| Swansea city centre 08:47 - May 20 with 27212 views | blaenaugwentjack |
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| Swansea city centre on 22:57 - May 22 with 1366 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea city centre on 18:31 - May 22 by builthjack |
Which will go first, Scotland or Northern Ireland?
Wales will follow.
Within 20 years. |
Sinn Fein has a mandate in the GFA so i think thats first up now.
A Border Poll.
It has an international dimension that will stop Westmonster trying to deny the vote.
Scotland will be next.
The more time passes from 2014 then it dilutes the once a generation argument that Westmonster wants to deploy to deny the SNP and the Scottish people a second vote.
Sturgeon police issues feels like a BritNat hit job, or where are the charges ?
Cymru will be third.
If we get a 7 or 8 percent jump for each of the above outcomes, then wales will be over the 50% level.
It seems impossible until its done. |  |
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| Swansea city centre on 23:02 - May 22 with 1357 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea city centre on 19:53 - May 22 by cockett_jack |
It really is bonkers in light of the opposition to independence shown on here! It must just wind them up deeply as it goes against the whole aspect of what they believe/want. |
We can cancel elections in Wales - and instead just ask Boundy, Felix, Cock, and the lads on here.
Seems legit …. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 06:12 - May 23 with 1320 views | Togg |
| Swansea city centre on 22:57 - May 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Sinn Fein has a mandate in the GFA so i think thats first up now.
A Border Poll.
It has an international dimension that will stop Westmonster trying to deny the vote.
Scotland will be next.
The more time passes from 2014 then it dilutes the once a generation argument that Westmonster wants to deploy to deny the SNP and the Scottish people a second vote.
Sturgeon police issues feels like a BritNat hit job, or where are the charges ?
Cymru will be third.
If we get a 7 or 8 percent jump for each of the above outcomes, then wales will be over the 50% level.
It seems impossible until its done. |
Okay keep dreaming of your nirvana because in 20 years time your obdurate viewpoint will remain just that.
' Swansea is an indie town' ( when many were bussed in ) just has to be the most stupidest statement in the forum's history! | | | |
| Swansea city centre on 07:26 - May 23 with 1303 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Swansea city centre on 22:46 - May 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Its the will of the people.
Threats will not work. |
The IRA /Sinn Fein have been threatening people for the last 100 years as well of course of resorting to bullying, intimidation , violence and of course murder.
The Republican parties got 183 councillors and the Unionist got 186 councillors so not the overwhelming victory the IRA/SIN Fein have claimed.
Not sure why you are polluting a forum on a peacefull march in Swansea with terrorist in NI. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 07:45 - May 23 with 1294 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea city centre on 17:45 - May 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Being an inclusive modern outwardly looking peoples movement is beyond his comprehension.
He thinks like a Brit Nat and assumes we all think like him. 🇬🇧
We dont need enemies.
He does. |
What?
This is really a sad read to behold.
People like you have no idea | |
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| Swansea city centre on 07:50 - May 23 with 1293 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea city centre on 07:26 - May 23 by felixstowe_jack |
The IRA /Sinn Fein have been threatening people for the last 100 years as well of course of resorting to bullying, intimidation , violence and of course murder.
The Republican parties got 183 councillors and the Unionist got 186 councillors so not the overwhelming victory the IRA/SIN Fein have claimed.
Not sure why you are polluting a forum on a peacefull march in Swansea with terrorist in NI. |
It’s because of the glory of ((part) independence born out of the blood of many. And this is lauded to this day .
A filthy murderous organised crime unit,denied in public but deep down much loved .
A unit who slaughtered our people
All this in the name of independence
Is that what we need Killy? Blood on the streets.?
Modern? You highlight matters from 600 years ago . | |
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| Swansea city centre on 08:27 - May 23 with 1271 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea city centre on 07:26 - May 23 by felixstowe_jack |
The IRA /Sinn Fein have been threatening people for the last 100 years as well of course of resorting to bullying, intimidation , violence and of course murder.
The Republican parties got 183 councillors and the Unionist got 186 councillors so not the overwhelming victory the IRA/SIN Fein have claimed.
Not sure why you are polluting a forum on a peacefull march in Swansea with terrorist in NI. |
Builth asked a question and i answered it.
Not sure why you fail to understand how this Forum works.
Anyway i hope that helps you. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 08:34 - May 23 with 1268 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea city centre on 07:26 - May 23 by felixstowe_jack |
The IRA /Sinn Fein have been threatening people for the last 100 years as well of course of resorting to bullying, intimidation , violence and of course murder.
