| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng 13:32 - Jan 19 with 11023 views | koreanswan |
This is not a post to blindly defend a fellow Korean but I was quite disappointed last night to hear the Swans fans beginning to get onto Ki's back and then also the local press scoring him so low and commenting on how bad he was.
I can see when Ki has a bad match. Against Sunderland with the team down to 10 men as an experienced international he should have helped hold the team together but he had a bad match and played his part (along with the ref and some other players) in a bad defeat. On the day he was very poor.
The home game before this however he got the winning goal and then last night he set up the winning goal. Two huge contributions which could help keep the Swans in the Premier League.
What I don't understand is why he is judged so harshly when other midfielders like Cork are not and Leon is lauded as world class?
Last night I looked through various reports from Sky, Goal.com, Mirror and all had Ki with the same or better rating than Cork and most had him level with Britton yet on here and in local Swansea media he is being destroyed and his effort questioned?
I know that Ki has played injured for Swansea and also played matches without much rest after long haul flights and does everything the coach and the backroom team ask for him. It is not his game to go into tackles which are 60/40 against him. it's his job to keep the ball and he's got the second highest pass % in the league this year (higher than Leon despite the fact Ki plays more dangerous passes).
This is not trying to say he is better than Leon or Cork or anyone else. All three are different players with different attributes and make a good midfield.
I just feel as the clubs player of the year in the clubs greatest ever season he deserves a little bit more respect from the fans and local media. |  | | |  |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:59 - Jan 19 with 1432 views | Highjack |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:40 - Jan 19 by koreanswan |
That is reasonable.
Maybe in the current climate of the team he should be going into tackles which are pretty stupid to get involved in just to try and keep the fans on side with the team.
In Korea it is viewed as stupid to get involved in 50/50 tackles about 70 yards from your own goal and 40 yards from the oppositions when their is nothing really to be won by doing so.
I guess it might be a culture thing too. I just feel he has been very harshly criticized for not an awful lot.
All the criticism is all subjective as well... "Not involved", "gives the ball away", "lacks effort, "lethargic"... All these things are not backed up at all by stats. |
That probably explains why the Korean league is so sh ite and only watched by about 12 people.
In the premier league you have to have all 14 players committed and working for each other as a unit. Ki certainly did this last season but has not this season. We know he's capable of being one of the best all round midfielders in the division so the frustration boils down to him not being anywhere as effective as he can be. |  |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:00 - Jan 19 with 1432 views | skippyjack |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:52 - Jan 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
I don't know what game you were watching, but it wasn't the same one as me.
In the first half he made a very poor, lazy pass that put through their attacker.
In the second half he hardly made ANY tackles or blocks let alone 50/50 ones.
He has been playing like this since the Internationals and it is no where near as good as he was playing when he was rated player of the year or even as good as he plays for Korea.
If you don't believe me, take a look at the second half stats when he was on the left hand side and Ash was having to make header clearance after header clearance because Ki was not stopping the ball coming in.
This poor run of "defending" form has been going on for months and is getting worse.
When a club is in our position and we have our backs to the wall defending, a midfield player that is not putting in Tackles and Blocks is a luxury we can't afford. |
Try and tell Yogi the stats.. Ki did not stop Wattford's supply efficiently.. and Sunderlands.. yet Cork and Britton made plenty of interceptions throughout the match.. |  |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:03 - Jan 19 with 1419 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:49 - Jan 19 by yogibear_412 |
Ki is the best midfielder we got. Fact. He's box to box, and can play in any position in midfield.
I was saying to my mate that Ki gets 300% more grief from the crowd than any other player in that side. It grows as well - what started as a few moans ended up being hundreds yelling "kiiiiiiiii" whenever he lost possession. Last night he was getting grief for apparently dodging tackles...sometimes he was never near the ball or player to make a tackle!
There were plenty of other instances when players shirked tackles or mis placed passes and hardly nowt was uttered.
Support him because he can do what the rest of our midfield can't. |
You have a very "rosy" view of mr Ki, He may go box to box but this year he has done very little else other than run from box to box.
Have you ever thought how so many fans can be at odds with your view? | | | |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:05 - Jan 19 with 1409 views | trampie |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:51 - Jan 19 by koreanswan |
Yes he was more help to Watford than Swansea.
He set up the only goal of the game?
You see how ridiculous this post is and again leads me to wonder why so much hate?
