| Could the trust be doomed? 15:16 - Nov 6 with 26057 views | NOTRAC |
I am not sure about this, but because of the way the ownership of the shares in Swansea City have actually been made, it might be that two "owners" could allow the American investors virtual control of the Club, without recourse to the present Board of Directors, the Trust,or the remaining shareholders.
We are often told that Martin Morgan and his wife own 225,000 shares in the club and that Brian Ketzon owns 200,000 shares which together equate to 50% of the total shares issued.
In fact they actually own no shares at all.The shares are owned by Oth Limited (225,000 shares) and Five Thirty Limited (161216shares) and T L R Investments Limited (38784shares)
It can be assumed therefore that Oth Limited is owned by Martin Morgan and his wife, and the other two companies by Brian Ketzon and family.
Without knowing of any legal restrictions,both Martin Morgan and Brian Ketzon could sell their shares in Oth Limited, Five Thirty Limited and T L R Investments Limited without any recourse to Swansea City Football Club and let in the Americans through the back door.The shares as such would not have changed hands, they are still owned by the same Companies (where incidentally they are shown as investments on the Balance Sheets of those Companies), it is just that the Americans have control of those shares.
If the above is legally feasible, then the Americans could contain absolute control by buying in exactly the same way the shares allegedly owned by Dineen but which are in fact owned by Bulk Vending Limited and Van Zweden whose shares are owned by Swansea Jacks Limited.
If the above scenario was possible,and I know of no reason why legally it is not, then the Trust would be powerless to stop it, and would receive nothing for their shares
I would hope there are provisions in place to stop the above happening, otherwise the Trust could be doomed. |  |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:19 - Nov 9 with 1560 views | _ |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 10:08 - Nov 9 by Phil_S |
We have had this discussion before you are right which is why I don't see it as relevant to these discussions but to take a couple of your points.
If you said in principal the Trust Director should not have a strong financial stake then that is your viewpoint. However, it would need a clear mandate from our members for that to be the case and secondly I think you should also be able to be comfortable in taking that work away that it was not disadvantageous (sp) to the club to do so.
It is right though to point out that he did not earn £150k from the club last year but the club paid him £150k for services. I don't know Huw's margin but that £150k will have covered the design, overheads and printing costs of the work that he has done so how much he "made" will not be disclosed in those figures. As an aside and out of interest would you feel different if the work that he undertook would have cost say £175k elsewhere?
I will refrain from commenting on the film as I have been there before but I don't think my views on it and the portrayal will vary much from yours on here particularly from the bit that portrayed the part that the fans as a collective made. That was Mal Pope's decision and he was well aware of our feelings on the subject
I will always disagree with our voice being strong enough because I know that it has been. Where it has been weak is telling you what we are fighting against (not you as an individual but you as a member) and that has been taken on the chin. Interestingly we have been blocked in the past by local media from having the voice that we would have liked but that's one for another day. The past is the past, the current is what matters most at the moment
And here it is right for everyone to be aware that I am speaking some of it from a personal viewpoint but when talking about the deal I think the Trust stance has been made and contrary to what I have read the statement was not an open letter just confirmation of what others already knew |
Yes, I would feel different, more comfortable I'd say. But to inflate the £150k to £175k or deflate would have no bearing on how I would see things.
Look, it's not fair for you to have to answer questions on here about your friend.
It's just as simple as this should never have been an issue in the first place. A business interest with the club and being the supporters director should just not happen. Ever.
I've come on here and sent emails to the TD asking for reasons why the club have made seriously bad decisions at the severe cost to the Swansea Joe Public over and over again for more than ten years. We just have not had a strong enough voice and I don't know if that would have been different with other people going into fight for us but it's certainly been the case that our fans have been steadily treated more and more like nobody's while lots of people at the top have done very well.
It's £45 a ticket today now to see us, for around 2000 supporters that can't get season tickets, roughly a thousand in the stadium will be in boxes or the Premier Club and the way season tickets were sold when we got up was a shambles in itself. Not everybody could afford a season ticket and lots never had to worry about it when we down in the Championship or lower and as a result have been frozen out to the extent that if they are lucky enough to be able to buy a match day ticket then they will have to part with nigh on £50 for the luxury,
The friendly price which you came on here and stated was a fair price was disgusting and it doesn't even matter what you thought, anyway... The fans were TELLING you it was too much. The Europa tickets, the commercial fack ups and God knows what else.
