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2 up front 10:03 - Dec 12 with 3091 views

As on several other threads our strikers seem to be getting quite a bit of flack for not being Wells and Hugill. Dykes is adjusting to this level, as is Bonne. Neither of the 'senior' strikers have much experience at this level. Kelman and Alfa have practically no experience at all, let alone in this division.

It is slightly alarming me that Warbs feels Dykes is ready to play a lone striker role, or Bonne. When we had Goddard and Allen they were paired up in an attacking team. They formed a very good bond quickly and that lack of experience was made up for by their raw talent and reliance on each other, We have to do the same here with these 4 strikers. Pair them up. Their confidence will grow as opposed to continuing to play them as lone strikers, because if we don't get the results their confidence will really drop.

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2 up front on 11:04 - Dec 12 with 2455 views

Rangersw12

I think we've looked awful every time we've played 2 strikers

Dykes is suited to the one up front role its just we're not utilising him as well as Scotland do as Scotland have runners who go past Dykes which we don't seem to do

2 up front on 11:37 - Dec 12 with 2417 views

nix

2 up front on 11:04 - Dec 12 by Rangersw12
I think we've looked awful every time we've played 2 strikers Dykes is suited to the one up front role its just we're not utilising him as well as Scotland do as Scotland have runners who go past Dykes which we don't seem to do

They also have players that run at the defence and move the ball quickly so that he's not always static with his back to goal.

I'd love so see us moving the ball quicker and players making themselves availabie.

2 up front on 11:43 - Dec 12 with 2402 views

kensalriser

2 up front on 11:04 - Dec 12 by Rangersw12
I think we've looked awful every time we've played 2 strikers Dykes is suited to the one up front role its just we're not utilising him as well as Scotland do as Scotland have runners who go past Dykes which we don't seem to do

In fairness, Scotland are probably better than QPR.

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2 up front on 11:45 - Dec 12 with 2398 views

rsonist

One up top is the norm in football today. One up top being stranded and struggling on scraps is not the norm in football today.

2 up front on 11:47 - Dec 12 with 2392 views

daveB

If you play 2 up front you either have to drop Bright and go 3-5-2 or drop Chair and go 4-4-2

2 up front on 11:55 - Dec 12 with 2349 views

londonscottish

2 up front on 11:43 - Dec 12 by kensalriser
In fairness, Scotland are probably better than QPR.

The current Scotland squad is far better than it's been for a long time. Fairly shit by European standards but way better than most of the squads over the last 20 years.

Dykes has Scott McTominay & Ryan Christie running in from behind him & overlapping & Ryan Fraser running off him. They're all constantly on the move and when it clicks it's hard to defend against.

QPR tend to slow down during build-up play. I think that's the big difference.

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2 up front on 11:56 - Dec 12 with 2344 views

WEAREAWFUL

2 up front on 11:47 - Dec 12 by daveB
If you play 2 up front you either have to drop Bright and go 3-5-2 or drop Chair and go 4-4-2

Correct. Drop bright

2 up front on 12:02 - Dec 12 with 2329 views

LythamR

bit if a tough comparison, if Dykes and Bonne turn out to have a quarter of the ability of Allen and Goddard I will be delighted, not to mention the comparative quality of the squads

I do think 2 up front could be beneficial though certainly at home

2 up front on 12:10 - Dec 12 with 2320 views

Rangersw12

2 up front on 11:43 - Dec 12 by kensalriser
In fairness, Scotland are probably better than QPR.

Which shows how far we've fallen !

2 up front on 14:53 - Dec 12 with 2196 views

johncharles

I’d like to see Chair pass the ball to the strikers whoever they are. Dykes especially . Adel was a selfish player but he put some delightful defence splitting balls through to the strikers. Chair doesn’t seem to want to give the ball to anyone ahead of him.
Tin hat on waiting for the “but that was a great goal he scored against Millwall” but as a team we need to score more goals.

Strong and stable my arse.

2 up front on 14:57 - Dec 12 with 2176 views

timcocking

Agreed, Dykes looks like he'd be twice the player with somebody nearby.

2 up front on 20:42 - Dec 12 with 2069 views

Hastings_Hoops

I appreciate that Kelman is young and inexperienced, but I’d be interested to see 90 mins of 442 with Kelman and Dykes up front together.

Dykes needs someone to run off of his flick-one and hold up play and Kelman strikes me as being precocious enough to have a go.

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2 up front on 20:53 - Dec 12 with 2022 views

paulparker

2 up front on 11:43 - Dec 12 by kensalriser
In fairness, Scotland are probably better than QPR.

Blimey we have turned to sh1t then

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

2 up front on 21:38 - Dec 12 with 1936 views

stainrods_elbow

2 up front on 11:47 - Dec 12 by daveB
If you play 2 up front you either have to drop Bright and go 3-5-2 or drop Chair and go 4-4-2

Why?

