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Totally agree it’s an indictment on the people at the club who have run us into the ground to the extent that we have to do this. But, it’s the reality they’ve created. I’m sure if we had someone at the club capable of digging us out of this monumental hole in a more sustainable way we would go that way, but we clearly don’t.
edit: and to add, I think this myth that we were ever a development club can finally be laid to rest. We dropped lucky with one player. Apart from that we sold a few for a bit of a profit, and flushed way more than that down the toilet on a load of other cr@p. We weren’t a development club in the ‘good’ times, it was just part of the propaganda, there’s absolutely no reason for us to continue to pretend we’re one when our backs are firmly up against the wall. We need to do whatever is necessary to survive this season and hope that, finally, the owners, just for once, don’t totally fvck it up yet again.
[Post edited 1 Aug 2023 8:15]
Good points, historically QPR are not a development club we even in our good days really the 1980s tended to find players at a decent price and move them on for a profit. Where we did have development players that moved on and up the chain for decent profit can only think really of three Clive Allen and Paul Goddard and that was over 40 years ago, the other was Eze and we only picked him up later when others had dropped him during his younger years.
The last ginger midfielder we had was Sir Gary Waddock so I’m delighted with this signing, even if Jack is 93. I’m speaking as a ginge myself so no I’m not being racist.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
It sounds like I’m in the minority here, but I think this is an excellent signing.
IMO, Colback has always been class at this level. There were no signs his legs had gone the other season (like Johansen at the start of the season almost two years ago!).
He knows this league inside out. He’s a mouthy, scrappy fella. We need that.
Him and Field in central midfield suddenly looks pretty decent. I’m surprised we can afford him, even at his age. If it’s a 2 year deal, so be it.
As Gazza says (on here!) we are in deep sh*t with this playing squad. He is a starting quality central midfielder. Get him in. We need to stay up this year.
He might bully some performances out of one or two others as well.
My post just went AWOL , suffice to say you are not in a minority as I posted on the Summer Transfers thread yesterday, he's exactly the type of player we need.
The other factor, of course, is that we’re not an attractive proposition. Everyone knows we have no money, a weak squad, limited manager and are a decent bet for relegation. Anyone with other options is probably not going to choose us. Hence, I’m guessing why we have to offer two years. If ours was a one year offer and other Championship clubs offered the same, why would he come here?
Totally disagree, we are a championship side in London so one of the top 40 clubs in the land, yes we have current issues but the fact is there are and always will be more clubs below us ( unless we go completely bust). I like the signing, the reason being because I didn’t like him when I saw him play against us. Somehow despite the poor show we have to try and keep the faith. I look at the signings and better keeper, a bit of nastiness in midfield, Smyth a Duracell Bunny and young gun as Left Back cover ( Paal may be in midfield) and giving us genuine options. Fox is better than Dickie was last year ( sadly), just somehow need to get those tainted with last year’s disappointment on the bus. They need the 12th player more than ever
It is all about money........he has been offered the same job at another company.
No issues with the signing with the situation we find ourselves in. He could be very important allowing others to do the type of work they like to do & more importantly, able to do.
It’s one player though, Clive. An almost 34 year old. For 1 year’s impact (after this year, in that headroom you’re talking about). If he’s fitting within our FFP headroom this year, he’s not going to be impacting that headroom much next year, is?! Not unless he has a much bigger salary in year 2 of his deal, which would be unusual.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a survival bonus paid post 31st June in next season’s FFP headroom.
Either way, the headroom grows substantially next season. One player of this ilk will not eat into that headroom much.
And the headroom is irrelevant if we don’t stay up. Doesn’t matter in League 1. We have to stay up this year for this to matter.
If we can get Steve Cook in too, I would. Assuming they can’t get Forino.
Remember you need some experienced pros, who have played at a decent level to help the development of some of the younger ones. Colback might improve Dozzell or not let Willock/Richards get away with not trying. Cook might bring on Dunne.
Sometimes a couple of players like this can actually improve or help create sellable assets of your younger players.
Paying bonuses on the 31st June is a ruse which might just work.
If the rumour is true about us also being after Steve Cook, then surely these are the sort of players who can possibly kick the slackers into shape? Martin was obviously shocked at the poor attitude around the place, and these are the Derry/Hill types we've been lacking for a long while.
