| Why do we play this way 20:25 - Oct 18 with 2671 views | onehunglow |
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| Why do we play this way on 22:36 - Oct 18 with 1641 views | KeithHaynes |
Apparently it wins games 💠|  |
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| Why do we play this way on 22:39 - Oct 18 with 1621 views | raynor94 |
Games last 90 minutes |  |
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| Why do we play this way on 22:54 - Oct 18 with 1546 views | Boundy |
| Why do we play this way on 22:39 - Oct 18 by raynor94 |
Games last 90 minutes |
But not patience | |
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| Why do we play this way on 10:45 - Oct 19 with 1317 views | lifelong |
🙄 Innit. |  | | |
| Why do we play this way on 10:59 - Oct 19 with 1301 views | jack247 |
What do you think happened? The first goal came from a corner which was won with eight of our players in their final third, the second had every outfield player from both teams in their half and even the third, when the game had opened up happened with them defending deep and us trying to pass our way to a shooting opportunity.
I’m all for going direct and we did last night after the second and particularly third, but we weren’t direct for any of our goals. | | | |
| Why do we play this way on 11:01 - Oct 19 with 1295 views | onehunglow |
| Why do we play this way on 10:59 - Oct 19 by jack247 |
What do you think happened? The first goal came from a corner which was won with eight of our players in their final third, the second had every outfield player from both teams in their half and even the third, when the game had opened up happened with them defending deep and us trying to pass our way to a shooting opportunity.
I’m all for going direct and we did last night after the second and particularly third, but we weren’t direct for any of our goals. |
Well I disagree.
First thoug,thanks for at least remaining civil.many can’t
We WERE direct . First from a corner
Second from a shot at goal when at other times we d have looked for another pass
Third goal,absolutely direct and from distance
Why don’t we shoot at goals more. We can do it and last night we did it.
This is debate and thanks 247 | |
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| Why do we play this way on 11:07 - Oct 19 with 1290 views | jack247 |
| Why do we play this way on 11:01 - Oct 19 by onehunglow |
Well I disagree.
First thoug,thanks for at least remaining civil.many can’t
We WERE direct . First from a corner
Second from a shot at goal when at other times we d have looked for another pass
Third goal,absolutely direct and from distance
Why don’t we shoot at goals more. We can do it and last night we did it.
This is debate and thanks 247 |
Yes, no need to get personal with anyone, I agree.
The build up wasn’t direct for any of the goals. No quick transitions through midfield, no long balls for Obafemi to chase. Both teams were camped around Readings area when we won the initial corner and scored the other two goals. | | | |
| Why do we play this way on 11:11 - Oct 19 with 1279 views | onehunglow |
| Why do we play this way on 11:07 - Oct 19 by jack247 |
Yes, no need to get personal with anyone, I agree.
The build up wasn’t direct for any of the goals. No quick transitions through midfield, no long balls for Obafemi to chase. Both teams were camped around Readings area when we won the initial corner and scored the other two goals. |
I feel relieved now .
Frankly,it’s all rather odd. | |
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| Why do we play this way on 12:03 - Oct 19 with 1222 views | RichardO |
The way we play at home is often dictated by how teams try and set up against us.
Yesterday they dropped off and let us pass the around, the success we had really was a winning a number of corners which given the threat we now have with Cabango and Darling did lead to a goal.
There did seem to be a number of passing opportunities into Cundle, Cooper and Obefemi but they tended to be isolated with heavy numbers around them, would like to see the three a little tighter together and more positive forward runs by Wing Backs giving the player receiving the ball more positive option and would enable us to get numbers into the box.Is this what happened with the changes in the second half.
At times the wings were overload with the option to cross the ball into a box where only one of our players was present.
After our third all change drop deep and let them have the ball, like the second half against Sunderland?
My concern with our set up is we don't allow for players making mistakes we don't have enough cover
Darling mistake, was he fouled maybe but there should be player around them to assist him, while others should be busting gut to get back into the central position to cover the eventual goal scorer.
Similarly Lati stood the winger up for fear of being done for pace, only for winger to have an easy pass to an unmarked play to have clear shot on goal leading to the goal why was this player unmarked coming to the edge of our box.
Is this because of the inexperience in the team or just poor coaching. | | | |
| Why do we play this way on 12:54 - Oct 19 with 1130 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why do we play this way on 22:36 - Oct 18 by KeithHaynes |
Apparently it wins games 💠|
We lost 2-1 in the half we played as the OP referred.
79% possession and nigh on 400 passes, 96% of them short. Just ludicrous.