I'd consider (against popular advice) going 3 at the back, pushing Barbet out to LB, giving Kane a try further forward, and playing Chair in surely his best position as a 10 in the hole.

Dieng

Kakay Dickie/Masterson Barbet

Kane/Carroll Ball
BOS Willock
Chair
Dykes Kelman

The software's just concertina'd my pretty shape, but I guess it's a 3-4-1-2.

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2 up front on 22:23 - Dec 12 with 1877 views

daveB

2 up front on 21:38 - Dec 12 by stainrods_elbow
Why? I'd consider (against popular advice) going 3 at the back, pushing Barbet out to LB, giving Kane a try further forward, and playing Chair in surely his best position as a 10 in the hole. Dieng Kakay Dickie/Masterson Barbet Kane/Carroll Ball BOS Willock Chair Dykes Kelman The software's just concertina'd my pretty shape, but I guess it's a 3-4-1-2. [Post edited 12 Dec 2020 21:42]

so are Bos and Wilock playing as wing backs?

2 up front on 22:28 - Dec 12 with 1864 views

BrianMcCarthy

We don't have the midfield to cope with two up front. We're getting over-run as it is.

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2 up front on 22:57 - Dec 12 with 1809 views

distortR

2 up front on 22:28 - Dec 12 by BrianMcCarthy
We don't have the midfield to cope with two up front. We're getting over-run as it is.

We don't have the midfield full stop

2 up front on 23:16 - Dec 12 with 1770 views

NorthantsHoop

Having the joy of watching in the ground today, to me the main problem is in the centre of midfield, we don't have enough quality to cope and there is just a massive gap there, Caroll who was good in the first half, but as game went on he and Cameron were less effective. When we pump the ball up to Dykes he is totally isolated and has nothing much to lay off to. This game was heading for a 0-0, but Reading made a couple of changes like bringing on Olisi, who did strike that goal well,but we did back off him allowing him opportunity to strike. If Chair's shot had not hit post and gone in, sure that would have sealed the game. We concede easy goals, make hard work of scoring and both to me seems to affect players confidence and their heads drop too easily.

2 up front on 15:20 - Dec 13 with 1565 views

ManinBlack

As its QPR I am not totally sure we would have won if Chair had scored. Chances are we would have sat back and Reading would have woken up and attacked our fragile defence.

Might have got a draw though...

2 up front on 17:51 - Dec 13 with 1485 views

TGRRRSSS

2 up front on 11:47 - Dec 12 by daveB
If you play 2 up front you either have to drop Bright and go 3-5-2 or drop Chair and go 4-4-2

Not entirely sure you have to drop Bright, but frankly with his current attitude and the fact he's clearly marking time and not really doing very much at the moment, this may not be a bad idea.

If he thinks it's the way to a dream move to a PL side I reckon he's very much mistaken, but time will tell.

Certainly worth 2 up top to change things around and give support to our striker, were not exactly raining goals currently but we are conceding a fair few anyway

2 up front on 19:43 - Dec 13 with 1404 views

daveB

2 up front on 17:51 - Dec 13 by TGRRRSSS

I just don't see how 2 up front will solve all of our problems, if we had 2 really good strikers i might agree but we don't.

2 up front on 20:16 - Dec 13 with 1376 views

ParkRoyalR

2 up front on 19:43 - Dec 13 by daveB
I just don't see how 2 up front will solve all of our problems, if we had 2 really good strikers i might agree but we don't.

Surely Adomah has something to offer in a front two,

Still has enough pace, is skillful and decent with both feet, and has played well in a similar position against us in recent seasons, has to be worth a go.

2 up front on 20:17 - Dec 13 with 1373 views

TGRRRSSS

I think it's worth a look, not saying it's the catch all answer.

We're in a dog fight now, and BOS doesn't seem interested anyway

2 up front on 20:28 - Dec 13 with 1358 views

baz_qpr

Bottom line, not mobile enough in midfield to play 4-4-2 for 90 minutes , dont have the wingbacks to play 3-5-2

If we were to play 2 up top one of them would have to be BOS which I would not be averse to, but we would have to play one winger and one of carroll or chair tucked in other wise we would get torn apart

2 up front on 22:14 - Dec 13 with 1308 views

BrianMcCarthy

2 up front on 20:28 - Dec 13 by baz_qpr
Bottom line, not mobile enough in midfield to play 4-4-2 for 90 minutes , dont have the wingbacks to play 3-5-2 If we were to play 2 up top one of them would have to be BOS which I would not be averse to, but we would have to play one winger and one of carroll or chair tucked in other wise we would get torn apart

I think BOS has looked lost when played up front.

I'm not saying he couldn't be a forward, I'm not saying that, (I'm doing this in a Peter Cook voice for some reason), I've got nothing against him being a striker etc etc.

Four challenges there, though.

1) His finishing needs work
2) He doesn't look up to bring others into play
3) We have no time to coach this into him on the training ground (fixtures coming thick and fast etc)
4) Who provides the width?

4)

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