The Republican parties got 183 councillors and the Unionist got 186 councillors so not the overwhelming victory the IRA/SIN Fein have claimed.
Not sure why you are polluting a forum on a peacefull march in Swansea with terrorist in NI. |
Stop burying your head in the sand.
A new united Ireland is emerging.
The people have spoken.
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| Swansea city centre on 10:51 - May 23 with 1252 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Swansea city centre on 08:34 - May 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Stop burying your head in the sand.
A new united Ireland is emerging.
The people have spoken.
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No sure anyone would want to live in a state governed by the IRA.
Can you stick to the Swansea thread and not push your biased views. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 12:55 - May 23 with 1228 views | SgorioFruit |
It is a toss up between a possible unified Ireland and Scotland, who will become fully independent first?
Wales will follow in good time.
It is no longer a question of if but a question of when.
Fe Godwn Ni Eto |  |
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| Swansea city centre on 13:04 - May 23 with 1231 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea city centre on 21:00 - May 22 by Togg |
Freedom of movement is so important. This to me has been a real downside of Brexit. So agree with no hard borders. |
When you travel abroad,the effects of Brexit aren’t positive really. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 15:59 - May 23 with 1202 views | builthjack |
| Swansea city centre on 12:55 - May 23 by SgorioFruit |
It is a toss up between a possible unified Ireland and Scotland, who will become fully independent first?
Wales will follow in good time.
It is no longer a question of if but a question of when.
Fe Godwn Ni Eto |
Liverpool after Wales, or after Cornwall. |  |
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| Swansea city centre on 16:23 - May 23 with 1185 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea city centre on 15:59 - May 23 by builthjack |
Liverpool after Wales, or after Cornwall. |
Great question.
Did you forget Cumbria ?
Kernow may pip Liverpool …. Tough call …. 🤠| |
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| Swansea city centre on 18:46 - May 23 with 1161 views | johnlangy |
A couple of points.
When people like me have made the argument in the past that the finances in an Indy Wales would be far better than people imagine many responders asked why, if that was the case, have Plaid not carried out an investigation into the economy as it would be and published the numbers.
Then Plaid did just that. The investigation was carried out by Professor John Doyle of Dublin University.
And the same people who had asked that the report be done just dismissed the findings. They made no argument as to why they dismissed the report. They didn't even have to read the report. There was an easy to follow youtube video created explaining the numbers. And not one person came back and said that they had watched the video and then provided an argument against what it showed. Not one.
Then there's the regular argument about Civil Service jobs that would be lost. Depts like DVLA, HMRC, the Passport Office are regularly referenced. Many people argue that almost all of those jobs would go because those people would end up in an English version of DVLA for example. But they never refer to the jobs being done in all the departments based in England that are being done on behalf of Wales. Those jobs would come back to Wales in place of the jobs lost.
As far as I have been able to work out there are about 30,000 Civil Service jobs in Wales. If you do a simple calculation and say 5% of the Civil Service as a whole are doing jobs for Wales that would equate to 25,000 jobs. It's hardly scientific but it gives you an idea that even if jobs are lost they won't just all disappear as suggested.
On two occasions in other threads felix said that 100,000 government jobs would go and he referenced the same departments as above. I asked both times if he would explain where these 100,000 jobs are. He didn't answer either time.
So i'll ask again felix. Please explain. | | | |
| Swansea city centre on 18:55 - May 23 with 1155 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Swansea city centre on 17:34 - May 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Or the Brexit half-wits …. 🇬🇧
We had a vote, why have a second one ?
Its almost like in a democracy people can change their minds .. maybe as new facts emerge … ? |
As I keep saying when you bring that up, lets have the vote and include on the ballot the abolsihment of devolution and a full return to Westminster.
All options should be there. As you say, people can change their minds. | | | |
| Swansea city centre on 20:57 - May 23 with 1137 views | cockett_jack |
| Swansea city centre on 07:45 - May 23 by onehunglow |
What?
This is really a sad read to behold.