We won when possession was slashed by 15%, pass count slashed by 25% and long balls increased by 100%. This is what was discussed at half time as the specific changes needed if we were to go on and win the game.
In short, we started playing more direct and akin to what won us games previously. The first half was a complete waste of 45 mins handicapping us needlessly by reverting to Martinball. |  |
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| Why do we play this way on 13:08 - Oct 19 with 1110 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If you had obafemi standing on Sorinolas shoulders they’d probably still be shorter than Andy Carroll. What would be the point of going direct? We were playing a team sitting with 10 men on the 18 yard line and you’re advocating hoof ball? |  |
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| Why do we play this way on 13:15 - Oct 19 with 1090 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why do we play this way on 13:08 - Oct 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If you had obafemi standing on Sorinolas shoulders they’d probably still be shorter than Andy Carroll. What would be the point of going direct? We were playing a team sitting with 10 men on the 18 yard line and you’re advocating hoof ball? |
Long balls doesn’t mean hoofing it.
It means direct. Switching the play, quick balls into the channels, dinks over the top, gambles on through balls etc etc
Ashley Williams was a master of switching the play out to Dyer when teams set up to defend, it moves the opposition out of their rigid positioning, leaving gaps to quickly attack.
This is one of the main reasons long balls doubled in the second half when we brought on Oko Flex who mirrors the attributes of a Nathan Dyer providing a danger out ball.
This notion that anything long must be “hoofed” belongs in the 1980’s. [Post edited 19 Oct 2022 13:24]
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| Why do we play this way on 13:16 - Oct 19 with 1095 views | vetchonian |
| Why do we play this way on 13:08 - Oct 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If you had obafemi standing on Sorinolas shoulders they’d probably still be shorter than Andy Carroll. What would be the point of going direct? We were playing a team sitting with 10 men on the 18 yard line and you’re advocating hoof ball? |
why do people always think long balls means hoofball what Dr P refers to is longer passes not just hoofing the ball aimlessly.
Short needless passes are as bad as hoofball
Sometimes a long pass like Ash used to across the field to Dyer gives you an advantage
And it wouldnt do our defence harm at times if we did just hoof it away to safety. | |
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| Why do we play this way on 13:24 - Oct 19 with 1078 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
“It means direct. Switching the play, quick balls into the channels, dinks over the top, gambles on through balls etc etc”
It’s far more difficult to dink balls over the top or into channels when the defenders are there back organised and waiting. It’s also a lot harder to play through balls through an absolutely packed midfield. They had little interest in pressing us. Content to stay in shape and make us break them down. Chipping the ball into channels or dinking it over the top would have been absolute Childs play for them to deal with. | |
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| Why do we play this way on 13:28 - Oct 19 with 1056 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why do we play this way on 13:24 - Oct 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
“It means direct. Switching the play, quick balls into the channels, dinks over the top, gambles on through balls etc etc”
It’s far more difficult to dink balls over the top or into channels when the defenders are there back organised and waiting. It’s also a lot harder to play through balls through an absolutely packed midfield. They had little interest in pressing us. Content to stay in shape and make us break them down. Chipping the ball into channels or dinking it over the top would have been absolute Childs play for them to deal with. |
That’s why you have to move the opposition out of their rigid positioning to create gaps to attack. You don’t do that by slow and short ponderous passing, as you say it’s easy just to stay in their shape and play on the counter.
You do it with a mixed style where you spring attacks from all angles. Essentially what we did in the second half. If they condense the pitch like the did in the first half put someone on the touch line and ping a 30 yard pass out wide to them, immediately the shape becomes stretched.
Obafemi only needs half a yard of space in behind and you have an opening. It’s no coincidence when we brought on Oko Flex and upper long balls by 100% we won the half 2-0. | |
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| Why do we play this way on 15:02 - Oct 19 with 915 views | GixerJack |
| Why do we play this way on 13:28 - Oct 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s why you have to move the opposition out of their rigid positioning to create gaps to attack. You don’t do that by slow and short ponderous passing, as you say it’s easy just to stay in their shape and play on the counter.
You do it with a mixed style where you spring attacks from all angles. Essentially what we did in the second half. If they condense the pitch like the did in the first half put someone on the touch line and ping a 30 yard pass out wide to them, immediately the shape becomes stretched.
Obafemi only needs half a yard of space in behind and you have an opening. It’s no coincidence when we brought on Oko Flex and upper long balls by 100% we won the half 2-0. |
Isn’t what you’re describing Cooperball??? |  | | |
| Why do we play this way on 15:52 - Oct 19 with 844 views | MrSwerve |
I've no idea why long balls or passes above 2m in height have become looked down upon so much over the last 10 years or so. A long, direct ball diagonally across the field to a winger on a run is just as 'sexy' as 40 passes in a row. I love a mixture of play; short passing - great...what is frustrating is having a style of play where a player is totally open upfield and a player has been coached NOT to ping it forward to him. A mixture of styles is great, especially when a player has options.
