| Like I've said many times on 09:19 - Jan 23 with 1721 views | perchrockjack |
Clive.
Not my intention whatsoever.
As a poster, I was merely reflecting on the last (away) game in the flesh where we were destroyed out of sight.
It wasn't pretty and I was pretty angry and muttered all along the road to the pub to meet up . I exchanged words with some Liverpool fans en route being totally outnumbered as the Swans fans left in the other direction to the buses .
My point is , there are ways to avoid aggro but you have to be very street wise ,which I am. This poor bugger though seems to have been targeted because of his condition, either that or it was random. Both Bad.
Another point is this;cities with a "bad name" like Liverpool, for planet swan posters anyway, are places where you might expect it to happen but no this was in Swansea-my home city - so Ive kinda seen my arse over it. Simple.
Sometimes, there s more chance of being tw@atting by your fellow fans ;Ive seen many swansea fans smoking I toilets and challenged them which has led to unpleasant exchanges but I don't really give a feck as I remember Bradford City and why smokig was banned.
Bottom line is being able to defend yourself but cowards -real cowards- only sytrike at the vulnerable ad they live everywhere.
HERE ENDETH THE LESSON AND HAVE A GOOD DAY sIR |  |
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| Like I've said many times on 09:23 - Jan 23 with 1709 views | trampie |
There are irresponsible people on here, basically saying its ok to go off piste wearing colours after an away game.
An old man might get away with it, a female might get away with it but what about young adult males or male youths ?
Did the people that were attacked fit that profile ?
We are told by these irresponsible people that it is apparently ok to cross London on matchday wearing colours and walk down streets wearing away colours, that it is 2015 and not 1980.
Hello these people were attacked we dont know what happened, if all was as it seemed but assuming it was then this person/people were attacked wearing colours apparently after an away game in 2015.
Some people need to wake up to dangers out there and not give younger people bad advice.
The next think they will be saying its ok to go to Cardiff v Swansea wearing Swansea colours singing Swansea songs in the Ninian Park pub or something (is that place still open ?), some people need to wise up. [Post edited 23 Jan 2015 9:29]
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| Like I've said many times on 09:27 - Jan 23 with 1696 views | 3swan |
| Like I've said many times on 09:19 - Jan 23 by perchrockjack |
Clive.
Not my intention whatsoever.
As a poster, I was merely reflecting on the last (away) game in the flesh where we were destroyed out of sight.
It wasn't pretty and I was pretty angry and muttered all along the road to the pub to meet up . I exchanged words with some Liverpool fans en route being totally outnumbered as the Swans fans left in the other direction to the buses .
My point is , there are ways to avoid aggro but you have to be very street wise ,which I am. This poor bugger though seems to have been targeted because of his condition, either that or it was random. Both Bad.
Another point is this;cities with a "bad name" like Liverpool, for planet swan posters anyway, are places where you might expect it to happen but no this was in Swansea-my home city - so Ive kinda seen my arse over it. Simple.
Sometimes, there s more chance of being tw@atting by your fellow fans ;Ive seen many swansea fans smoking I toilets and challenged them which has led to unpleasant exchanges but I don't really give a feck as I remember Bradford City and why smokig was banned.
Bottom line is being able to defend yourself but cowards -real cowards- only sytrike at the vulnerable ad they live everywhere.
HERE ENDETH THE LESSON AND HAVE A GOOD DAY sIR |
Rich it was a general comment, just replying to your post.
As you say it's being a bit streetwise, maybe growing up through the bad times makes me notice some things that are still around today.
As far as more chance in bigger cities, yes there is as the bigger the crowd the bigger numbers in the small percentage that are looking for some trouble if they can find it (odds on their favour of course)
The comment about more chance from our own fans? I can partly see your point but if you have to be streetwise with other team fans then you also need to know, when to walk away from a few of our fans | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 10:01 - Jan 23 with 1634 views | Catullus |
| Like I've said many times on 09:27 - Jan 23 by 3swan |
Rich it was a general comment, just replying to your post.
As you say it's being a bit streetwise, maybe growing up through the bad times makes me notice some things that are still around today.
