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Trump 09:43 - Oct 27 with 135281 viewsHooparoo

An Australian professor of Data Analytics from Griffith University who predicted Trump’s first win, the Australian Federal Election(when all the polls said the opposite) and Brexit has called it - Trump will be re-elected for another 4 years. You heard it here first.

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Trump on 07:40 - Jan 8 with 1819 viewsKonk

Trump on 22:22 - Jan 7 by BucksRanger

The D'Elia story I posted only appears to have broken today. If I hear nothing more of it I will be surprised as the Congress are being handed that affidavit and should have to make some kind of response. Time will tell.

The Hunter Biden laptop was really interesting when it broke. For a few hours there were a very large number of files and a few videos purportedly from it, to be found on the net. The sheer volume of information was impressive. Unfortunately, it all disappeared PDQ. I wish I could still access it as it seemed pretty damning to me.

Don't take me for a Trump supporter just because I saw things about the Biden family that I didn't care for. To me, the USA have just swapped a crazy president for a crooked one if those files I saw were true.


Bucks, This piece from NBC explains why the media weren’t interested in the Hunter Biden laptop story, and why it only gained traction on Conspiracy/Trump-minded social media. When you consider that not even FOX News would touch it, that ought to set alarms ringing as to it’s veracity. Once again, Giuliani has a mountain of explosive evidence, but won’t share it. There are numerous pieces debunking this case on well-established, serious news websites; the one below is from NBC:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1245533

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Trump on 07:43 - Jan 8 with 1817 viewstraininvain

Trump on 06:10 - Jan 8 by Dixie_CT

Maybe I’m naive but this does seem like progress:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55583264

Trump’s words are more direct and in line with what he should be saying. Maybe someone has had a word with him and he doesn’t fancy being the fuse on the ticking time bomb that leads to a civil war.


Shame it took an attempted insurrection and five people dead including a police officer. Not to mention the embarrassment and weakness it showed to the rest of the world.

I suspect the likes of Pence and McConnell told him to reign it in or they’d use the 25th Amendment and possibly criminal charges.
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Trump on 08:00 - Jan 8 with 1796 viewsKonk

Trump on 07:43 - Jan 8 by traininvain

Shame it took an attempted insurrection and five people dead including a police officer. Not to mention the embarrassment and weakness it showed to the rest of the world.

I suspect the likes of Pence and McConnell told him to reign it in or they’d use the 25th Amendment and possibly criminal charges.


Whenever Trump makes a 'Presidential' speech via teleprompter, it's usually followed within 48 hours by a series of tweets that completely undermine/contradict what it was that he said from the podium. Given he's currently banned from Twitter and posting on Facebook, we might not hear more from him for a few days.

As has been said, it's quite possible that it's been explained to him that encouraging an insurrection and assault on the Capitol, might not be the best legal position to put yourself in, might not play well with the GOP establishment who have seen Trump lose the House, Presidency and now Senate, and might be a PR disaster in terms of media coverage and support among moderates.

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Trump on 08:13 - Jan 8 with 1773 viewsPhildo

Trump on 08:00 - Jan 8 by Konk

Whenever Trump makes a 'Presidential' speech via teleprompter, it's usually followed within 48 hours by a series of tweets that completely undermine/contradict what it was that he said from the podium. Given he's currently banned from Twitter and posting on Facebook, we might not hear more from him for a few days.

As has been said, it's quite possible that it's been explained to him that encouraging an insurrection and assault on the Capitol, might not be the best legal position to put yourself in, might not play well with the GOP establishment who have seen Trump lose the House, Presidency and now Senate, and might be a PR disaster in terms of media coverage and support among moderates.


Seems pretty clear to me that statement was written by lawyers. It will be interesting to see if they invoke impeachment because if successful it would ban him from running again which may even be attractive to some Republicans.

An interesting case in point was the Kennedy assassination. For years afterwards various conspiracy theories came to light usually through books written by various cranks. Of course there was no social media at the time so it spread slowly rather than by wildfire. I was always interested in it so during the 80s and 90s I read quite a few books about it. Eventually it became pretty clear- perhaps it always was- that Kennedy had been shot by Lee Harvey Oswald despite all the strange events around the day and the main characters.

