| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:37 - Feb 9 with 1667 views | jasper_T |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:14 - Feb 9 by londonlisa2001 |
Few short points:
- they haven't invested any money into the club. The piece mentions them saying they spent money generated by the club and more - the 'and more' bit is nonsense. They haven't spent any money other than that generated by the club as they haven't out any additional money in. Not one penny.
- interesting wording on spend 'since they took over'. Interesting to note dates of sale of both Andre Ayew and Ashley Williams that summer... technically before they took over? Not sure. Itvwas roughly the same time. That's £32m of difference right there plus £5m of future signing bonus on Ayew.
- interesting accounting on loans. Saying that the deals for Tammy and Sanches were £12m including fees and wages. But that ignores the savings in wages of players moved out. If, say, we moved Gomis out and Tammy in, we can't include Tammy's wages as a spend without Gomis' wages as a saving. It's back to the old chestnut of Sanches loan fee being £6m. That includes wages, it's not a loan fee. It's just down to whether we pay the player or pay the player's club who then pay the player. It's a spin to call it a fee, as it's not.
As an aside - it's great that Jenkins shows great loyalty to all at the club. I assume they mean apart from the Trust.
It's all in the wording. |
They could have spent more money than the club has generated by using the company credit card/via loans against future earnings. They don't need to invest their own money to spend more than they've got. |  | |  |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:50 - Feb 9 with 1631 views | WarwickHunt |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 17:34 - Feb 9 by monmouth |
It made my eyes bleed and my soul die a little.
Wait until you see the next generation. |
My niece did an English degree at Reading. She expressed surprise when I told her The Great Gatsby
was a novel before it was a film. |  | | |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:52 - Feb 9 with 1623 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:19 - Feb 9 by TheResurrection |
Yeah. Right....
Beauty alert here
So forget the 4 that came in in January who more than played their part including Ayew who now could be worth at least triple. VdH as they mentioned, Mawson, you know, like half the team. |
I'd also call signing Llorente for only 5 million an excellent deal; one that directly offset the Borja disaster.
And while we've missed Llorente's goals this season, selling a 32 year old for a large profit after one year is a pretty good business deal too; especially since it worked out that he probably wouldn't have had anywhere near as much success without Siggy's deliveries and/or in Carvalhal's style. |  |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:03 - Feb 9 with 1579 views | TheResurrection |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:37 - Feb 9 by Shaky |
You should have asked Dim about this, he can knock these things together in 4 minutes gross, including screen grabs and upload time.
Here's my numbers (Source: Transfermarket.com, the web's premier resource tansfer and player blah, blah, blah. Includes Agents fees assumed @10%). Add '17+'18
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Well this is a pile of shit considering info from that interview. |  |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:05 - Feb 9 with 1564 views | shandyjack |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:03 - Feb 9 by TheResurrection |
Well this is a pile of shit considering info from that interview. |
do you fully believe all they stated in the interview res? personally i feel the lay of the land is somewhere in between what they are saying and what we were lead to believe in previous reports. |  |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:07 - Feb 9 with 1557 views | TheResurrection |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:52 - Feb 9 by Tummer_from_Texas |
I'd also call signing Llorente for only 5 million an excellent deal; one that directly offset the Borja disaster.
And while we've missed Llorente's goals this season, selling a 32 year old for a large profit after one year is a pretty good business deal too; especially since it worked out that he probably wouldn't have had anywhere near as much success without Siggy's deliveries and/or in Carvalhal's style. |
Excellent point, well made.
The chances of Wardrobe getting anything like the return he had last season was probably about 66/1. Double carpet. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:14 - Feb 9 with 1532 views | TheCobbler |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:37 - Feb 9 by Shaky |
You should have asked Dim about this, he can knock these things together in 4 minutes gross, including screen grabs and upload time.
Here's my numbers (Source: Transfermarket.com, the web's premier resource tansfer and player blah, blah, blah. Includes Agents fees assumed @10%). Add '17+'18
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About as helpful as a heater in an igloo. Information plucked from thin air and un-reliable sources. | | | |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:15 - Feb 9 with 1530 views | bonymine |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:07 - Feb 9 by TheResurrection |
Excellent point, well made.
The chances of Wardrobe getting anything like the return he had last season was probably about 66/1. Double carpet. |
Double x Double carpet Res... double carpet is 33/1 😉 just saying ! |  |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:23 - Feb 9 with 1513 views | Shaky |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:14 - Feb 9 by TheCobbler |
About as helpful as a heater in an igloo. Information plucked from thin air and un-reliable sources. |
What is in your opinion a credible comprehensive source for transfer market data?