(No subject) (n/t) on 08:56 - Aug 1 by Blue_Castello
My post just went AWOL , suffice to say you are not in a minority as I posted on the Summer Transfers thread yesterday, he's exactly the type of player we need.
[Post edited 1 Aug 2023 9:07]
Agree with both of you , not an exciting signing but exactly what we need now
I agree, but one of the reasons we're in this shit (Conveniently forgetting youth development and recent transfer dealings), is because we spent today's money yesterday.
[Post edited 1 Aug 2023 8:03]
No argument there mate but we can't just leave it as is.
IF we can get a functioning side together it could actually help one or two transfers to happen.
e.g.none of us have any idea what's going on with Willock, but he's surely more likely to get a move showing a hint of form over the coming weeks. Playing in a team that has at least a slight clue may help with that.
What about Albert? How do you know Colback (or for that matter Bergovic) is fit and will play regularly? He's 34 and has barely played for a year. Notwithstanding that he has been a decent player at this level, as Northern says, it's just yet another example of the failure to implement our 'strategy' properly; a development club develops players - Brentford selling Raya for £40m while we repeatedly hand two-year contracts to thirtysomething players with no sell-on value because the young players we do sign (Dozzell) or bring through (Kakay) aren't good enough.
Whether you think Albert is good or not, Martin included, they are available to the manager to pick. As much as Johansen can pick a pass or Austin can be in the right place at the right time, they got to be on the pitch. I don’t know if colback or begovic can last a season, it is up to the medical and performance team to decide, the same that decided johansen and Austin just wouldn’t do it
Anyone know if he's been training with Forest pre-season, cause we're gonna need him up and running by Saturday?
He said in his interview he's been training by himself since last season's end. Reckons he's in good shape. From what Gareth said it didn't sound like he's ready to start at Watford but then he's not going to be talking truths about Saturday.
Two year contract for a player coming off a Premier league contract who will be 34 in October, who has played eleven games in the last year and hasn't trained with a team since April. "Just what we need." It's got to work for all involved.
Forest fans like him... One of many positive comments.
However, I still feel that it should have been a 1+1 contract
Played out of position all the season we got promoted and excelled.
Came into the squad when we were short on numbers at points last season in the premier league and honestly was a calm, comfortable presence in midfield. Was involved most heavily during our best spell of form.
Understand the concerns but no matter who we sign now there will be discontent because they will be too old , too young, inexperienced, injury prone, too slow, too much money …too ginger (I’m a ginger ..it’s just a joke😄).
But that’s why we are linked with them ! Because that’s all we can be linked with.
Understand Clive’s concern and agree mostly but obviously the penny has finally dropped somewhere along the line . We need experience and guile and unfortunately it’s going to have to cut a little into the budget . The alternative appears to be Dozzell and he was bought in to ‘look after the football’ as MW would say . Now whether he does that well enough in a footballing side is up for debate but what he definitely isn’t is a dogged aggressive ball winner and motivator . Dozzell is about as far from an Ainsworth player as can be . Which isn’t his fault …the club has run its business , in every aspect shambolically .
If the phrase ‘beggars can’t be choosers’ was ever relevant …it’s right now about this team.
Totally disagree, we are a championship side in London so one of the top 40 clubs in the land, yes we have current issues but the fact is there are and always will be more clubs below us ( unless we go completely bust). I like the signing, the reason being because I didn’t like him when I saw him play against us. Somehow despite the poor show we have to try and keep the faith. I look at the signings and better keeper, a bit of nastiness in midfield, Smyth a Duracell Bunny and young gun as Left Back cover ( Paal may be in midfield) and giving us genuine options. Fox is better than Dickie was last year ( sadly), just somehow need to get those tainted with last year’s disappointment on the bus. They need the 12th player more than ever
My original post referred to us being less attractive than other Championship sides. I fully accept that if he only had offers from League One sides, that puts a different complexion on things but, by most accounts, there were other Championship sides talking to him.
I'm in the camp that this is an excellent signing.
I don't know where in the book of 'being a development side' where that states you're forbidden from signing old warhorses on two or even three year contracts.
Historically bringing in experienced quality players towards the end of their career has often served us extremely well, and can anyone genuinely say Colback is going to hold up the development of any youth players on the fringe of the first team.
If anything he likely to bring something to the squad that will bring some of our fringe midfielders on.
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