As far as more chance in bigger cities, yes there is as the bigger the crowd the bigger numbers in the small percentage that are looking for some trouble if they can find it (odds on their favour of course)
The comment about more chance from our own fans? I can partly see your point but if you have to be streetwise with other team fans then you also need to know, when to walk away from a few of our fans |
This is true. I have walked away from our own fans many times. I have seen trouble brewing and just left.
And I can't agree it is safe to go "off piste" as someone put it. I have been in London (and not had a problem) several times. But I went to QPR and some home fans got nasty, same at West Ham. Brentford is probably the friendliest place I've been. I've been there at least 5 times and never had an issue.
But I've only been to Scunthorpe twice and both times it could have kicked off. Bristol City, twice I've been there and not felt safe either time.
The bottom line is, you always have to be careful at away games. Don't get caught alone showing your colours. And don't show your colours in the first place until you're sure it's safe.
Just wandering around showing a Swans shirt or badge could easily end in trouble.
The other thing is, be careful intervening when Swans fans kick off. I nearly got a pasting at Cheltenham for telling our mob to cut it out. And I nearly got tvvatted outside the Railway for trying to stop a fight.
When someone's blood is up, they are unpredictable. Even someone you know. | |
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| Like I've said many times on 10:15 - Jan 23 with 1616 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Like I've said many times on 09:23 - Jan 23 by trampie |
There are irresponsible people on here, basically saying its ok to go off piste wearing colours after an away game.
An old man might get away with it, a female might get away with it but what about young adult males or male youths ?
Did the people that were attacked fit that profile ?
We are told by these irresponsible people that it is apparently ok to cross London on matchday wearing colours and walk down streets wearing away colours, that it is 2015 and not 1980.
Hello these people were attacked we dont know what happened, if all was as it seemed but assuming it was then this person/people were attacked wearing colours apparently after an away game in 2015.
Some people need to wake up to dangers out there and not give younger people bad advice.
The next think they will be saying its ok to go to Cardiff v Swansea wearing Swansea colours singing Swansea songs in the Ninian Park pub or something (is that place still open ?), some people need to wise up. [Post edited 23 Jan 2015 9:29]
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Sad as it's to say Cardiff and Swansea supporters will never drink in each others pubs because each others fans can't be trusted, I mean the idiots not the genuine fans.
Look when you played West Ham the other week there were hammers and Pompey fans in Cardiff before the game and no bother, wouldn't have happened years ago but it did. Not trying to point score, just stating a fact.
What happened with you was an isolated situation which if these lads are caught can be rectified. These people need to be caught as soon as possible so they can be dealt with, legally. | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 10:56 - Jan 23 with 1580 views | acejack3065 |
We were staying up in Liverpool for the game and we commuted on the trains and busses to the game, drank in the pubs, chatted with fans and had a great old time of it really. We were all wearing our swans gear and the only ugly part of the trip was the result.
I go to a few away games a year and we always wear our colours out and about to the game. The last time I've been at an away game and it's nearly kicked off was when we played Charlton away just after promotion and a few Millwall fans tried to have a go but even they left us too it.
If people act like it's all going to kick off then you create an atmosphere where it's easy for it too. |  | | |
| Like I've said many times on 11:45 - Jan 23 with 1546 views | trampie |
| Like I've said many times on 10:01 - Jan 23 by Catullus |
This is true. I have walked away from our own fans many times. I have seen trouble brewing and just left.
And I can't agree it is safe to go "off piste" as someone put it. I have been in London (and not had a problem) several times. But I went to QPR and some home fans got nasty, same at West Ham. Brentford is probably the friendliest place I've been. I've been there at least 5 times and never had an issue.
But I've only been to Scunthorpe twice and both times it could have kicked off. Bristol City, twice I've been there and not felt safe either time.
The bottom line is, you always have to be careful at away games. Don't get caught alone showing your colours. And don't show your colours in the first place until you're sure it's safe.
Just wandering around showing a Swans shirt or badge could easily end in trouble.
The other thing is, be careful intervening when Swans fans kick off. I nearly got a pasting at Cheltenham for telling our mob to cut it out. And I nearly got tvvatted outside the Railway for trying to stop a fight.
