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:37 - Apr 8 by Pops2 |
It's all opinions young man. She was as crooked and bent as the current mob.
Fine she is dead but that does not wipe the slate clean for all the crap and privatisation she was at fault for.
I know you want to go down the "don't speak ill of the dead" route but my views on that woman are unchanged. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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And you would advocate a return to the state run monoliths of the seventies would you?
Nationalised industries deny competition.
As much as I despise our current crop of energy suppliers I believe our current energy supplies would be more expensive without any competition in the market place. | | | |
| Mrs Thatcher on 21:04 - Apr 8 with 1587 views | isitme |
| Mrs Thatcher on 20:59 - Apr 8 by dribdrab |
And you would advocate a return to the state run monoliths of the seventies would you?
Nationalised industries deny competition.
As much as I despise our current crop of energy suppliers I believe our current energy supplies would be more expensive without any competition in the market place. |
Remember that most of these companies are owned by banks and investment firms who rely on dividends to fill the pots of peoples' private pension schemes. What would happen to these if renationalisation happened? Also where would the Government find the money to buy back these businesses? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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