The Trust needs a good kick up it's ass I'm afraid and the sooner the better. |  |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:39 - Nov 9 with 1514 views | Phil_S |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:19 - Nov 9 by _ |
Yes, I would feel different, more comfortable I'd say. But to inflate the £150k to £175k or deflate would have no bearing on how I would see things.
Look, it's not fair for you to have to answer questions on here about your friend.
It's just as simple as this should never have been an issue in the first place. A business interest with the club and being the supporters director should just not happen. Ever.
I've come on here and sent emails to the TD asking for reasons why the club have made seriously bad decisions at the severe cost to the Swansea Joe Public over and over again for more than ten years. We just have not had a strong enough voice and I don't know if that would have been different with other people going into fight for us but it's certainly been the case that our fans have been steadily treated more and more like nobody's while lots of people at the top have done very well.
It's £45 a ticket today now to see us, for around 2000 supporters that can't get season tickets, roughly a thousand in the stadium will be in boxes or the Premier Club and the way season tickets were sold when we got up was a shambles in itself. Not everybody could afford a season ticket and lots never had to worry about it when we down in the Championship or lower and as a result have been frozen out to the extent that if they are lucky enough to be able to buy a match day ticket then they will have to part with nigh on £50 for the luxury,
The friendly price which you came on here and stated was a fair price was disgusting and it doesn't even matter what you thought, anyway... The fans were TELLING you it was too much. The Europa tickets, the commercial fack ups and God knows what else.
The Trust needs a good kick up it's ass I'm afraid and the sooner the better. |
The Trust have never disagreed on the matchday prices in terms of wanting to bring them down but we can only make that difference if there is enough of a viewpoint amongst the rest that make a decision to bring down those prices and you saw two weeks ago the viewpoint taken by them?
The friendly I will maintain my view on the prices for that particular game and your viewpoint will not be any more right than mine on that particular game. However, what happened as a result of that was that we listened and that is why Rotherham and Everton were priced at the price they were priced at but conveniently that gets overlooked in these discussions
We are one of a few people who do actually listen and there is proof in front of you as to that happening |  | | |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:39 - Nov 9 with 1514 views | dobjack2 |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:19 - Nov 9 by _ |
Yes, I would feel different, more comfortable I'd say. But to inflate the £150k to £175k or deflate would have no bearing on how I would see things.
Look, it's not fair for you to have to answer questions on here about your friend.
It's just as simple as this should never have been an issue in the first place. A business interest with the club and being the supporters director should just not happen. Ever.
I've come on here and sent emails to the TD asking for reasons why the club have made seriously bad decisions at the severe cost to the Swansea Joe Public over and over again for more than ten years. We just have not had a strong enough voice and I don't know if that would have been different with other people going into fight for us but it's certainly been the case that our fans have been steadily treated more and more like nobody's while lots of people at the top have done very well.
It's £45 a ticket today now to see us, for around 2000 supporters that can't get season tickets, roughly a thousand in the stadium will be in boxes or the Premier Club and the way season tickets were sold when we got up was a shambles in itself. Not everybody could afford a season ticket and lots never had to worry about it when we down in the Championship or lower and as a result have been frozen out to the extent that if they are lucky enough to be able to buy a match day ticket then they will have to part with nigh on £50 for the luxury,
The friendly price which you came on here and stated was a fair price was disgusting and it doesn't even matter what you thought, anyway... The fans were TELLING you it was too much. The Europa tickets, the commercial fack ups and God knows what else.
The Trust needs a good kick up it's ass I'm afraid and the sooner the better. |
You are clearly not happy with the way the trust have dealt with or are dealing with important issues. Not a criticism just an observation.
In my experience the best way to change a democratically elected body like the trust is from the inside. Have you considered standing for election using your criticism of the actions of the trust as your manifesto and saying how you would change things. If enough people support you then you will be able to do something positive from the inside. Just a thought. | | | |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:54 - Nov 9 with 1481 views | _ |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:39 - Nov 9 by dobjack2 |
You are clearly not happy with the way the trust have dealt with or are dealing with important issues. Not a criticism just an observation.