Regarding Trump's crackpot conversation with the Georgia certifying officer I did listen to in full and convinced me- if I needed it- that Trump is a lunatic narcissistic bully. The guy quietly rebuts all of the crackpot claims for example when Trump says the Dominion machines may have been a problem he just says that they recounted them by hand and got the same results. When he says there were 5000 dead people who voted he says no we checked there were actually two. When he says people from outside the state voted illegally he says no we checked there were people who would previously moved outside the state and then moved back so were eligible to vote et cetera. There has been no credible evidence presented at any point of any wrongdoing in an era where we are surrounded by smart phones and citizen journalists.

What is striking over the last 18 hours so is that if you take away the platform — Facebook and Twitter — other norms of journalism which have acted as constitutional bulwarks come back into play.

I do think we could learn a thing or two here from some of these lessons playing out in front of our eyes.
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Trump on 08:34 - Jan 8 with 1735 viewsdistortR

Trump on 07:40 - Jan 8 by Konk

Bucks, This piece from NBC explains why the media weren’t interested in the Hunter Biden laptop story, and why it only gained traction on Conspiracy/Trump-minded social media. When you consider that not even FOX News would touch it, that ought to set alarms ringing as to it’s veracity. Once again, Giuliani has a mountain of explosive evidence, but won’t share it. There are numerous pieces debunking this case on well-established, serious news websites; the one below is from NBC:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1245533


I can't do links, but re: Hunter Biden, and a different point of view, I would recommend looking up the following 2 articles on Scheerpost, which could best be described as 'left wing';

Greenwald - My resignation from 'The Intercept' 29/10/20

There's still no evidence Hunter Biden's Emails are 'Russian disinformation' 16/11/20
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Trump on 08:52 - Jan 8 with 1705 viewsKonk

Trump on 08:34 - Jan 8 by distortR

I can't do links, but re: Hunter Biden, and a different point of view, I would recommend looking up the following 2 articles on Scheerpost, which could best be described as 'left wing';

Greenwald - My resignation from 'The Intercept' 29/10/20

There's still no evidence Hunter Biden's Emails are 'Russian disinformation' 16/11/20


I have no time for Greenwald, whatsoever, I'm afraid. Hunter Biden has obviously financially gained due to his name/connections, just as thousands of people do every day in every country, and whilst that might be unpalatable, it doesn't make his Dad corrupt.

And there might not be any evidence that Hunter Biden's emails are Russian disinformation, but the whole story is hugely problematic in terms of its credibility; hence even Fox News wouldn't touch it, and no-one wanted their byline against the story in the NY Post.

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Trump on 09:54 - Jan 8 with 1631 viewsEsox_Lucius

Trump on 06:20 - Jan 8 by Dixie_CT

Slight aside, Trump is 9/1 to win the next election. Dwayne Johnson aka The Rock is 28/1!

If you smellllllllllllllllllll


I don't think you are allowed to run the country from a cell in a federal prison.

The grass is always greener.

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Trump on 10:04 - Jan 8 with 1607 viewsCamberleyR

Trump on 09:54 - Jan 8 by Esox_Lucius

I don't think you are allowed to run the country from a cell in a federal prison.


Possible talk that he will unprecedentedly pardon himself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html?action=cli

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Trump on 10:16 - Jan 8 with 1578 viewsKonk

Trump on 10:04 - Jan 8 by CamberleyR

Possible talk that he will unprecedentedly pardon himself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html?action=cli


Given no President has ever issued themselves a pre-emptive pardon, there's some debate about whether or not he can do that. I could be wrong, but wouldn't that only cover him for Federal charges and not those brought at State level i.e. any indictments brought by the SDNY?

It would be surprising if he doesn't issue pre-emptive pardons for his family, Guiliani and himself. Given Guiliani's role in fighting the Mafia in NYC, it's really sad seeing what's become of him.

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Trump on 10:37 - Jan 8 with 1541 viewsmarkqpr

Trump on 10:16 - Jan 8 by Konk

Given no President has ever issued themselves a pre-emptive pardon, there's some debate about whether or not he can do that. I could be wrong, but wouldn't that only cover him for Federal charges and not those brought at State level i.e. any indictments brought by the SDNY?

It would be surprising if he doesn't issue pre-emptive pardons for his family, Guiliani and himself. Given Guiliani's role in fighting the Mafia in NYC, it's really sad seeing what's become of him.