When someone's blood is up, they are unpredictable. Even someone you know. |
Talking of London on matchdays, [there are games and there are games, same applies all over the country] the last two major incidents of football hooliganism off the top of my head in this country both occurred fairly recently in London.
West Ham v Millwall 2009 and Chelsea v Cardiff the same season but into 2010.
To say its safe on matchdays in London [or anywhere else for that matter, although some places are far safer than other places] for away fans wearing colours is ill advised, the chances of problems depends what characters you meet and what games are on, games are categorised by the police taking things like the past history of both teams into consideration amongst other things.
CCTV did a lot to stop football hooliganism, off piste there might be no CCTV, people of certain experience and age should be on the case but youngsters are youngsters they are learning and developing life skills and need to be advised correctly if possible to look out for themselves and not put themselves in danger. [Post edited 23 Jan 2015 11:52]
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| Like I've said many times on 12:26 - Jan 23 with 1501 views | trampie |
| Like I've said many times on 12:06 - Jan 23 by ScoobyDoo |
I'm talking about present times mate, I know all about past times but we don't want to go back to that as it was common behaviour in them days.
Like our dealings up at Chelsea was a one off and luckily both sets of supporters were dealt with accordingly and nothing like that has happened since. Lets hope the culprits that inflicted what happened Saturday are dealt with in the same way.
I agree you have to be vigilante away from home however old you are but it is nowhere near as bad as it was in the days you're talking about. |
WHU v Wall and Chelsea v Kardiff were present times, 2009 and 2010.
Things are nowhere near as bad as they were but people still need to be careful and use their loaf's as this present incident being talked about highlights [if its all as it seems of course]. | |
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| Like I've said many times on 12:30 - Jan 23 with 1495 views | perchrockjack |
No problem, Clive. You re a smart act.
My point has been verified by other poster and it was you DO have to be careful but not assume that "bad" areas are THAT guaranteed as trouble. I been to Scunny too and they were backward- that s probably the fumes from the Steelworks there.
Liverpool is a weird case but its relatively trouble free football wise ,if not after dark city centre after a night on the pissse. Manutre games are different though and Everton Liverpool derbies can be bad for domestic strife . Liverpool Everton fans detest certain clubs and these are times to be vigilant. Incredibly, our club and fans are seen as good craic which is why there s no strife unless you invite it. If you do ,in Liverpool, they will accept it no question but be tidy and they re great fans of football.
There again, I might just put people off by arguing with myself in a public street
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| Like I've said many times on 12:34 - Jan 23 with 1488 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Like I've said many times on 12:26 - Jan 23 by trampie |
WHU v Wall and Chelsea v Kardiff were present times, 2009 and 2010.
Things are nowhere near as bad as they were but people still need to be careful and use their loaf's as this present incident being talked about highlights [if its all as it seems of course]. |
Look WH and Millwall is on a par as us and you, thank god for bubble trips as we both know that would go off if given the opportunity. I've explained the Chelsea game.
I agree you do have to be vigilante but I did 16 away games last season without a hint of trouble, didn't wear colours to WH and Chelsea but the others I did. | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 12:37 - Jan 23 with 1468 views | perchrockjack |
I haven't been to London for some time, mainly as I hate the place.
It is one place Id be wary off especially the east end with all those cheeky cocky jack the lad Kray wannabees around.
Not seen many bigger crap holes than Croydon or Tottenham | |
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| Like I've said many times on 12:37 - Jan 23 with 1467 views | trampie |
| Like I've said many times on 12:34 - Jan 23 by ScoobyDoo |
Look WH and Millwall is on a par as us and you, thank god for bubble trips as we both know that would go off if given the opportunity. I've explained the Chelsea game.