In my experience the best way to change a democratically elected body like the trust is from the inside. Have you considered standing for election using your criticism of the actions of the trust as your manifesto and saying how you would change things. If enough people support you then you will be able to do something positive from the inside. Just a thought. |
Well you make a good point but ok, let's look at this more closely.
Would you want me, or anyone else reading this on this board, want me as a Supporters Director? Do you really think I'm the right character for the job? | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 12:03 - Nov 9 with 1465 views | Darran |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:54 - Nov 9 by _ |
Well you make a good point but ok, let's look at this more closely.
Would you want me, or anyone else reading this on this board, want me as a Supporters Director? Do you really think I'm the right character for the job? |
Can I answer that? |  |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 12:04 - Nov 9 with 1465 views | _ |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:39 - Nov 9 by Phil_S |
The Trust have never disagreed on the matchday prices in terms of wanting to bring them down but we can only make that difference if there is enough of a viewpoint amongst the rest that make a decision to bring down those prices and you saw two weeks ago the viewpoint taken by them?
The friendly I will maintain my view on the prices for that particular game and your viewpoint will not be any more right than mine on that particular game. However, what happened as a result of that was that we listened and that is why Rotherham and Everton were priced at the price they were priced at but conveniently that gets overlooked in these discussions
We are one of a few people who do actually listen and there is proof in front of you as to that happening |
Oh no Phil, it didn't get overlooked, it was very gratefully received and as you saw by the attendances was very much proved to be the right decision.
I have been almost campaigning for that and getting at Cooze on the Swans Facebook page but you could argue too little too late, although thanks, a step to the good.
We, as members of the Trust need more interaction. Forget face to face meetings as we are all dotted across the land and further afar and all in full time employment. The technology is there now to do this effectively remotely. If members of the Trust come up with strong, feasible suggestions for matters that concern us as a paying public, we'd like these put to the board of directors and minutes taken as per the meeting. If things come down to a vote then lets see who's voted for what and their reasons for doing so. If the reasons hold water and make strong fiscal sense to both the club and its loyal supporters then so be it. If not, then we need a stronger voice to challenge the decision.
We are the second largest shareholder, we are the fans and we aren't getting listened to. | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 13:49 - Nov 9 with 1386 views | Shaky |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 01:06 - Nov 9 by londonlisa2001 |
fine.
It is apparent from points that are made in his posts that he doesn't have the level of specific expertise that he claims he does. He may well have a background in corporate finance (although he stated on here in the past that he left that world in 2000 ish and in the famous posts about his book collection, they were all dated from a time that would be consistent with that statement) and he may well do some advisory work now.
However, it is obvious from his remarks at times that his expertise lies outside the area of UK companies, and in particular UK privately owned companies. His references are sometime incomplete, sometimes too simplistic for situations being discussed, sometimes skewed towards US regulations (which as Dav says are often very similar, but are not always the same) and sometimes just wrong.
He has admitted himself that his background covers some of Eastern Europe, Germany and the US (he said Delaware). Given the mention of Delaware that gives quite a good indication of the types of businesses he is familiar with. His statements about corporate structures and financing structures also indicates the same thing. I have spent a great deal of time in Wilmington myself in the past so know exactly what that particular part of the US specialises in.
From remarks that he has made, I believe that he has no direct, recent experience of either being a party to a UK private company shareholders' agreement nor indeed has advised a party to one. I also don't believe that he has recently advised UK publicly listed corporates either.
Incidentally, I don't see any reason for any of this to preclude people getting involved, giving advice, etc etc. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Also, contrary to what you may think, I find him quite amusing. However, I don't understand his utter conviction that there are not people either on here, or advising the Trust, that don't have rather more in the way of specific, relevant expertise. |
Sorry to sidetrack an increasingly interesting discussion, but I missed Lisa's post earlier and I simply have to comment on one point.
Lisa mentions she "has spent a great deal of time in Wilmington [Delaware]" and presents this as a proof that she is has relevant knowledge.
But the reality is that what goes on within the fine state of Delaware - which is a favoured location for US company domiciles for various reasons - is in effect mechanical.
