| Shocking if true on 16:03 - Mar 5 with 1411 views | ColombiR |
| Shocking if true on 14:01 - Mar 5 by simmo |
Is this thread still happening?! |
No this thread is not happening not did it ever happen.
NW5 and Clive (rhymes - must be a media conspiracy) fabricated the entire thread urged to do so by Antti's hidden agenda.
In fact even my reply is made up.
Lies, all lies. |  | |  |
| Shocking if true on 16:03 - Mar 5 with 1411 views | ColombiR |
| Shocking if true on 14:01 - Mar 5 by simmo |
Is this thread still happening?! |
Oops d/p [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Shocking if true on 18:33 - Mar 5 with 1342 views | hoopstilidie |
| Shocking if true on 14:45 - Mar 5 by Antti_Heinola |
Dear HTID
I am very sorry if you found my last post there abusive. I was going for sarcastic and can't really see where I became abusive, but if you felt abused I'm sorry. (Your 'shut up you tart' above seems to make you something of a hypocrite, though - but let's move on).
Anyway, let's leave that aside - I genuinely apologise for being so sarcastic. But it's hard, you see, because at times you can be wilfully frustrating. On this thread you have had several reasonable, knowledgeable people (not talking about myself - I mean NW5 or Clive for example), trying to explain to you why this story is not just a load of made up stuff. Now I think we can all agree that some things have been exaggerated. They always are. We had people on here saying some players were 'excellent' after Saturday's win for example, which was nonsense (as Clive's ratings bear out - no one was above a 7/10). Dave B's suggestion that people are not accepting that elements of this story had been 'sexed up' is also untrue. I think we all have to take everything we read with a pinch of salt and try to look at any story objectively. But my problem with you is that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, poking your tongue out, closing your eyes and saying 'no no no it's all made up, all the quotes are fabricated, because Harry told us so.' Harry Redknapp!
Now, let's take a look at what the story actually says:
1. Training lasted 90 minutes and then players were left to their own devices. Even Harry has admitted this to be true: 'We worked the maximum, man for man, worked our socks for an hour and a half, every day.' Whether this is good or bad or whether other things could have been worked on outside of those 90 mins is up for debate. Personally, I can't believe more could not have been done - not on fitness but on tactical issues, or set plays, perhaps in the evenings.
2. “Then in the evening some players were out, until 3am, 4am, 5am — and then went to training at 8am. It was like a stag party. Some looked at it as if we had a five-day holiday. It wasn’t one or two of us. That’s the problem.” Again, no one has denied this. Harry said people went drinking but were always on time for training. Nowhere in the article does it say it was ALL the players or that it was EVERY night.
3. Another player said it was like a party - pool, shopping, drinking. Again, none of this has been denied. What is being said here is that at least some players thought that there should have been more discipline on the trip. Some players are angry that when we are in this much trouble, it's not a time to be partying - even while admitting they were culpable too.
4. Redknapp stayed in a different hotel with his wife. He has confirmed this. We can go round the houses here on whether that is acceptable or not - personally, I find it odd and Harry taking his wife out there and going to another hotel does make it seem as if this was a nice break for everyone on the club's dime. But others may feel differently - that's a matter of opinion and I respect both views. However, the fact that this is true clearly shows the interview has not been simply made up.
5. After training, which Harry didn't take (no problems there either, Harry has often left training to Jordan etc at all clubs he's been with them at) nothing was organised. Again, this has not been denied and again I find it strange that if this was a team-building trip why more group activities were not arranged.
6. One player says Harry was upset with the drinking when it went too far. Again, hardly a revelation and I expect all clubs out there had the same thing.
7. The players in the article believe they were not properly prepared for Man Utd. That is their opinion. The way we played suggest they may be right.
8. “There’s a feeling from some of us that other players don’t give a s***, that they’re just here for the money,” said the player, a regular starter. Some are going around saying they can’t wait for the end of the season so they can move. " It's very difficult to call this fabricated when Shaun Derry has been on Open All Rs saying something very, very similar, although more guardedly. He said something along the lines of being furious when he's watched players in our squad not pulling their weight. I've heard an interview with Clint Hill where he said the same. So I find it hard to believe this was made up.
9. “The manager is supposed to be the leader, but a lot of us think he’s going to leave in the summer as well. If that’s the case how is he going to get the players going?” Again - a sentiment expressed by a great many people on this board. I would say most of us think he'll go if we go down, so it's not beyond reason that players may feel ambiguous towards him, too.
10. “At the moment, the foreign players are in one section and the English players in another. There is not enough bonding, no Âatmosphere where we fight for each other." Again, this is not new. We've all suspected this. But of course all dressing rooms have their divisions, which are glossed over when things go well but can open up into chasms when things go badly. It was noticeable even on Sat how it was the French contingent who came over at the end to give their shirts to the fans and clap the fans, for example.