Yeah, I used to really like Guiliani, he did an amazing job as mayor of NY. Cracked down on the mafia, was very pro active in improving the poorer inner city areas and was liked and respected by all New Yorkers.

I found it very hard to reconcile that man with the one stood outside the Four Seasons garden centre literally shouting mad bullsh!t at reporters.

He's an absolute disgrace now.
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Trump on 10:37 - Jan 8 with 1541 viewsDixie_CT

Trump on 09:54 - Jan 8 by Esox_Lucius

I don't think you are allowed to run the country from a cell in a federal prison.


What’s Dwayne done now? Rock bottom??

Oh, Donald!
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Trump on 10:41 - Jan 8 with 2598 viewsbosh67

Trump on 10:37 - Jan 8 by markqpr

Yeah, I used to really like Guiliani, he did an amazing job as mayor of NY. Cracked down on the mafia, was very pro active in improving the poorer inner city areas and was liked and respected by all New Yorkers.

I found it very hard to reconcile that man with the one stood outside the Four Seasons garden centre literally shouting mad bullsh!t at reporters.

He's an absolute disgrace now.


Very true. It’s like he’s become a totally different brainwashed man now. He did a lot for New York but his words a few days ago were arguably more divisive than Trump’s.

Never knowingly right.
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Trump on 10:49 - Jan 8 with 2569 viewstraininvain

Trump on 10:04 - Jan 8 by CamberleyR

Possible talk that he will unprecedentedly pardon himself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html?action=cli


Just playing devils advocate here but bringing criminal charges against former Presidents could set a dangerous precedent moving forward.

I wouldn’t be surprised if most presidents have done something which could be deemed criminal (Nixon/Watergate and Bush/Iraq off the top of my head). I’m sure Republicans could point to the actions of Obama (he’s already been accused of spying on Trump) and claim it was criminal.

If they go after Trump once he’s left the White House then it wouldn’t be surprising to see Trump loyalists try to find a way to bring criminal charges against Biden or Harris in future.

I’m not sure what the solution is here as Trump probably deserves it but it could potentially open the floodgates and make the role untenable.
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Trump on 10:51 - Jan 8 with 2503 views2Thomas2Bowles

Guiliani
Maybe Trump has some dirt on him and just made him dirtier.

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Trump on 11:01 - Jan 8 with 2539 viewsPaddyhoops

So Trump has called out the mob for the storming of Capitol.
Its like a man organising a hit job and then saying how terrible they are for carrying it out!!
Bizarre!!
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Trump on 11:02 - Jan 8 with 2538 viewsKonk

Trump on 10:49 - Jan 8 by traininvain

Just playing devils advocate here but bringing criminal charges against former Presidents could set a dangerous precedent moving forward.

I wouldn’t be surprised if most presidents have done something which could be deemed criminal (Nixon/Watergate and Bush/Iraq off the top of my head). I’m sure Republicans could point to the actions of Obama (he’s already been accused of spying on Trump) and claim it was criminal.

If they go after Trump once he’s left the White House then it wouldn’t be surprising to see Trump loyalists try to find a way to bring criminal charges against Biden or Harris in future.

I’m not sure what the solution is here as Trump probably deserves it but it could potentially open the floodgates and make the role untenable.


I get that, but think it’s a far more dangerous precedent for the US to effectively say, the President is completely above the law, and a terrible example for the “leader of the free world” to be engaging in. Unless the US is on a par with some country emerging from a dictatorship/civil war, where you often have to grant immunity to secure a peace. Based on what we know about Trump, it wouldn’t be shocking to discover he’s been a one man crime wave during his time in office. An independent DOJ has to pursue any serious cases that come to light.

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Trump on 12:24 - Jan 8 with 2443 viewswood_hoop

Trump on 11:02 - Jan 8 by Konk

I get that, but think it’s a far more dangerous precedent for the US to effectively say, the President is completely above the law, and a terrible example for the “leader of the free world” to be engaging in. Unless the US is on a par with some country emerging from a dictatorship/civil war, where you often have to grant immunity to secure a peace. Based on what we know about Trump, it wouldn’t be shocking to discover he’s been a one man crime wave during his time in office. An independent DOJ has to pursue any serious cases that come to light.