Anyone? |  |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:25 - Feb 9 with 1501 views | TheResurrection |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:05 - Feb 9 by shandyjack |
do you fully believe all they stated in the interview res? personally i feel the lay of the land is somewhere in between what they are saying and what we were lead to believe in previous reports. |
I've long since believed the money we had for Siggy was miles off 45m so I guess I probably do believe that, yes | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:27 - Feb 9 with 1493 views | TheResurrection |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:15 - Feb 9 by bonymine |
Double x Double carpet Res... double carpet is 33/1 😉 just saying ! |
Oh yes. You're quite right. Nice to see you sober old chap 👠| |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:28 - Feb 9 with 1491 views | BlasterJack |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:19 - Feb 9 by TheResurrection |
Yeah. Right....
Beauty alert here
So forget the 4 that came in in January who more than played their part including Ayew who now could be worth at least triple. VdH as they mentioned, Mawson, you know, like half the team. |
So who apart from Mawson, who could we potentially make money on? Possibly VdH on current form although I very much doubt it.
Nice of you to conveniently miss the part where I said financially Christopher.
Are you saying recruitment has been a success?
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:28 - Feb 9 with 1489 views | TheResurrection |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:23 - Feb 9 by Shaky |
What is in your opinion a credible comprehensive source for transfer market data?
Anyone? |
Wikipedia? 😂😂😂 | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:30 - Feb 9 with 1475 views | shandyjack |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:25 - Feb 9 by TheResurrection |
I've long since believed the money we had for Siggy was miles off 45m so I guess I probably do believe that, yes |
fair enough, i was always of the opinion that it would have been around £35 with the rest in add ons.I thought the delay was due to Everton offering too little up from and putting in unrealistic add ons.
For my take, i'm sure they mean well going by what they have said over the interviews they've done since they came in. I don't believe they are all about assist stripping, however i'm not so sure they are willing to learn from recruitment mistakes, we had a dreadful summer window and if they were willing to learn from that then January would have been much better. We've had 3 dreadful windows out of the 4 they've overseen, so my jury is out on them as far as recruitment goes. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:32 - Feb 9 with 1468 views | shandyjack |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:28 - Feb 9 by BlasterJack |
So who apart from Mawson, who could we potentially make money on? Possibly VdH on current form although I very much doubt it.
Nice of you to conveniently miss the part where I said financially Christopher.
Are you saying recruitment has been a success?
You're the beaut if you think so. |
i'd say Carrol,Ayew and Ollsen would go for more than what we brought them in for if clubs wanted to buy them now. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:34 - Feb 9 with 1451 views | Shaky |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:14 - Feb 9 by TheCobbler |
About as helpful as a heater in an igloo. Information plucked from thin air and un-reliable sources. |
BTW hi Dim, nice hat you're waaring tonight. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:35 - Feb 9 with 1445 views | TheResurrection |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:28 - Feb 9 by BlasterJack |
So who apart from Mawson, who could we potentially make money on? Possibly VdH on current form although I very much doubt it.
Nice of you to conveniently miss the part where I said financially Christopher.
Are you saying recruitment has been a success?
You're the beaut if you think so. |
I think our recruitment in terms of profit and loss would very much be in profit, so yeah, on the whole I'd say it's successful.
We've had one or two, especially of late which has got everyone's knickers in a twist but then it's convenient and easy to forget the ones that have gone well.
You'd be surprised how much our squad is worth, it's quite substantial.
Fab
Ayew X 2
Mawson
Fede
VdH
Clucas
You could argue a £100m right there.
Siggy,, Llorente, Ayew, Bony, Shelvey, Cork all went for huge profit.
If you apply balance to your thinking you'd see a lot more. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:36 - Feb 9 with 1442 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:37 - Feb 9 by jasper_T |
They could have spent more money than the club has generated by using the company credit card/via loans against future earnings. They don't need to invest their own money to spend more than they've got. |
Indeed. It's still money generated by the club though. | | | |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:39 - Feb 9 with 1432 views | shandyjack |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:35 - Feb 9 by TheResurrection |
I think our recruitment in terms of profit and loss would very much be in profit, so yeah, on the whole I'd say it's successful.
We've had one or two, especially of late which has got everyone's knickers in a twist but then it's convenient and easy to forget the ones that have gone well.