It's bizarre. |
I don't hate, I just call a spade a spade, you must be biased because Ki was a liability last night, so bad I kept thinking is he doing a Shelvey, he was that uncommitted, I hope its just a couple of poor games from him but i'm worried as the level of effort seemed to me was virtually non existent from him which is not a natural trait of Ki's game, I will be watching closely if he is selected on the weekend. |  |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:05 - Jan 19 with 1408 views | Bloodyhills |
I don't imagine that any of us laud Britton as world class but Leon is a great professional who will bust a gut for the team/club.
I thought Ki had an OK game yesterday but he was a little slow in decision making at times and generally doesn't go in for 50/50 tackles. I know he's not the sort of player who does go in for them but when we find ourselves in dire straights everybody needs to fight for every scrap and not seeing Ki do this this annoys some.
I appreciate what Ki does bring though sometimes wish we had a hardman, ball winner in the middle of the park so that midfielder like Sigi and Ki can flourish. | |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:06 - Jan 19 with 1405 views | Oldjack |
OP , i like Ki ,on his day he is a class act ,any faults he may have i've no doubt Frank will sort out ,
form is temporary class is for life ,
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:07 - Jan 19 with 1401 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:40 - Jan 19 by koreanswan |
That is reasonable.
Maybe in the current climate of the team he should be going into tackles which are pretty stupid to get involved in just to try and keep the fans on side with the team.
In Korea it is viewed as stupid to get involved in 50/50 tackles about 70 yards from your own goal and 40 yards from the oppositions when their is nothing really to be won by doing so.
I guess it might be a culture thing too. I just feel he has been very harshly criticized for not an awful lot.
All the criticism is all subjective as well... "Not involved", "gives the ball away", "lacks effort, "lethargic"... All these things are not backed up at all by stats. |
Sorry, but this say's it all "n Korea it is viewed as stupid to get involved in 50/50 tackles about 70 yards from your own goal and 40 yards from the oppositions when their is nothing really to be won by doing so. "
It is called "Possession", the opposition cannot attack you and score when you have the ball.
They also can't mount a fast devistating attack when the Ball is in Row Z.
You just do not get it. | | | |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:08 - Jan 19 with 1393 views | skippyjack |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:05 - Jan 19 by trampie |
I don't hate, I just call a spade a spade, you must be biased because Ki was a liability last night, so bad I kept thinking is he doing a Shelvey, he was that uncommitted, I hope its just a couple of poor games from him but i'm worried as the level of effort seemed to me was virtually non existent from him which is not a natural trait of Ki's game, I will be watching closely if he is selected on the weekend. |
He put in a shift.. no doubt about it.. covered more ground than Leon, and done very well breaking up Watford.. but he was naive in the tackle, got confused with his position in the 2nd half.
By breaking up, i mean dragging Ben Watson and Capoue out of position, time and time again.. in the 2nd half Watford pushed up and Ki got a bit confused and exposed. [Post edited 19 Jan 2016 14:11]
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:09 - Jan 19 with 1389 views | vetchonian |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:05 - Jan 19 by Bloodyhills |
I don't imagine that any of us laud Britton as world class but Leon is a great professional who will bust a gut for the team/club.
I thought Ki had an OK game yesterday but he was a little slow in decision making at times and generally doesn't go in for 50/50 tackles. I know he's not the sort of player who does go in for them but when we find ourselves in dire straights everybody needs to fight for every scrap and not seeing Ki do this this annoys some.
I appreciate what Ki does bring though sometimes wish we had a hardman, ball winner in the middle of the park so that midfielder like Sigi and Ki can flourish. |
When was the last time we had a midfielder like that? The closest I can think of is now at Bolton | |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:15 - Jan 19 with 1354 views | trampie |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:06 - Jan 19 by Oldjack |
OP , i like Ki ,on his day he is a class act ,any faults he may have i've no doubt Frank will sort out ,
form is temporary class is for life ,
stay lucky |
I like Ki as well on his day he is a good player, weighing everything up alarm bells are sounding as regards Ki for me, his performance was Shelveyesque. | |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:22 - Jan 19 with 1328 views | marchamjack |
Not someone I'd like to be in the trenches with me (is this a very British thing?) and we are currently in the trenches in a football sense.
