| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! 16:55 - Jan 11 with 4933 views | numptydumpty |
Conceding six is depressing !!
Will it effect our decent recent league form...
Any squad that let's in six goals will be reeling...
They had much nearer to their full first eleven starting than than ourselves.
I will be so angry if this effects our momentum in the league....
Anyone think we can maintain our form in the league or does this setback have the potential to start a mini slump...
Come to the conclusion that this knock out competition should be banned !!!
God, I hate the fricking FA Cup !!!!!
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:42 - Jan 11 with 1349 views | WestonsuperR |
Big Marti fan but feel let down today. Making 6 changes when there was a really good chance of a win against a side badly out of form is unacceptable and contradicts Marti’s pre match press conference. This match is as just as important as the remaining leagues matches so found it a little disrespectful to the cup and the 4.5k away fans to play such a weakened team. To reiterate I’m a huge Marti fan but he shouldn’t avoid criticism when it is due. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:43 - Jan 11 with 1345 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:33 - Jan 11 by stainrods_elbow |
If I were a betting man, I'd lump on that we'll lose to Plymouth and Leicester beat whoever they're playing next time out.
Meanwhile, I'm still wondering what MC means when he talks of 'learning' from today. That Ashby, Madsen and (for some) Saito shouldn't be anywhere near starting berths? No shit, Sherlock! That six changes to a winning, cohesive team makes about as much sense as a chocolate teapot? Check! That to actually progress in the Cup means focussing all your best players on the task in hand, (Nardi, Smyth, Frey, Dunne, Morgan - who apparently knew he was getting a rest during his post-match interview after Luton) not dropping them to the bench and flinging one or two on when we've lost the game. You don't say?
Perhaps another clever poster could enlighten us on today's lesson if I'm wrong about everything once again. |
Your going to enjoy this week aren't you 😀 |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:45 - Jan 11 with 1336 views | JamesB1979 |
Well we lost 3-0 to Swansea and then had 3 excellent results. Main issues are 1) Madsen just doesn’t seem up to it and 2) who do we pick as centre halves and right back. Other than Dunne, who are the other 2 for Plymouth? | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:55 - Jan 11 with 1292 views | SteveB |
Personally, I'm bloody raging. 4500 fans, MC saying he's taking the Cup seriously and starts with that line up. Mugged 4500 fans right off. Start your strongest team, then, if we aren't good enough then take them off at 45/60 mins.
We have just had our arses handed to us. Conceding 6 rips the arse out of any squad. I'll be amazed if this has no knock on effect to the league campaign. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:59 - Jan 11 with 1286 views | essextaxiboy |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:41 - Jan 11 by GroveR |
Every manager we've had in the last 30yrs has made wholesale changes to the 3rd round starting 11 to rest first teamers/give squad players minutes/focus on the league and every manager we've had in the last 30yrs has looked an utter cùnt when we lose the subsequent league game. |
But year after year managers in the top two divisions still do it , some win the week after some don't, but knowing that they still do it .maybe there are other factors in addition to the following game ? |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 20:59 - Jan 11 with 1149 views | nix |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:15 - Jan 11 by ManinBlack |
Fair enough it was a much changed team today and Leicester actually produced Premiership finishing today not in keeping with their league displays.
Looking at the bigger picture I am troubled by the previous three away games. Against Bristol City and Norwich we created very little and we had little possession but escaped with a point. Against Swansea they took the chances we allowed them to have and it was all over in half an hour. It seems that now we are doing well at home we have lost our way on our travels with today being an example of giving away too many scoring chances ruthlessly dispatched. I might have known it was Leicester's biggest cup win in over 40 years.