They carry out the technical execution of schemes and corporate structures devised in New York, Boston, San Francisco, etc. The job description stipulates an ability to follow orders, not to formulate them.
The correct analogy here is that of the artist and the picture framer. The picture framer may have seen many paintings and as a consequence gained some understanding of brush stroke techniques, etc.. But ask him to produce a work of art and it's gonna be a mess, otherwise he would be an artist in the first place.
The reality is that we inhabit different planets, Lisa, and although you can fool a large number of people in these parts the same can not be said for the inhabitants of my world. |  |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 13:51 - Nov 9 with 1383 views | jackonicko |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:54 - Nov 9 by _ |
Well you make a good point but ok, let's look at this more closely.
Would you want me, or anyone else reading this on this board, want me as a Supporters Director? Do you really think I'm the right character for the job? |
You make an excellent, wider point.
The SD has a very difficult job and not everyone could do it. The need to balance the demands as the second largest shareholder of the club against the wishes of the rest, who are the majority. You need to pick which battles to fight and which to concede - and sometimes I expect you need to make that decision in the room, as you judge the positions of everyone else.
But you don't need to be the supporters director. The SD merely takes the views of the trust chairman, the trust board, and therefore of the wider trust membership, into the club boardroom. You could therefore just as easily influence and put a point of view by being a member of the trust board - it's then the job of the SD to go into the boardroom and put it across. |  | | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 13:53 - Nov 9 with 1378 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:54 - Nov 9 by _ |
Well you make a good point but ok, let's look at this more closely.
Would you want me, or anyone else reading this on this board, want me as a Supporters Director? Do you really think I'm the right character for the job? |
In some ways the answer to that question would be influenced by what relationship someone believed that the Trust should have with the club.
I guess that there are 2 ways of looking at it. One is that the Trust should work as a consensual, influencing partner with the club board to point out the position of fans but ultimately prepared to be supportive of its decisions. The second would be that the Trust should adopt a more adversarial stance, willing to publicly oppose decisions made by the board and generally act as more of an antagonist (more of a Bob Crow type position if you like).
I'm not sure there is a right or a wrong. It would seem to me that the stance adopted would in part at least be more or less relevant depending on what was happening at a board level.
This may well be a time when the trust has to move away from the first approach towards the second if necessary. And it may be difficult for someone who has been an integral part of the board under the first type of relationship to sufficiently distance themselves from relationships that they've enjoyed to become more adversarial. I don't know Huw Cooze so am unable to comment whether he will be able to adjust if it becomes necessary. I am pretty certain that the Trust overall will do so though, since it has already started to happen.
It may be that at some point, the Trust has to appoint a director with a more adversarial mindset, in which case, I would think you would do splendidly ! | | | |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:09 - Nov 9 with 1355 views | dobjack2 |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:54 - Nov 9 by _ |
Well you make a good point but ok, let's look at this more closely.
Would you want me, or anyone else reading this on this board, want me as a Supporters Director? Do you really think I'm the right character for the job? |
I was thinking trust board rather than director. | | | |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:16 - Nov 9 with 1347 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 13:49 - Nov 9 by Shaky |
Sorry to sidetrack an increasingly interesting discussion, but I missed Lisa's post earlier and I simply have to comment on one point.
Lisa mentions she "has spent a great deal of time in Wilmington [Delaware]" and presents this as a proof that she is has relevant knowledge.
But the reality is that what goes on within the fine state of Delaware - which is a favoured location for US company domiciles for various reasons - is in effect mechanical.
They carry out the technical execution of schemes and corporate structures devised in New York, Boston, San Francisco, etc. The job description stipulates an ability to follow orders, not to formulate them.
The correct analogy here is that of the artist and the picture framer. The picture framer may have seen many paintings and as a consequence gained some understanding of brush stroke techniques, etc.. But ask him to produce a work of art and it's gonna be a mess, otherwise he would be an artist in the first place.
The reality is that we inhabit different planets, Lisa, and although you can fool a large number of people in these parts the same can not be said for the inhabitants of my world. |
do you know what - I've edited my answer to remove what I previously posted since this ridiculous ego trip that you're on is boring for me and tedious in the extreme for everyone else I'm sure so I'm not playing along any longer.