I agree you do have to be vigilante but I did 16 away games last season without a hint of trouble, didn't wear colours to WH and Chelsea but the others I did. |
On supporters buses is it ? | |
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| Like I've said many times on 12:39 - Jan 23 with 1457 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Like I've said many times on 12:37 - Jan 23 by trampie |
On supporters buses is it ? |
No butt i'm not connected to no supporters group. | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 12:41 - Jan 23 with 1450 views | trampie |
| Like I've said many times on 12:39 - Jan 23 by ScoobyDoo |
No butt i'm not connected to no supporters group. |
I thought certain games where 'bubble' games ? | |
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| Like I've said many times on 12:42 - Jan 23 with 1444 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Like I've said many times on 12:41 - Jan 23 by trampie |
I thought certain games where 'bubble' games ? |
Luckily I missed 'that' bubble game  | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 12:52 - Jan 23 with 1410 views | trampie |
| Like I've said many times on 12:49 - Jan 23 by ScoobyDoo |
You're game would not have been high category would it? In fact it would have one of the safest places to wear colours. Don't you think? |
Swim away dear boy, swim away, no colours at the Ammers or Chelski and no show at the Swans.  | |
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| Like I've said many times on 12:58 - Jan 23 with 1368 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Like I've said many times on 12:52 - Jan 23 by trampie |
Swim away dear boy, swim away, no colours at the Ammers or Chelski and no show at the Swans. |
Typical aint it, a thread that condemns violence then there's you that promotes it?
That saying that goes 'no sense, no feeling' just about sums you up.  | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 13:04 - Jan 23 with 1343 views | jacksfullaces |
always wear my swans jacket to away games, although wouldn't wear it around cardiff.
bottom line here I think is it says more about you than those you encounter at away trips if it leads to trouble.
if you go up, chat to locals, and keep your eyes and ears open, and back away from the troublemakers I don't see problems - have drunk in bars around manchester/liverpool/newcastle/london/wigan all in recent times with no bother. obviously if idiots do start acting up you walk away and don't go for the hero response.
autism might mean these signals/responses were avoided and not expected - very sad
surprised at you trampie - must be giving off all the wrong signals - start talking about fantasy football mun. | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 13:10 - Jan 23 with 1320 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Like I've said many times on 12:58 - Jan 23 by ScoobyDoo |
Typical aint it, a thread that condemns violence then there's you that promotes it?
That saying that goes 'no sense, no feeling' just about sums you up. |
It's more than obvious reading the comments on here, exactly why some people get into bother and others see no hint of trouble.
It's all to do with the attitude. If people are walking to a game and see opposing supporters 'looking at them', those that smile and say 'alright' and start having a chat will see no problems, those on the other hand that adopt the 'what are you looking at' attitude will see plenty.
I'm sure some still yearn for the 'good old days' and treat Danny Dyer as a role model rather than a complete prat. | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 13:15 - Jan 23 with 1306 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Like I've said many times on 13:10 - Jan 23 by londonlisa2001 |
It's more than obvious reading the comments on here, exactly why some people get into bother and others see no hint of trouble.
It's all to do with the attitude. If people are walking to a game and see opposing supporters 'looking at them', those that smile and say 'alright' and start having a chat will see no problems, those on the other hand that adopt the 'what are you looking at' attitude will see plenty.
I'm sure some still yearn for the 'good old days' and treat Danny Dyer as a role model rather than a complete prat. |
Hi Lis, yes you are right about peoples attitude. We all know if you looking for trouble you will invariably find it, also on the same note you can go to a football match and enjoy the experience.
It's unfortunate what happened last Saturday but all teams have these idiots. | | | |
| Like I've said many times on 13:16 - Jan 23 with 1303 views | trampie |
| Like I've said many times on 12:58 - Jan 23 by ScoobyDoo |
Typical aint it, a thread that condemns violence then there's you that promotes it?
That saying that goes 'no sense, no feeling' just about sums you up. |
You have been found out trying to make out everything is safe and ok and then trampie gets to the apparent truth and that is you don't wear colours to certain games and you don't attend other certain high risk games.
Why some people out there think its ok to tell people its ok to do things that they themselves would not do is not just a mystery but in this case its stupid.
There could be teenagers and young adults that are just making their way in life reading on a supporters forum that it is ok to walk the streets of foreign towns wearing their own colours, get a grip mun.
Are you causing mischief because you are not a fan of the team this board is all about ?, in fact you are a fan of our biggest rivals are you not ?
Naughty behaviour, very very naughty, I see your apparent motivation now and it's not nice. | |
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, your having a giraffe, I was a teenager watching the Swans go up through the leagues the first time round in the heyday of hooliganism, i'm not listing things but you are not talking isolated instances. 