| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR 09:01 - Jun 24 with 5890 views | loftus_upper |
I know not all R's supporters live in H&F, but the government NHS cuts and reorganisation will mean that Accident & Emergency departments at Hammersmith Hospital and Charing Cross will close, leaving the borough with no A&E department. Please share and sign this petition.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/save-charing-cross.html
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 09:19 - Jun 24 with 4520 views | JonDoeman |
Does Jimmy Carr know? I'm sure he'll sign. |  |
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 09:28 - Jun 24 with 4493 views | Lblock |
Staunch Tory all my life.
Heard yesterday about this and Ealing A&E being closed.
Madness.
If it happens I shall not be voting Tory ever again |  |
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 13:10 - Jun 24 with 4407 views | Pacal_Votan |
Chemo unit in St Mary's closing down soon as well.
What did you expect? ....they're c@nts.
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 13:16 - Jun 24 with 4395 views | QPR1882 |
The Tory's have to find the money from somewhere so they can send members of the armed forces to go and die in some point less war the Americans say we have to fight. |  | | |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 14:02 - Jun 24 with 4339 views | JonDoeman |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 13:16 - Jun 24 by QPR1882 |
The Tory's have to find the money from somewhere so they can send members of the armed forces to go and die in some point less war the Americans say we have to fight. |
That was Phoney Blair and New FcKing Labour who started that, though I 'spose he was "Tory"  | |
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 14:18 - Jun 24 with 4318 views | Hayesender |
Absolutely discusting if this is allowed to happen, but being British I suppose we'll all just moan a bit and then do as we're told as usual.
Hey but not to worry, we've got the Olympics to look forward to |  |
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 14:39 - Jun 24 with 4298 views | TGRRRSSS |
Signed. |  | | |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:01 - Jun 24 with 4239 views | Trance_Trousers |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 13:10 - Jun 24 by Pacal_Votan |
Chemo unit in St Mary's closing down soon as well.
What did you expect? ....they're c@nts.
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Trying to put things right after the last Kunts
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:22 - Jun 24 with 4216 views | NathanNI |
I've been in there 3 times in the last 2 years. I'll be signing this now. |  | | |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:31 - Jun 24 with 4205 views | Aunt_Nelly |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 13:16 - Jun 24 by QPR1882 |
The Tory's have to find the money from somewhere so they can send members of the armed forces to go and die in some point less war the Americans say we have to fight. |
They got around that by decimating the armed forces and scrapping all the useful equipment like aircraft carriers and jets.
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:38 - Jun 24 with 4194 views | loftus_upper |
Thanks for all the support, I am born and bred in the bush and have used these services far more than I wish I had, but if they hadn't been there when my family needed them it would have been awful. | | | |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 07:05 - Jun 25 with 4119 views | HarrowRoadR |
Done. I don't live in H & F but have used both hospitals on occasions and prefer them to St. Mary's. |  | | |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 16:08 - Jun 26 with 4045 views | TacticalR |
@Pacal_Votan Chemo unit in St Mary's closing down soon as well.
What did you expect? ....they're c@nts.
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It is not the viciousness of the Tories that leads to them to make cuts, but the necessity of the cuts that makes the Tories vicious.
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@QPR1882 The Tory's have to find the money from somewhere so they can send members of the armed forces to go and die in some point less war the Americans say we have to fight.
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The question is...why does the British elite follow every twist and turn of American policy, when it is both expensive and unpopular?
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@JonDoeman That was Phoney Blair and New FcKing Labour who started that, though I 'spose he was "Tory"
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It's irrelevant whether Tony Blair is a Tory. The Labour Party has supported every war that Britain is involved in. War is the ultimate 'make or break' activity of the government, and the area where the overlap of the political parties is most obvious.
The problem for the Tories is that they can't offer anything positive. The freemarket policies of the Thatcherites were supposed to revive the economy to benefit the people, so that at least gave the Tories a sense of crusading zeal. Now the people must be sacrificed to benefit the economy. The inability of the Tories to offer anything positive is why I expect them to become increasingly dependent on hate campaigns. |  |
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:00 - Jun 26 with 4003 views | TacticalR |
It's an interesting point as to whether the freemarket really exists (or ever existed), although historically state expenditure was not such a significant portion of the economy as it is today.
The rise of the nations of East Asia, which has been heavily aided and directed by state intervention, is certainly not the classical freemarket capitalism of the past. In Korea state intervention was carried out under military dictatorship and had no association with socialism, as it does in Britain.
In a good book that came out a few years ago, Korean economist Ha-joon Chang argued that the free market is a fiction
He shows that even countries like the US, which preach the 'free trade' mantra, and have reduced trade tariffs since WW2, find other ways of subsidising their industries:
"Moreover, even when it shifted to freer (if not absolutely free) trade, the US government promoted key industries by another means, namely, public funding of R&D. Between the 1950s and the mid-1990s, US federal government funding accounted for 50-70% of the country’s total R&D funding, which is far above the figure of around 20%, found in such 'government-led' countries as Japan and Korea. Without federal government funding for R&D, the US would not have been able to maintain its technological lead over the rest of the world in key industries like computers, semiconductors, life sciences, the internet and aerospace."
Perhaps in Britain it is simply a question of rhetoric. Callaghan abandonned Keynesianism in the late 1970s, before Thatcher came into office. Thatcher, despite her tirades against the state, wasn't significantly able to reduce state expenditure. The liberalisation of the financial industry, begun under Thatcher, continued under New Labour, which seemed to have even more blind faith in 'the market' than Thatcher. All parties supported the bailout of the banks. I suppose my point is that whatever their rhetoric, all parties try and make capitalism 'work', and if that means handouts to capitalist businesses via PFI yesterday, and closing hospitals today, then so be it. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:23 - Jun 26 with 3974 views | Aunt_Nelly |
I think you're confused with South London PFI debts.