You'd be surprised how much our squad is worth, it's quite substantial.
Fab
Ayew X 2
Mawson
Fede
VdH
Clucas
You could argue a £100m right there.
Siggy,, Llorente, Ayew, Bony, Shelvey, Cork all went for huge profit.
If you apply balance to your thinking you'd see a lot more. |
i'll take a stab at current value if sold today, of these without knowing ins and outs of time left on contract
Fab - £15m
A Ayew £18m
J Ayew £15m
Mawson £25-30m
Fede £10m
VDH £8-10M
Clucas £12-15m | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:40 - Feb 9 with 1425 views | TheResurrection |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:30 - Feb 9 by shandyjack |
fair enough, i was always of the opinion that it would have been around £35 with the rest in add ons.I thought the delay was due to Everton offering too little up from and putting in unrealistic add ons.
For my take, i'm sure they mean well going by what they have said over the interviews they've done since they came in. I don't believe they are all about assist stripping, however i'm not so sure they are willing to learn from recruitment mistakes, we had a dreadful summer window and if they were willing to learn from that then January would have been much better. We've had 3 dreadful windows out of the 4 they've overseen, so my jury is out on them as far as recruitment goes. |
I don't think the summer was dreadful at all. I think Clement made it look like that.
Bony is a massive shame and bad luck, yeah you could argue this was predicted but that's still using the beauty of hindsight. There were times when he looked just what we needed.
I also think we could've got more from Tammy and Sanches, we have got more from using different systems already, we've got more from Clucas and Ayew of late so if all this had been applied from August we'd never know. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:42 - Feb 9 with 1419 views | TheResurrection |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:36 - Feb 9 by londonlisa2001 |
Indeed. It's still money generated by the club though. |
Which is good and the only way right now so you shouldn't be making it out to sound negative. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:44 - Feb 9 with 1406 views | shandyjack |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:40 - Feb 9 by TheResurrection |
I don't think the summer was dreadful at all. I think Clement made it look like that.
Bony is a massive shame and bad luck, yeah you could argue this was predicted but that's still using the beauty of hindsight. There were times when he looked just what we needed.
I also think we could've got more from Tammy and Sanches, we have got more from using different systems already, we've got more from Clucas and Ayew of late so if all this had been applied from August we'd never know. |
i'm talking more in terms of the glaring gaps in the squad, going into the season with only Rangel as a back up FB was crazy, luckily Roberts has stepped up now. Mesa was a disaster, we needed a creative player in and Sanches was too young and inexperienced to rely upon to provide this.
But i was always of the belief the squad overall was better than PC was getting out of them. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:52 - Feb 9 with 1378 views | BlasterJack |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:35 - Feb 9 by TheResurrection |
I think our recruitment in terms of profit and loss would very much be in profit, so yeah, on the whole I'd say it's successful.
We've had one or two, especially of late which has got everyone's knickers in a twist but then it's convenient and easy to forget the ones that have gone well.
You'd be surprised how much our squad is worth, it's quite substantial.
Fab
Ayew X 2
Mawson
Fede
VdH
Clucas
You could argue a £100m right there.
Siggy,, Llorente, Ayew, Bony, Shelvey, Cork all went for huge profit.
If you apply balance to your thinking you'd see a lot more. |
A huge profit at a time when player prices have been rising at an extraordinary rate.
They went for profit because of the market, nothing more.
Our squad value is high because of the stupid prices being paid for bang average players, nothing to do with smart purchases. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:56 - Feb 9 with 1364 views | Shaky |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 18:37 - Feb 9 by jasper_T |
They could have spent more money than the club has generated by using the company credit card/via loans against future earnings. They don't need to invest their own money to spend more than they've got. |
They have already done that, by borrowing from working capital rather than banks. Heavily.
Other than that Swansea have clearly sold well and have made considerable profits on players over the past few years.
But how has that profit been invested?
Just look at the overall quality of the squad. And sure there are players in there that have gone up in value. But it is a rising - some would overheating - market, and everybody looks like a genius in that sort of environemnt. | |
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| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:59 - Feb 9 with 1348 views | Shaky |
| Guardian interview with Levien and Kaplan on 19:52 - Feb 9 by BlasterJack |
A huge profit at a time when player prices have been rising at an extraordinary rate.
They went for profit because of the market, nothing more.
Our squad value is high because of the stupid prices being paid for bang average players, nothing to do with smart purchases. |
Bingo. | |
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