By no means a bad player at all, but currently looking more and more like the player he was before we loaned him out to Sunderland. I thought he had certainly improved for a good time when he initially came back, but heading again in the wrong direction for me.
I would take a fit JdG over him any day in our current plight.
I think he makes it into the team atm as we really don't have better on the bench to replace him. Otherwise I'd bench him now and would certainly have subbed him off first last night.
Not writing him off, but was the worst player on the park for us last night and his low player score was merited in my view. |  |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:24 - Jan 19 with 1320 views | shandyjack |
he was poor last night, bar the assist, he bottled out of very 50/50 |  |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:26 - Jan 19 with 1317 views | vetchonian |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:15 - Jan 19 by trampie |
I like Ki as well on his day he is a good player, weighing everything up alarm bells are sounding as regards Ki for me, his performance was Shelveyesque. |
Now he wasn't that bad!
To answer the OP Leon is now a legend at Swansea and last night put in yet another great shift. The way Leon hoovers up the ball when it is lost always makes him self available for the ball and last night even found himself in the Watford area!.
Ki has talent but at the moment we also need graft and last night he didn't put a foot in and was easily "pushed" off the ball BUT we all have off days/weeks at work its just at the moment we cannot afford for our players not to be firing on all cylinders.
Off subject a little,regarding Leon it will always be hard to find a "like for like" replacement as he was "converted " to this role from a winger and therefore has some differing skills and thinking to a traditional Defensive midfielder Like Jack Cork..who does well most of the time. | |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:27 - Jan 19 with 1305 views | shandyjack |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:49 - Jan 19 by yogibear_412 |
Ki is the best midfielder we got. Fact. He's box to box, and can play in any position in midfield.
I was saying to my mate that Ki gets 300% more grief from the crowd than any other player in that side. It grows as well - what started as a few moans ended up being hundreds yelling "kiiiiiiiii" whenever he lost possession. Last night he was getting grief for apparently dodging tackles...sometimes he was never near the ball or player to make a tackle!
There were plenty of other instances when players shirked tackles or mis placed passes and hardly nowt was uttered.
Support him because he can do what the rest of our midfield can't. |
Ki is not the best midfielder we have got FACT | |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:29 - Jan 19 with 1295 views | ItchySphincter |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:37 - Jan 19 by Pegojack |
I agree with a lot of what you say, but you must realise that we are in a desperate position and Swans fans have short tempers at the moment.
Ki did really well to create the goal, but as he tired in the second half, he made several wrong decisions which lost possession. He also shirked two or three 50/50 (not 60/40) tackles, which again the Swans fans didn't like.
Just remember the saying "Form is temporary, class is permanent". He still has a big part to play. |
Well I disagree. He's always lacked a set off balls and strolls around thinking he's better than he is. His workrate and vision is poor and I struggle to think of a Swans player I've liked less. Maybe Canas. He brings absolutely f*ck all to the party. [Post edited 19 Jan 2016 14:38]
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:31 - Jan 19 with 1226 views | DafyddHuw |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:46 - Jan 19 by koreanswan |
I don't think it's fair to criticize someone for giving away the ball in the OPPOSITIONS box! You have to give people a bit of freedom 100 yards from their own goal to try things and not worry about losing a goal.
As I said earlier Leon gave it away on the halfway line stupidly and it nearly led to a goal yet this isn't brought up (nor should it be as he had a good game). It just shows my point though that Ki seems to be more harshly judged. |
I see what the problem is. You've come onto Planet Swans expecting sense.
Just ignore all these jokers, mate. 99% know feck-all about football and just repeat what the majority says so that nobody points and laughs at them.
Ki is class. He's below par at the moment, but form is temporary etc. About 13/14 clubs in the Prem would love to have Ki at their club. We're lucky to have him. He'll come good again. Just sit back and enjoy him whilst he's here. When he goes the fückwits on here will agree what a gem he was, assuming thet their "leaders" on here think the same way.
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:35 - Jan 19 with 1208 views | Loyal |
He keeps bottling challenges, thats the problem, nothing more. |  |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:36 - Jan 19 with 1193 views | vetchonian |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:31 - Jan 19 by DafyddHuw |
I see what the problem is. You've come onto Planet Swans expecting sense.
Just ignore all these jokers, mate. 99% know feck-all about football and just repeat what the majority says so that nobody points and laughs at them.