These proposed cuts are part of Andrew Lansley’s new Commissioning Boards where they intend to merge services in H&F, RBK&C, Westminster and Hounslow.
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:29 - Jun 26 with 3965 views | Gloucs_R |
There is an alternative....we could all vote ...
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:36 - Jun 26 with 3954 views | TacticalR |
At one point a few years ago the BNP and Gordon Brown were using the same slogan: 'British jobs for British workers'. | |
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:37 - Jun 26 with 3949 views | Gloucs_R |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:36 - Jun 26 by TacticalR |
At one point a few years ago the BNP and Gordon Brown were using the same slogan: 'British jobs for British workers'. |
Labour or BNP supporters?
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:39 - Jun 26 with 3944 views | Aunt_Nelly |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 17:37 - Jun 26 by Gloucs_R |
Labour or BNP supporters?
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 22:24 - Jun 26 with 3890 views | TacticalR |
Doesn't your hire purchase/credit example point to the continuity of policy between parties?
PFI was introduced by John Major.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9356079/Explained-how-PFI-left-NHS-
I don't believe your very last point about people blaming the free market is true. Quite the opposite in fact. The current economic crisis is always explained by factors *external* to capitalism, such as the greed of bankers. That is why, even though there is an economic crisis there is no anti-capitalist movement. Everybody wants the economy to work (it's not working, but everybody wants it to work). Even in Greece people are angry at politicians before they are angry at the market. For what could be wrong, in Adam Smith's phrase, with 'the propensity to truck, barter, and exchange one thing for another?'. Occupy Wall Street demonstrators are not against capitalism, only speculators and bankers (Wall Street). Neither is UK Uncut, which simply wants rich people to pay their taxes.
But, I am beginning to wonder what this free market of yours is?
Is it something that has previously existed in Britain? If so, when did it stop existing?
If it previously existed and was successful why did it cease to exist?
If it's something that's never existed before, but that's going to exist in the future, will it be brought about from the minds and imagination of enlightened persons such as yourself? | |
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 23:06 - Jun 26 with 3872 views | Toast_R |
Boom and Bust. That's always been the way for generations.
The difference is during the last Boom every c*nt that should have know better got well greedy.
It'll take longer to recover this time but it will and it will happen again and again.
As a politician I guess you just hope the bust don't fall on your watch.
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 00:22 - Jun 27 with 3847 views | gobbles |
This isn't quite that straightforward as "they're closing our A&E".
Isn't the idea to make fewer big A&E units so they can cope better when under pressure, rather than more smaller units that are underused much of the time and then swamped at others.
A year or so go, I was ambulanced to hospital from Acton. Nearest hospital was Central mid, but their A&E has shut, next closest was Hammersmith, but their A&E was closed at night????
So it was Charing Cross or Ealing. I went to Charing Cross and I was one of 3 people in, and there seemed to be 1 doctor on duty, yet at other times I have been to A&E and I've queued for hours to be seen.
From what I read, there were going to be 5 big A&E units. Hillingdon, Northwick Park, Ealing or West Mid, Hammersmith or St Mary's Paddington, Charing Cross or Chelsea, the idea being that each would be better able to cope in the event of a big scale emergency.
In reality, it's 5 mins in an ambulance between Hammersmith Hospital and St mary's and same between Charing Cross and Chelsea. I have no idea if any of these changes will improve things, or make it worse, but surely the standard of care is the most important thing. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 10:38 - Jun 27 with 1661 views | Phildo |
In all areas of life the mantra of bigger is better has been dominant for a long time - tescos killed the high high street etc. If you are running hospitals it seems cheaper to have one big one than two little one as there are attractive initial savings. However the bigger model soon gets worn to the bone by attrition and soon starts to exhibit the problems the old one used to. I prefer the small myself however.....
Health is complicated by the fact that it is nothing like the service it used to be as the specialisms, machinery and cost have escalated out of all recognition. A+E practice has changed as they now want major traumas dealt with in big teams of specialists in different areas who poor over MRI scans - these cannot be provided in the smaller setting.
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 12:22 - Jun 27 with 1638 views | Aunt_Nelly |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 00:22 - Jun 27 by gobbles |
This isn't quite that straightforward as "they're closing our A&E".
Isn't the idea to make fewer big A&E units so they can cope better when under pressure, rather than more smaller units that are underused much of the time and then swamped at others.
A year or so go, I was ambulanced to hospital from Acton. Nearest hospital was Central mid, but their A&E has shut, next closest was Hammersmith, but their A&E was closed at night????
So it was Charing Cross or Ealing. I went to Charing Cross and I was one of 3 people in, and there seemed to be 1 doctor on duty, yet at other times I have been to A&E and I've queued for hours to be seen.
From what I read, there were going to be 5 big A&E units. Hillingdon, Northwick Park, Ealing or West Mid, Hammersmith or St Mary's Paddington, Charing Cross or Chelsea, the idea being that each would be better able to cope in the event of a big scale emergency.
In reality, it's 5 mins in an ambulance between Hammersmith Hospital and St mary's and same between Charing Cross and Chelsea. I have no idea if any of these changes will improve things, or make it worse, but surely the standard of care is the most important thing. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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"Isn't the idea to make fewer big A&E units so they can cope better when under pressure,"
Nope it's all about money.
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| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 15:09 - Jun 28 with 1603 views | gobbles |
| Hammersmith and Fulham A&E. Non QPR on 12:22 - Jun 27 by Aunt_Nelly |
"Isn't the idea to make fewer big A&E units so they can cope better when under pressure,"
Nope it's all about money.
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It's about how we can best afford the NHS with an ageing and every-growing population, while the country is up to its ears in debt. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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