I am hoping resting key players will mean a good result at Plymouth but we have been here many times before where we have sacrificed cup ties and then lost the next league game anyway. A defeat at Plymouth and then a long trek to Hull could see us slipping down the table if we lose that too. It is not the result today that worries me about Plymouth but the fact they have not won a league game since bonfire night. Sounds right up our street to change that... |
I honestly don't think it's just about Plymouth. If this match didn't fall right after Christmas I think he would have taken a different approach. The thiing is we are a very thin squad with injuries to key players already and the two players we can't afford to be injured are Dunne and Smyth. Smyth has looked out on his ar se recently and Jimmy has been pushed to the limit. Experience shows that's when they pick up injuries - as with Steve Cook.
Ideally we'd have Edwards starting with JCS/Paal on his left with Dunne on his right supported by Smyth. Marti was right to rest them because we can't afford to lose them for a six week muscle injury. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 21:13 - Jan 11 with 1127 views | Rangersw12 |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 20:59 - Jan 11 by nix |
I honestly don't think it's just about Plymouth. If this match didn't fall right after Christmas I think he would have taken a different approach. The thiing is we are a very thin squad with injuries to key players already and the two players we can't afford to be injured are Dunne and Smyth. Smyth has looked out on his ar se recently and Jimmy has been pushed to the limit. Experience shows that's when they pick up injuries - as with Steve Cook.
Ideally we'd have Edwards starting with JCS/Paal on his left with Dunne on his right supported by Smyth. Marti was right to rest them because we can't afford to lose them for a six week muscle injury. |
That's fine but then don't give it billy big bollox before the game saying your going to take it seriously.and talk about changing the culture of the club !! | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 21:22 - Jan 11 with 1097 views | FredManRave |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 21:13 - Jan 11 by Rangersw12 |
That's fine but then don't give it billy big bollox before the game saying your going to take it seriously.and talk about changing the culture of the club !! |
I've agreed with every post you've made tonight Rangersw12, mainly because Marti talked a good game (nobody asked him to do that, so it's on him) and then he didn't produce when push came to shove.
So, he set himself up for a fall, and team selection and then to a lesser degree, lack of changes mean that, imo they were hollow words.
It's, unfortunately, standard FA Cup fare now. I'd have hoped that Marti was better than that, so it's a downvote from me with regard to today, but I really don't think it will be a momentum changer. |  |
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 22:10 - Jan 11 with 1018 views | colinallcars |
It'll be more than interesting to see how the Plymouth game goes, it does seem that Marti got it horribly wrong.
But there again, he's a head coach who has done wonders with a beggarly squad of injury-wracked players and I'm a semi retired saddlemaker's bottom -knocker's clerk. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 22:21 - Jan 11 with 989 views | GroveR |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:59 - Jan 11 by essextaxiboy |
But year after year managers in the top two divisions still do it , some win the week after some don't, but knowing that they still do it .maybe there are other factors in addition to the following game ? |
Year after year some win the week after, some don't - QPR consistently don't. Even Warburton did it with a side I thought could have sneaked to a play-off final (and lost the following league match).
Maybe fair if you're playing Wednesday/Saturday/Tuesday but it rarely is. I'll be delighted to look like a bed-wetting twàt if we beat Plymouth comfortably next week but for all Marti's talk about changing mindsets, we're more prone to spin off into another 6 game losing streak than race up the table. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 22:27 - Jan 11 with 964 views | essextaxiboy |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 22:21 - Jan 11 by GroveR |
Year after year some win the week after, some don't - QPR consistently don't. Even Warburton did it with a side I thought could have sneaked to a play-off final (and lost the following league match).
Maybe fair if you're playing Wednesday/Saturday/Tuesday but it rarely is. I'll be delighted to look like a bed-wetting twàt if we beat Plymouth comfortably next week but for all Marti's talk about changing mindsets, we're more prone to spin off into another 6 game losing streak than race up the table. |
But it is , This was our 5th game in 17 days , a game every 3.5 days .