This isn't the same as hoofball where a team will literally lump it up to one or two 6 foot + strikers in nearly every single attack. |  |
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| Why do we play this way on 16:03 - Oct 19 with 826 views | jack247 |
| Why do we play this way on 15:52 - Oct 19 by MrSwerve |
I've no idea why long balls or passes above 2m in height have become looked down upon so much over the last 10 years or so. A long, direct ball diagonally across the field to a winger on a run is just as 'sexy' as 40 passes in a row. I love a mixture of play; short passing - great...what is frustrating is having a style of play where a player is totally open upfield and a player has been coached NOT to ping it forward to him. A mixture of styles is great, especially when a player has options.
This isn't the same as hoofball where a team will literally lump it up to one or two 6 foot + strikers in nearly every single attack. |
It’s absolutely fine. As you say, in an ideal world it should be mixed with slower build up play.
The issue last night is it would have been pointless against the way Reading set up. They were defending with 5 spread right across the back and as many behind the ball as possible. We’d have just been giving possession away with very little chance of any reward.
Our three goals last night (if you include the build up that won the corner) were far more reminiscent of the football we were playing before we changed our style. After the second, when Reading threw caution to the wind a bit, we were much more direct and in fairness looked dangerous. | | | |
| Why do we play this way on 16:55 - Oct 19 with 783 views | max936 |
Final score after Ref blew his whistle 3-2 to Swans, another 3 points bagged be happy.
Analysing the game to death on here won't alter that, long balls short balls who cares. the clubs stats people will work out were the game went wrong at the start and what we did right to win it and they'll know what's needed to improve things, like they did when we had that run of wins. |  |
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| Why do we play this way on 17:02 - Oct 19 with 765 views | vetchonian |
| Why do we play this way on 16:55 - Oct 19 by max936 |
Final score after Ref blew his whistle 3-2 to Swans, another 3 points bagged be happy.
Analysing the game to death on here won't alter that, long balls short balls who cares. the clubs stats people will work out were the game went wrong at the start and what we did right to win it and they'll know what's needed to improve things, like they did when we had that run of wins. |
The only stat that counts is the result I agree...lets hope we keep on winning...thats why I and others criticised last season as despite the "domination" of games we lost more than we won.
Another 3 points in the bag another win long may it continue...and as long as as we do I will be happy | |
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| Why do we play this way on 17:06 - Oct 19 with 754 views | vetchonian |
| Why do we play this way on 22:39 - Oct 18 by raynor94 |
Games last 90 minutes |
yet how many have we given away in 90+ minutes? | |
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| Why do we play this way on 17:15 - Oct 19 with 747 views | RichardO |
| Why do we play this way on 17:06 - Oct 19 by vetchonian |
yet how many have we given away in 90+ minutes? |
Could we say that we are now gaining points late on.
Hope we don't got back give away stupid goals away, we leave ourselves open not covering in case of mistake that will always happen even though it was clear what Readings tactics were. | | | |
| Why do we play this way on 17:26 - Oct 19 with 729 views | max936 |
| Why do we play this way on 17:02 - Oct 19 by vetchonian |
The only stat that counts is the result I agree...lets hope we keep on winning...thats why I and others criticised last season as despite the "domination" of games we lost more than we won.
Another 3 points in the bag another win long may it continue...and as long as as we do I will be happy |
We not gonna win every game mind, not even Citeh do that  | |
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| Why do we play this way on 17:28 - Oct 19 with 729 views | GixerJack |
| Why do we play this way on 15:52 - Oct 19 by MrSwerve |
I've no idea why long balls or passes above 2m in height have become looked down upon so much over the last 10 years or so. A long, direct ball diagonally across the field to a winger on a run is just as 'sexy' as 40 passes in a row. I love a mixture of play; short passing - great...what is frustrating is having a style of play where a player is totally open upfield and a player has been coached NOT to ping it forward to him. A mixture of styles is great, especially when a player has options.
This isn't the same as hoofball where a team will literally lump it up to one or two 6 foot + strikers in nearly every single attack. |
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| Why do we play this way on 17:41 - Oct 19 with 717 views | RichardO |
Long pass out of the box to Obafemi, Oko Flex got close to him, 1-2 played and opened Reading up, classic counter attack
Let's not comment of the offside and the poor finish, it was the thought that counted | | | |
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