Ki is class. He's below par at the moment, but form is temporary etc. About 13/14 clubs in the Prem would love to have Ki at their club. We're lucky to have him. He'll come good again. Just sit back and enjoy him whilst he's here. When he goes the fückwits on here will agree what a gem he was, assuming thet their "leaders" on here think the same way.
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plenty of sense on here though most of it of the non type | |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:40 - Jan 19 with 1166 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 13:49 - Jan 19 by yogibear_412 |
Ki is the best midfielder we got. Fact. He's box to box, and can play in any position in midfield.
I was saying to my mate that Ki gets 300% more grief from the crowd than any other player in that side. It grows as well - what started as a few moans ended up being hundreds yelling "kiiiiiiiii" whenever he lost possession. Last night he was getting grief for apparently dodging tackles...sometimes he was never near the ball or player to make a tackle!
There were plenty of other instances when players shirked tackles or mis placed passes and hardly nowt was uttered.
Support him because he can do what the rest of our midfield can't. |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:40 - Jan 19 with 1166 views | getcarter |
KI is class | | | |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:40 - Jan 19 with 1166 views | ItchySphincter |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:31 - Jan 19 by DafyddHuw |
I see what the problem is. You've come onto Planet Swans expecting sense.
Just ignore all these jokers, mate. 99% know feck-all about football and just repeat what the majority says so that nobody points and laughs at them.
Ki is class. He's below par at the moment, but form is temporary etc. About 13/14 clubs in the Prem would love to have Ki at their club. We're lucky to have him. He'll come good again. Just sit back and enjoy him whilst he's here. When he goes the fückwits on here will agree what a gem he was, assuming thet their "leaders" on here think the same way.
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We are where we are because too many of our players are playing like Ki. The penny's dropped for most of them now though so hopefully they'll dig us out while the wonderful Ki carries on being crap. [Post edited 19 Jan 2016 15:27]
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:40 - Jan 19 with 1166 views | jasper_T |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:22 - Jan 19 by marchamjack |
Not someone I'd like to be in the trenches with me (is this a very British thing?) and we are currently in the trenches in a football sense.
By no means a bad player at all, but currently looking more and more like the player he was before we loaned him out to Sunderland. I thought he had certainly improved for a good time when he initially came back, but heading again in the wrong direction for me.
I would take a fit JdG over him any day in our current plight.
I think he makes it into the team atm as we really don't have better on the bench to replace him. Otherwise I'd bench him now and would certainly have subbed him off first last night.
Not writing him off, but was the worst player on the park for us last night and his low player score was merited in my view. |
The problem with the second half last night was that the team retreated into the trenches instead of controlling the game like they did in the first.
Whether it's because most of them didn't have the legs to keep it going, or just the negative mentality of the club at the moment idk. | | | |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:44 - Jan 19 with 1146 views | TheArtChappy |
I find he gets knocked off the ball too easy | |
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| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:45 - Jan 19 with 1139 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:31 - Jan 19 by DafyddHuw |
I see what the problem is. You've come onto Planet Swans expecting sense.
Just ignore all these jokers, mate. 99% know feck-all about football and just repeat what the majority says so that nobody points and laughs at them.
Ki is class. He's below par at the moment, but form is temporary etc. About 13/14 clubs in the Prem would love to have Ki at their club. We're lucky to have him. He'll come good again. Just sit back and enjoy him whilst he's here. When he goes the fückwits on here will agree what a gem he was, assuming thet their "leaders" on here think the same way.
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"About 13/14 clubs in the Prem would love to have Ki at their club.", make that the teams between 4th position and 15th, ie about 11 teams.
They either don't need him because they have better (top 4) or they would like him because they are not in a Relegation battle at the moment and he might improve their squad.
But you know so much more than all the other fans, so we must all be wrong. | | | |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:45 - Jan 19 with 1139 views | skippyjack |
| The Unfair IMO Criticism Of Ki Sung Yueng on 14:40 - Jan 19 by jasper_T |
The problem with the second half last night was that the team retreated into the trenches instead of controlling the game like they did in the first.
Whether it's because most of them didn't have the legs to keep it going, or just the negative mentality of the club at the moment idk. |
Because Watford squeezed up for the 2nd half.. We had no Forward to hold the ball up.. and we had no pace upfront, until Barrow came on.
This is why we need a few more signings with pace.. plus our fullbacks are a bit iffy in that system we played. | |
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