People like you have no idea |
Yeah I honestly have no idea what exactly the childish troll is trying to get at. It’s either ironic or just sad really because the divisiveness and small mindedness he is trying to accuse me of is exactly the behaviour on here he demonstrates towards anyone who dares disagree with him or not want independence for Wales. Very respectful and inclusive way of going about things. |  | | |
| Swansea city centre on 21:01 - May 23 with 1129 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea city centre on 20:57 - May 23 by cockett_jack |
Yeah I honestly have no idea what exactly the childish troll is trying to get at. It’s either ironic or just sad really because the divisiveness and small mindedness he is trying to accuse me of is exactly the behaviour on here he demonstrates towards anyone who dares disagree with him or not want independence for Wales. Very respectful and inclusive way of going about things. |
I had some good chums in Cockett | |
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| Swansea city centre on 21:09 - May 23 with 1129 views | cockett_jack |
| Swansea city centre on 18:46 - May 23 by johnlangy |
A couple of points.
When people like me have made the argument in the past that the finances in an Indy Wales would be far better than people imagine many responders asked why, if that was the case, have Plaid not carried out an investigation into the economy as it would be and published the numbers.
Then Plaid did just that. The investigation was carried out by Professor John Doyle of Dublin University.
And the same people who had asked that the report be done just dismissed the findings. They made no argument as to why they dismissed the report. They didn't even have to read the report. There was an easy to follow youtube video created explaining the numbers. And not one person came back and said that they had watched the video and then provided an argument against what it showed. Not one.
Then there's the regular argument about Civil Service jobs that would be lost. Depts like DVLA, HMRC, the Passport Office are regularly referenced. Many people argue that almost all of those jobs would go because those people would end up in an English version of DVLA for example. But they never refer to the jobs being done in all the departments based in England that are being done on behalf of Wales. Those jobs would come back to Wales in place of the jobs lost.
As far as I have been able to work out there are about 30,000 Civil Service jobs in Wales. If you do a simple calculation and say 5% of the Civil Service as a whole are doing jobs for Wales that would equate to 25,000 jobs. It's hardly scientific but it gives you an idea that even if jobs are lost they won't just all disappear as suggested.
On two occasions in other threads felix said that 100,000 government jobs would go and he referenced the same departments as above. I asked both times if he would explain where these 100,000 jobs are. He didn't answer either time.
So i'll ask again felix. Please explain. |
Surely the ratio though of civil service jobs (especially something like the DVLA) in Wales whereby a service is provided for people from England and Scotland is astronomically higher than the reverse. Surely the gulf in population difference would mean that’s the case. Happy to be pointed towards a proper assessment of that though if there is one. | | | |
| Swansea city centre on 21:11 - May 23 with 1125 views | builthjack |
| Swansea city centre on 18:46 - May 23 by johnlangy |
A couple of points.
When people like me have made the argument in the past that the finances in an Indy Wales would be far better than people imagine many responders asked why, if that was the case, have Plaid not carried out an investigation into the economy as it would be and published the numbers.
Then Plaid did just that. The investigation was carried out by Professor John Doyle of Dublin University.
And the same people who had asked that the report be done just dismissed the findings. They made no argument as to why they dismissed the report. They didn't even have to read the report. There was an easy to follow youtube video created explaining the numbers. And not one person came back and said that they had watched the video and then provided an argument against what it showed. Not one.
Then there's the regular argument about Civil Service jobs that would be lost. Depts like DVLA, HMRC, the Passport Office are regularly referenced. Many people argue that almost all of those jobs would go because those people would end up in an English version of DVLA for example. But they never refer to the jobs being done in all the departments based in England that are being done on behalf of Wales. Those jobs would come back to Wales in place of the jobs lost.
As far as I have been able to work out there are about 30,000 Civil Service jobs in Wales. If you do a simple calculation and say 5% of the Civil Service as a whole are doing jobs for Wales that would equate to 25,000 jobs. It's hardly scientific but it gives you an idea that even if jobs are lost they won't just all disappear as suggested.
On two occasions in other threads felix said that 100,000 government jobs would go and he referenced the same departments as above. I asked both times if he would explain where these 100,000 jobs are. He didn't answer either time.
So i'll ask again felix. Please explain. |
Excellent piece. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 21:45 - May 23 with 1098 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea city centre on 18:55 - May 23 by SullutaCreturned |
As I keep saying when you bring that up, lets have the vote and include on the ballot the abolsihment of devolution and a full return to Westminster.
All options should be there. As you say, people can change their minds. |
I am not in charge. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 21:52 - May 23 with 1095 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea city centre on 18:46 - May 23 by johnlangy |
A couple of points.
When people like me have made the argument in the past that the finances in an Indy Wales would be far better than people imagine many responders asked why, if that was the case, have Plaid not carried out an investigation into the economy as it would be and published the numbers.