Morgan is 18 . | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 06:22 - Jan 12 with 772 views | StreathamRanger |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 19:41 - Jan 11 by GroveR |
Every manager we've had in the last 30yrs has made wholesale changes to the 3rd round starting 11 to rest first teamers/give squad players minutes/focus on the league and every manager we've had in the last 30yrs has looked an utter cùnt when we lose the subsequent league game. |
Had a quick look at results post resting players for third round. I was surprised to find that over the last 10 seasons we've won four or five, drawn a couple and lost three or four. We remember the losses more than the wins so we build this narrative that we always lose after resting players. It's not true. However, given the mixed nature of the results, you could say that resting players didn't make much difference to the next game. We'll never know. Clive called for a bit more balance in his new years message and maybe a little needed here. | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 07:46 - Jan 12 with 738 views | johnhoop |
I think that the re-introduction of Dunne, Morgan and Smyth will make a huge difference to our performance against Plymouth. | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 07:54 - Jan 12 with 710 views | nix |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 22:21 - Jan 11 by GroveR |
Year after year some win the week after, some don't - QPR consistently don't. Even Warburton did it with a side I thought could have sneaked to a play-off final (and lost the following league match).
Maybe fair if you're playing Wednesday/Saturday/Tuesday but it rarely is. I'll be delighted to look like a bed-wetting twàt if we beat Plymouth comfortably next week but for all Marti's talk about changing mindsets, we're more prone to spin off into another 6 game losing streak than race up the table. |
As I say, it's not just about the next match. Imagine losing Dunne, Frey and Smyth with say calf, hamstring and groin injuries for the next six weeks? He has all of the performance data and I'm pretty sure he or someone else pointed out that when their level drops, e.g. doing fewer runs per half than normal, that's when they pick up little injuries. Because it's a sign of overwork.
Smyth visibly looked at a lower performance level against Luton. And Dunne has played an awful lot of matches for a player with his physique who is playing often at right back and therefore having to do a lot of running. While Frey has had injury issues throughout his career which is why he's at LR and is just coming back from injury (and we've already lost our other senior striker).
The problem with round three of the Cup is the timing just after the really busy Christmas period. Unlike other clubs we didn't even have a week's break as we played on blooming Monday night.
So no you won't be proven right if Plymouth results in a loss because it isn't just about one match it's also about managing your squad with even the injuries we have. If we had Cook and Celar fit he probably could have rotated them over Christmas and played at least two more regulars. But they're not so I think people are being harsh on Marti and not seeing the bigger picture.
As for him not saying all that before the match, I wouldn't expect him to. I was surprised Leicester started their best players TBH. And we nearly pulled it off short of some individual errors and the bad luck of the pen. [Post edited 12 Jan 7:55]
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 07:54 - Jan 12 with 708 views | ozexile |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 07:46 - Jan 12 by johnhoop |
I think that the re-introduction of Dunne, Morgan and Smyth will make a huge difference to our performance against Plymouth. |
Plymouth who have their tails up with a new manager and having just beat Brentford. | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 08:01 - Jan 12 with 690 views | nix |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 07:54 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
Plymouth who have their tails up with a new manager and having just beat Brentford. |
That's the spirit! | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 08:36 - Jan 12 with 654 views | Rsole |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 07:54 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
Plymouth who have their tails up with a new manager and having just beat Brentford. |
The Janners have got one decent player that could be marked out of the game if we chose to do that.
Clearly we won’t take this approach but you could negate most of their goal threat that way. |  |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 08:43 - Jan 12 with 639 views | Rsole |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 08:36 - Jan 12 by Rsole |
The Janners have got one decent player that could be marked out of the game if we chose to do that.
Clearly we won’t take this approach but you could negate most of their goal threat that way. |
Watching Whittaker’s goal against Brentford, he started on the right wing and dribbled across most of the backline before scoring from the left side of the box.
Most of the defenders ‘handed him off’ (oooh-er) to the other in some form of backline, bukkake gang bang of sorts.
I hope they have our back four and Varane in particular watch that a couple of times in the game prep video. | |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 08:47 - Jan 12 with 611 views | GroveR |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 22:27 - Jan 11 by essextaxiboy |
But it is , This was our 5th game in 17 days , a game every 3.5 days .