I think it may be his tax affairs that will get him in the end, dodgy deals are fine but make sure you pay whats due.....
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Trump on 12:32 - Jan 8 with 2416 viewsTW_R

Trump on 11:02 - Jan 8 by Konk

I get that, but think it’s a far more dangerous precedent for the US to effectively say, the President is completely above the law, and a terrible example for the “leader of the free world” to be engaging in. Unless the US is on a par with some country emerging from a dictatorship/civil war, where you often have to grant immunity to secure a peace. Based on what we know about Trump, it wouldn’t be shocking to discover he’s been a one man crime wave during his time in office. An independent DOJ has to pursue any serious cases that come to light.


This is fun reading:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Donald_Trump#All_curren
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Trump on 13:06 - Jan 8 with 2316 views2Thomas2Bowles

NM
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When willl this CV nightmare end
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Trump on 13:08 - Jan 8 with 2363 viewsrrrspricey

Here's the alleged affidavit...doesn't look particularly official for a document of such magnitude.

For balance I've also see a copy where the names are reversed and Trump had stolen votes!

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Trump on 13:29 - Jan 8 with 2296 viewsBklynRanger

Trump on 07:36 - Jan 8 by PlanetHonneywood

Given his behaviour, rhetoric and even the awful way he delivers his speeches, it seems to me that he’s been well and truly got at!


Undoubtedly - possibly by Ivanka. I read a report that she phoned various members of congress yesterday to tell them that a more acceptable statement would be coming out. His inner circle is so fractured now it's not hard to imagine that he's only listening to his kids.

It's normally roughly 48 hours till he goes back off message in a big way - the Charlottesville statement and later rant was a classic example.
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Trump on 14:22 - Jan 8 with 2239 viewsrrrspricey

So as one of the biggest arse saving exercised he now "conceded"



I know he obviously didn't write it but still, the hypocrisy of the man is incredible. We've gone from the China virus to a menacing pandemic and condemning the insurrectionists supporters who just two days before he told how much he loved them and how special they were.

Also bare-faced lies "I immediately deployed the National Guard" errrr no you fcuking didn't.

No apology for the part he played or condolences to the loved ones of those who lost their lives, no admission he lost the election. He looked like a naughty schoolboy who has been made to apologise by his dad when he really doesn't think he's done anything wrong and as usual, is full of self-preservation and little else.
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Trump on 14:29 - Jan 8 with 2228 viewsdistortR

Trump on 08:52 - Jan 8 by Konk

I have no time for Greenwald, whatsoever, I'm afraid. Hunter Biden has obviously financially gained due to his name/connections, just as thousands of people do every day in every country, and whilst that might be unpalatable, it doesn't make his Dad corrupt.

And there might not be any evidence that Hunter Biden's emails are Russian disinformation, but the whole story is hugely problematic in terms of its credibility; hence even Fox News wouldn't touch it, and no-one wanted their byline against the story in the NY Post.


I find elements of the suppression of the story hugely problematic, such as twitter locking the ny post after it posted details of the alleged leak. When People like Chris Hedges ('the ruling elite's war on truth') are questioning what's going on, I believe there is a problem.

I agree that the allegedly leaked info is not particularly harmful to Biden, especially considering the nepotism trump has been guilty of.

I worry about the new culture of removing 'disinformation' from media platforms, as obama recently endorsed doing in a speech, and as is happening. While there is obviously a problem with what you and i would call disinformation regarding covid, who calls disinformation? Our leaders misinform us, we know that.

Key members of facebook and google were among those who put $100m into biden's electoral coffers through PAC's,as referred to in the hedges article. Are they really to be trusted as to what we can and cannot see? for all it's faults, if something is truly unacceptable, surely that should be a matter for the judiciary.

The fact that I detest trump doesn't make me detest biden any less, the chris Hedges article voices my fears in a far more articulate way then I could ever hope too!

edited for a couple of inaccuracies
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Trump on 14:45 - Jan 8 with 2174 viewsBucksRanger

Thought for the day:
The person with the nuclear codes is deemed too dangerous to have a Twitter account.
And the man with dementia is about to inherit them.
But don't worry, he won't remember where he left them.
However, no problem, the Chinese spy-cam in the chandelier will know where he put them.
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Trump on 16:14 - Jan 8 with 2155 viewsPinnerPaul

He's not going to Biden's inauguration now.
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