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:18 - Nov 9 with 1342 views | _ |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:09 - Nov 9 by dobjack2 |
I was thinking trust board rather than director. |
Ok, but first I want to speak to my adviser Shaky and get his thoughts.....it won't be cheap.
Then, I will start up a business (I've always wanted to do that) but it will have to be something that is mutually beneficial, of course.
No, not for the Trust and it's members, but for my business and the club...
Or am I just ridiculously cynical?
It's not like that hasn't happened before is it?! | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:37 - Nov 9 with 1322 views | Starsky |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 11:39 - Nov 9 by dobjack2 |
You are clearly not happy with the way the trust have dealt with or are dealing with important issues. Not a criticism just an observation.
In my experience the best way to change a democratically elected body like the trust is from the inside. Have you considered standing for election using your criticism of the actions of the trust as your manifesto and saying how you would change things. If enough people support you then you will be able to do something positive from the inside. Just a thought. |
It's really tiresome when folk trott out the party line "if you want to change things then join the blah blah" when someone raises questions.
I just re-joined the trust earlier this week. However, after just reading the tail end of this thread, I have learned that the Trust director has been paid by the club for services rendered.
I've no doubt that it was a good deal for both parties but surely an arrangement such as this can potentially affect the trust Director's objectivity, no?
I see the role of the Trust Director, similar to a shop steward, fighting for the rights of his members. In industry, you wouldn't expect to see the shop steward having a business arrangement with the company that he's striving against for a fair deal for his members.
Am I in the wrong here? Someone please correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick. |  |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:45 - Nov 9 with 1311 views | NeiltheTaylor |
Huw Cooze has the Trust over a barrel now though. If he goes, much of the inside knowledge he has gained goes with him. Maybe the club can give him an offer he can't refuse...
You can't say there is precedence. | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:51 - Nov 9 with 1302 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:37 - Nov 9 by Starsky |
It's really tiresome when folk trott out the party line "if you want to change things then join the blah blah" when someone raises questions.
I just re-joined the trust earlier this week. However, after just reading the tail end of this thread, I have learned that the Trust director has been paid by the club for services rendered.
I've no doubt that it was a good deal for both parties but surely an arrangement such as this can potentially affect the trust Director's objectivity, no?
I see the role of the Trust Director, similar to a shop steward, fighting for the rights of his members. In industry, you wouldn't expect to see the shop steward having a business arrangement with the company that he's striving against for a fair deal for his members.
Am I in the wrong here? Someone please correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick. |
You're absolutely right.
It would take a very strong character indeed to deal with the board without the thought that next time a contract comes up that he/she wants to quote for, members of that board will be making decisions about that contract. |  |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:01 - Nov 9 with 1272 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:54 - Nov 9 by Shaky |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:03 - Nov 9 with 1267 views | MoscowJack |
I'm really worried that this is all going in the wrong direction.
Huw Cooze has been providing this service for the Club for as long as I can remember and, from what I have been told, does it for a cost that the Club could not find elsewhere. That sounds very fair to me. Personally, I would far prefer to see a Swansea-based business reap the rewards than a company based in Bristol, London or Manchester, for example. Maybe, even if he was slightly more expensive while we're in the PL as the differences probably wouldn't equal a day's wage for Bony.
At a time when we need to get behind the Trust, I think we need to be working WITH them, not against. Now is not the time, in my opinion, for this to all happen. | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:05 - Nov 9 with 1265 views | Shaky |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:16 - Nov 9 by londonlisa2001 |
do you know what - I've edited my answer to remove what I previously posted since this ridiculous ego trip that you're on is boring for me and tedious in the extreme for everyone else I'm sure so I'm not playing along any longer.
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So it wasn't because you had shocked even yourself with your own outlandish bullshit?
Aaaaaahahahahahaha. | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:06 - Nov 9 with 1261 views | dobjack2 |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 14:37 - Nov 9 by Starsky |
It's really tiresome when folk trott out the party line "if you want to change things then join the blah blah" when someone raises questions.
I just re-joined the trust earlier this week. However, after just reading the tail end of this thread, I have learned that the Trust director has been paid by the club for services rendered.