Morgan is 18 . |
And if I was being petantic I could just as easily say between 7th and 17th January we play 1 game, a game every 10 days.
Morgan is being overplayed because the player who we spent money to bring in over the summer to play there isn't fit for purpose - which he proved again yesterday. That's on our shìt recruitment, not the FA cup. | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 08:54 - Jan 12 with 573 views | NorthantsHoop |
Two tough away games, can't really tell how we will do, have we changed our form to be a much stronger home side and gone all soft away - possibly. If I have to be honest I want us to be a strong home side again and keep momentum going that way. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 09:07 - Jan 12 with 533 views | GroveR |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 07:54 - Jan 12 by nix |
As I say, it's not just about the next match. Imagine losing Dunne, Frey and Smyth with say calf, hamstring and groin injuries for the next six weeks? He has all of the performance data and I'm pretty sure he or someone else pointed out that when their level drops, e.g. doing fewer runs per half than normal, that's when they pick up little injuries. Because it's a sign of overwork.
Smyth visibly looked at a lower performance level against Luton. And Dunne has played an awful lot of matches for a player with his physique who is playing often at right back and therefore having to do a lot of running. While Frey has had injury issues throughout his career which is why he's at LR and is just coming back from injury (and we've already lost our other senior striker).
The problem with round three of the Cup is the timing just after the really busy Christmas period. Unlike other clubs we didn't even have a week's break as we played on blooming Monday night.
So no you won't be proven right if Plymouth results in a loss because it isn't just about one match it's also about managing your squad with even the injuries we have. If we had Cook and Celar fit he probably could have rotated them over Christmas and played at least two more regulars. But they're not so I think people are being harsh on Marti and not seeing the bigger picture.
As for him not saying all that before the match, I wouldn't expect him to. I was surprised Leicester started their best players TBH. And we nearly pulled it off short of some individual errors and the bad luck of the pen. [Post edited 12 Jan 7:55]
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If you think I want us to lose to Plymouth to be "proven right" on a fans forum then I think you need a bit of perspective. | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 09:10 - Jan 12 with 524 views | gazza1 |
Who knows what effect that poor result will have on the Team going into the next match....this is where MC comes into play. I'm sure he will go through the match with his team and then the players to show the 'good, bad & ugly'.
No doubt, it was a bad result but most goals were basic errors from individuals so those players will need to be lifted. Plenty of positives from some of the players for a variety of reasons. Despite poor defending and individual mistakes there were 20 minutes whereby we were the far better team. TBH when I saw the Leicester team I thought it would be very tough indeed, near a possible a Premier Team selection. Whatever anybody thinks, including SE, it was a decent selection by MC and one that was best for the squad and needed for many reasons and capable of winning the game.
So, yes, very disappointing but what effect it will have on the players for the next match.....my view it will have very little effect, get a few good touches early doors and confidence will grow and most of the players will be looking forward and not back to the FA Cup game and the 6-2 defeat. [Post edited 12 Jan 9:12]
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 09:32 - Jan 12 with 496 views | lassel |
Absolutely zero impact. As with everyone else I have fond memories of the FA Cup but nobody within football gives two shits anymore.
The older lads will have gone straight from the training ground to meet the Mrs for an expensive dinner the younger lads straight to a club and today they’ll have forgotten about it already. | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 09:41 - Jan 12 with 453 views | nix |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 09:07 - Jan 12 by GroveR |
If you think I want us to lose to Plymouth to be "proven right" on a fans forum then I think you need a bit of perspective. |
I didn't say you wanted us to lose in order to be proved right. That's your mistaken inference. | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 10:36 - Jan 12 with 387 views | GroveR |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 09:41 - Jan 12 by nix |
I didn't say you wanted us to lose in order to be proved right. That's your mistaken inference. |
I didn't say you did.
Boring this, isn't it? | | | |
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