Then Plaid did just that. The investigation was carried out by Professor John Doyle of Dublin University.
And the same people who had asked that the report be done just dismissed the findings. They made no argument as to why they dismissed the report. They didn't even have to read the report. There was an easy to follow youtube video created explaining the numbers. And not one person came back and said that they had watched the video and then provided an argument against what it showed. Not one.
Then there's the regular argument about Civil Service jobs that would be lost. Depts like DVLA, HMRC, the Passport Office are regularly referenced. Many people argue that almost all of those jobs would go because those people would end up in an English version of DVLA for example. But they never refer to the jobs being done in all the departments based in England that are being done on behalf of Wales. Those jobs would come back to Wales in place of the jobs lost.
As far as I have been able to work out there are about 30,000 Civil Service jobs in Wales. If you do a simple calculation and say 5% of the Civil Service as a whole are doing jobs for Wales that would equate to 25,000 jobs. It's hardly scientific but it gives you an idea that even if jobs are lost they won't just all disappear as suggested.
On two occasions in other threads felix said that 100,000 government jobs would go and he referenced the same departments as above. I asked both times if he would explain where these 100,000 jobs are. He didn't answer either time.
So i'll ask again felix. Please explain. |
Well said John.
There are none so blind as those who do not want to see.
Thanks to people like you, Swansea is now an Indy town. Well done. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 21:58 - May 23 with 1092 views | Togg |
| Swansea city centre on 21:09 - May 23 by cockett_jack |
Surely the ratio though of civil service jobs (especially something like the DVLA) in Wales whereby a service is provided for people from England and Scotland is astronomically higher than the reverse. Surely the gulf in population difference would mean that’s the case. Happy to be pointed towards a proper assessment of that though if there is one. |
Absolutely. If some intellectual writes a thesis it's their opinion which obviously is open to debate. It's their opinion only, which some may agree with, many will dispute.. I would say the ratio of DVLA job loses would be a phenomenal deficit. Hospitals , people coming from both sides of the border to work. Hard border , soft border. A load of conundrums.
As was pointed out by a civil servant on the other site. When Labour wins the next election support for the nationalists will fall. | | | |
| Swansea city centre on 22:07 - May 23 with 1078 views | Togg |
| Swansea city centre on 21:52 - May 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Well said John.
There are none so blind as those who do not want to see.
Thanks to people like you, Swansea is now an Indy town. Well done. |
It's not. It's a Labour voting town first and foremost. With a sprinkling of Conservativism. Talk about being blind. You're the most blinkered, not particularly bright poster on here. If it were a so called Indy town Plaid ( the party of independence) would be romping all the elections.
6000 marching. It's not particularly great is it. Although it was very colourful and there were some nice flags. | | | |
| Swansea city centre on 09:14 - May 24 with 1035 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea city centre on 22:07 - May 23 by Togg |
It's not. It's a Labour voting town first and foremost. With a sprinkling of Conservativism. Talk about being blind. You're the most blinkered, not particularly bright poster on here. If it were a so called Indy town Plaid ( the party of independence) would be romping all the elections.
6000 marching. It's not particularly great is it. Although it was very colourful and there were some nice flags. |
I recall the most industrialised ,Anglo parts of Swansea ,like Townhill,Penlan!portmead being not on entirely English speaking but highly indifferent to an independent Wales.
These people are street wise,smart and free from sentimental crap that we see with Indys. | |
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| Swansea city centre on 09:39 - May 24 with 1032 views | johnlangy |
| Swansea city centre on 21:09 - May 23 by cockett_jack |
Surely the ratio though of civil service jobs (especially something like the DVLA) in Wales whereby a service is provided for people from England and Scotland is astronomically higher than the reverse. Surely the gulf in population difference would mean that’s the case. Happy to be pointed towards a proper assessment of that though if there is one. |
What I mean cockett is that the Welsh population is 5% of the UK meaning that 95% is the population of the rest. So only about 200 jobs at DVLA (4000 employees there ?) would be doing Welsh stuff and the other 3,800 would perhaps end up in a different place in England or Scotland after indy. That's the likely outcome.
But that's 200 out of just the 4000 at DVLA. There are so many CS departments not based in Wales and a number of the people working there would be doing 'Welsh' work. And as the CS in total employs approaching 500,000 i've just done a simple calculation on population to arrive at 25,000.
As I said, it's not scientific but it gives an aproximation of numbers. | | | |
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