11. “During the January window he was barely there,” said one of the players. “A lot of us thought he was concentrating on trying to buy one or two players and forgetting about the 22 already here. Our problems aren’t going to be solved by one or two players. It’s a joke." Again, it's obvious this was the case. We all knew that. We don't blame Harry for trying to get new players in, but at the same time this kind of reaction seems only natural from the players we already have.
So, long, boring post, I know. But hopefully that explains a few things, HTID, and you can see what some of us mean on this thread. This isn't just a totally made up story, there may be exaggerations and actually we may 'over-read' the claims of drinking - the article never says *everyone* was out *every* night until 6am if you read it closely. So there is sensationalism there, but what you have here is a portrait of at least 3 players profoundly upset about how the club is being run and where it's going and angry about our performances and league position. Nothing in there is any different to what many of us already felt about the club and have expressed on these pages dozens of times over the last 12 months or more. I just can't see how you can just shut your eyes and say 'it's all fabrication.' It's not. It's just not.
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It was meant to be jocular, as in a Delboy style "shut up you tart".
As was the reply to Westbourne with the ****, you know, a joke.
And nowhere did I say it's all made up. Nowhere. But you can invent whatever you please.
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| Shocking if true on 21:19 - Mar 5 with 1260 views | westolian |
Blimey !!
Couldn't be arsed to read every post but here's my take
HR leaked the story. If you were a manager what would be the best way of bonding the squad
It's classic, us against the world mentality and good on Arry as it worked against Soton
You're all super intelligent chaps, please tell me everyone else thought of this |  |
| I've found a team sheet for the weekend - anyone interested ? |
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| Shocking if true on 21:22 - Mar 5 with 1256 views | Landofoz89 |
Fuc* me I need a drink  |  |
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| Shocking if true on 21:54 - Mar 5 with 1233 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Shocking if true on 18:33 - Mar 5 by hoopstilidie |
It was meant to be jocular, as in a Delboy style "shut up you tart".
As was the reply to Westbourne with the ****, you know, a joke.
And nowhere did I say it's all made up. Nowhere. But you can invent whatever you please.
I know what I said. |
read this line and I'm not sure what you were talking about, apologies if i got it wrong:
'They most certainly did "just make this up".'
Perhaps you were referring to a different story, apologies if so.
As for the hypocritical stuff, do me a favour. Easy to backtrack on that once Westbourne had made you look a fool.
Still, make sure you ignore the actual content of my points above. |  |
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| Shocking if true on 22:48 - Mar 5 with 1187 views | TheBlob |
14 pages and no mention of Hitler.
Can't be happening. |  |
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| Shocking if true on 22:57 - Mar 5 with 1180 views | phomem |
| Shocking if true on 21:19 - Mar 5 by westolian |
Blimey !!
Couldn't be arsed to read every post but here's my take
HR leaked the story. If you were a manager what would be the best way of bonding the squad
It's classic, us against the world mentality and good on Arry as it worked against Soton
You're all super intelligent chaps, please tell me everyone else thought of this |
That could be genius |  | | |
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| Shocking if true on 23:32 - Mar 5 with 1159 views | AlbRanger |
| Shocking if true on 22:48 - Mar 5 by TheBlob |
14 pages and no mention of Hitler.
Can't be happening. |
Good point - surely there's enough in the Mirror story and Redknapp's denial for someone to have done one if those Valkyrie dubs? |  | | |
| Shocking if true on 23:45 - Mar 5 with 1152 views | chris1969 |
| Shocking if true on 23:32 - Mar 5 by AlbRanger |
Good point - surely there's enough in the Mirror story and Redknapp's denial for someone to have done one if those Valkyrie dubs? |
Be rude not to get to the magical 15 pages | | | |
| Shocking if true on 07:18 - Mar 6 with 1124 views | hoopstilidie |
| Shocking if true on 21:54 - Mar 5 by Antti_Heinola |
read this line and I'm not sure what you were talking about, apologies if i got it wrong:
'They most certainly did "just make this up".'
Perhaps you were referring to a different story, apologies if so.
As for the hypocritical stuff, do me a favour. Easy to backtrack on that once Westbourne had made you look a fool.
Still, make sure you ignore the actual content of my points above. |
Yep entirely a different story, related to the Mail one I used as an example for NW5 where he stated journalist certainly wouldn't "just make this up" and I posted an enormously well known case of where they most certainly did "just make this up".
Backtracking? No, if you aren't aware of the OFAH "Oh, do shut up you tart" then you aren't but it doesn't make me look a fool. Westbourne was (yet again) deciding that if 2 people disagree with him then they must be "mates", specifically myself and TWR, I used the phrase in an exasperated, can't be bothered, non-offensive manner, in the order of a large sigh if you will. Nothing more, nothing less. The follow up I thought was fairly funny, hence leaving the large gap for the "punchline". Not to your taste? Sorry, I can't legislate for that.
Have whatever you want however you want, anybody with half a brain and the full reading capacity of an 11 year old or above can see what I wrote throughout this thread, gave an opinion, used prior cases to back said opinion up. That's all.