I've no doubt that it was a good deal for both parties but surely an arrangement such as this can potentially affect the trust Director's objectivity, no?
I see the role of the Trust Director, similar to a shop steward, fighting for the rights of his members. In industry, you wouldn't expect to see the shop steward having a business arrangement with the company that he's striving against for a fair deal for his members.
Am I in the wrong here? Someone please correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick. |
You got the wrong person here for party lines its purely practical. If you don't like the way things are done and you have an opportunity to change it then stop whingeing, get off your @rse and do something about it. If you can get enough people to agree with your views it can be done. throwing stones from the ourside rarely works in my experience. | | | |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:09 - Nov 9 with 1252 views | Starsky |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:06 - Nov 9 by dobjack2 |
You got the wrong person here for party lines its purely practical. If you don't like the way things are done and you have an opportunity to change it then stop whingeing, get off your @rse and do something about it. If you can get enough people to agree with your views it can be done. throwing stones from the ourside rarely works in my experience. |
it's a message board forum.
It's called an opinion. Not a whinge.
Debating a subject doesn't have to involve a recruitment drive ffs. [Post edited 9 Nov 2014 15:15]
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:14 - Nov 9 with 1238 views | Starsky |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:03 - Nov 9 by MoscowJack |
I'm really worried that this is all going in the wrong direction.
Huw Cooze has been providing this service for the Club for as long as I can remember and, from what I have been told, does it for a cost that the Club could not find elsewhere. That sounds very fair to me. Personally, I would far prefer to see a Swansea-based business reap the rewards than a company based in Bristol, London or Manchester, for example. Maybe, even if he was slightly more expensive while we're in the PL as the differences probably wouldn't equal a day's wage for Bony.
At a time when we need to get behind the Trust, I think we need to be working WITH them, not against. Now is not the time, in my opinion, for this to all happen. |
At the end of the day, if it's at cost, then Mr Cooze wouldn't worry if the work went elsewhere and surely the club doesn't need to worry too much that they have to pay say 25% more to take away the situation.
It's all about visibility isn't it mJ? | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:25 - Nov 9 with 1222 views | _ |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 15:03 - Nov 9 by MoscowJack |
I'm really worried that this is all going in the wrong direction.
Huw Cooze has been providing this service for the Club for as long as I can remember and, from what I have been told, does it for a cost that the Club could not find elsewhere. That sounds very fair to me. Personally, I would far prefer to see a Swansea-based business reap the rewards than a company based in Bristol, London or Manchester, for example. Maybe, even if he was slightly more expensive while we're in the PL as the differences probably wouldn't equal a day's wage for Bony.
At a time when we need to get behind the Trust, I think we need to be working WITH them, not against. Now is not the time, in my opinion, for this to all happen. |
Well Nick, you're entitled to that opinion but I'm sorry I totally disagree. This is a discussion about the whole framework of the club both now and for the the future. And that future is right now.
I understand Huw is your friend but this is a time for openness and transparency. No offence is meant to anyone here and certainly no accusation of wrongdoing, this is basically all about correct principles and having someone with no vested interest whatsoever. | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 17:02 - Nov 9 with 1183 views | MoscowJack |
Chris, I've only met Huw Cooze a few times and I don't think he's said many good things about me in the past as I used to be far more critical of the Trust than you might remember. Rich L and I used to have a laugh about it as he was "Mr. Trust" and I felt that I was letting him down, but he understood totally.
I'm fine if you're asking for transparency as I'm pretty sure you'll see everything is right with HC's company.
As for the other Directors of the club, I have absolutely no idea. | |
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| Could the trust be doomed? on 19:31 - Nov 9 with 1128 views | Davillin |
| Could the trust be doomed? on 10:19 - Nov 9 by Phil_S |
I understand there are words from the Chairman in today's programme where he says they need to work with us to safeguard the future of the club
Or at least words to that effect anyway
That is probably the best answer I can give at the moment. If we can get there then yes we can - if there isn't a positive outcome in sight for the club then I cannot see how we can back the sale of some shares? |
You might want to quote him more accurately, as it's full of "weasel words."
For my examination of that quotation, go Here:
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/forum/130197/chairman-jenkins- |  |
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