It is my opinion that a good deal of the story was fabricated/exaggerated or fed to him for an ulterior purpose and I have had this conversation with the author of the article himself (Martin Lipton) on Twitter and proved to him, by his own admission, that he wasn't as well informed as he thought he was. | |
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| Shocking if true on 07:58 - Mar 6 with 1111 views | Bushman |
In my limited experience of the national press first hand,whenever I have read an article about anyone I know personally it has always been littered with albeit mainly small inaccuracies ie age,children where they went to school etc |  |
| I know almost nothing about the Premier League even though I try to catch the big games every now and then at the end of the season. But I will say this, Queens Park Rangers is just a fukking sick ass team name. Just sounds so cool. |
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| Shocking if true on 08:08 - Mar 6 with 1098 views | CanadaRanger |
| Shocking if true on 22:48 - Mar 5 by TheBlob |
14 pages and no mention of Hitler.
Can't be happening. |
You just did... :) |  | | |
| Shocking if true on 08:42 - Mar 6 with 1065 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Shocking if true on 08:08 - Mar 6 by CanadaRanger |
You just did... :) |
Hitler?
Never really liked the bloke. Which side of the thread is he on? |  |
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| Shocking if true on 09:14 - Mar 6 with 1047 views | TheBlob |
| Shocking if true on 08:42 - Mar 6 by isawqpratwcity |
Hitler?
Never really liked the bloke. Which side of the thread is he on? |
The vegetarian side.Subject to the approval of food tasters. | |
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| Shocking if true on 09:17 - Mar 6 with 1045 views | TheBlob |
| Shocking if true on 07:18 - Mar 6 by hoopstilidie |
Yep entirely a different story, related to the Mail one I used as an example for NW5 where he stated journalist certainly wouldn't "just make this up" and I posted an enormously well known case of where they most certainly did "just make this up".
Backtracking? No, if you aren't aware of the OFAH "Oh, do shut up you tart" then you aren't but it doesn't make me look a fool. Westbourne was (yet again) deciding that if 2 people disagree with him then they must be "mates", specifically myself and TWR, I used the phrase in an exasperated, can't be bothered, non-offensive manner, in the order of a large sigh if you will. Nothing more, nothing less. The follow up I thought was fairly funny, hence leaving the large gap for the "punchline". Not to your taste? Sorry, I can't legislate for that.
Have whatever you want however you want, anybody with half a brain and the full reading capacity of an 11 year old or above can see what I wrote throughout this thread, gave an opinion, used prior cases to back said opinion up. That's all.
It is my opinion that a good deal of the story was fabricated/exaggerated or fed to him for an ulterior purpose and I have had this conversation with the author of the article himself (Martin Lipton) on Twitter and proved to him, by his own admission, that he wasn't as well informed as he thought he was. |
Yes,I sent Lipton a tweet thanking him for handing us three points on the back of that scurrilous report.
The silence,as they say,was deafening. | |
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| Shocking if true on 09:45 - Mar 6 with 1027 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Shocking if true on 09:14 - Mar 6 by TheBlob |
The vegetarian side.Subject to the approval of food tasters. |
Who'd want to be the food taster for a vegetarian? | |
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| Shocking if true on 09:49 - Mar 6 with 1015 views | TheBlob |
| Shocking if true on 09:45 - Mar 6 by isawqpratwcity |
Who'd want to be the food taster for a vegetarian? |
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| Shocking if true on 09:57 - Mar 6 with 1004 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Shocking if true on 09:49 - Mar 6 by TheBlob |
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Obvious you don't get very old being a food taster for Hitler. | |
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| Shocking if true on 10:19 - Mar 6 with 984 views | toboboly |
I think you will find that is a lie. Margot Woelk actually runs a milliners in Reigate. |  |
| Sexy Asian dwarves wanted. |
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| Shocking if true on 10:25 - Mar 6 with 976 views | TheBlob |
| Shocking if true on 10:19 - Mar 6 by toboboly |
I think you will find that is a lie. Margot Woelk actually runs a milliners in Reigate. |
Hats are non-meat products. | |
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| Shocking if true on 10:27 - Mar 6 with 1330 views | isawqpratwcity |
Fair enough.
Am I sick in saying that Eva Braun looked well fit?
Also, I know some-one who reckons her grand-dad was Hitler's cook; surname Kuhl, any thoughts? | |
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| Shocking if true on 10:28 - Mar 6 with 1321 views | TheBlob |
| Shocking if true on 10:27 - Mar 6 by isawqpratwcity |
Fair enough.
Am I sick in saying that Eva Braun looked well fit?
Also, I know some-one who reckons her grand-dad was Hitler's cook; surname Kuhl, any thoughts? |
Yes,brought out a cookbook - "Out of the frying pan,into the Fuhrer". | |
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| Shocking if true on 11:54 - Mar 6 with 1287 views | TacticalR |
According to the Football Weekly podcast, two of the other teams in Dubai were Norwich and Sunderland. |  |
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