| Thatcher dead 12:56 - Apr 8 with 93458 views | six_foot_two |
Skynews are are saying Magaret Thatcher has died of a stroke |  | | |  |
| Thatcher dead on 15:53 - Apr 8 with 2319 views | Juzzie |
| Thatcher dead on 15:45 - Apr 8 by WestminsteRs |
That obsession always exist. Through the Right to Buy she made it possible for more people to realise their dream of home ownership. |
Nothing wrong with wanting to own your own home but when people bought cheap off the council then sold at vast profit, it accelerated the property prices beyond their actual worth.
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| Thatcher dead on 15:55 - Apr 8 with 2307 views | stonebridgers |
Does that mean that the One Show wont be on tonight as they will be doing a tribute to her ? |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 16:00 - Apr 8 with 2274 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Thatcher dead on 15:53 - Apr 8 by Juzzie |
Nothing wrong with wanting to own your own home but when people bought cheap off the council then sold at vast profit, it accelerated the property prices beyond their actual worth.
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Tony Blair spent billions on a war that no one wanted, he has played his part in the deaths of thousands and has put national security at risk for generations to come. If he really cared about people needing affordable housing, he should have spent the money on building new homes.
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| Thatcher dead on 16:01 - Apr 8 with 2280 views | RS44 |
| Thatcher dead on 15:24 - Apr 8 by Juzzie |
Oi! Enough with the insults OK. I've given my opinions which I'm entitled too, right or wrong, in a reasonable manner. I've not resorted to insults and yet you accuse me of being uneducated, take a look in the mirror.
I grew up through her regime (I was 15 when the Falklands war started) so just about remember all the stuff about milk snatching, dustmens strike (rotten rubbish piling up everywhere), miners strike, Leyland strike, firemans strikes and the green godesses, power cuts etc etc.
Yet your response is completely military-based (by the way, I support "our boys" OK). Why bring a military angle into a politcal debate?
Let me guess, your served in the military, yes?
Where did I ever say the soliders were wrong. WHERE? They do a job unconditionally and I think what they do is magnificant under sometimes bizzare orders from politicians who have no military training whatsoever.
You say the soldiers were happy to do their job and defend the islands. If that's the case, I don't see the point of your rant.
You're the one who should hang your head in shame clearly jumping to conclusions that you have no basis on.
edit: when I said about the killing of soldiers, how do you know I was talking just about the British Armed forces? You just jumped to conclusions.
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A rather insulting opinion based on a politically biased view.
Funny you mention the strikes and milk snatching. It's an unfortunate thing in life, however sometimes you have to stop spending beyond your means.
It seems to be a Labour / Left wing policy to spend spend spend and to hell with the consequences, therefore was she actually that wrong to take on the unions at the time? Whilst on the subject of the miners, who do you actually suspect AS was actually looking out for????
MT is an easy target for many left wing working class people. Some on here will be criticising her, yet they were probably not even old enough to remember her, but do these same people hold as much hate towards TB for all his lies?
And reference your point about where did you say anything about British armed forces, well I don't see the point of you commenting on another nations forces? If a country wishes to engage in an act of war with another country then why should MT be held accountable for any loss of life on their side of the fence?
Absolute nonsense.
Ps, no member of the armed forces ever wants to pay the ultimate price, but given a choice over who you would rather liberate or risk your life liberating between a British territory and a foreign Independant nation, there will only ever be 1 answer.
She had more back bone than that ba5tard Blair will ever have
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| Thatcher dead on 16:08 - Apr 8 with 2237 views | ElHoop |
| Thatcher dead on 15:41 - Apr 8 by BrianMcCarthy |
El, you said the place was annoying and the people were mad, which is fairly insulting in my opinion.
Northern Ireland's problems stem from the British Government's mismanagement and abandonment, from the forced plantations which created social, religious and cultural imbalance and inequality up until fairly recently when they declared that the North was finally free to decide its own destiny.
Abandoned as they were, the people of the North had many problems and have done remarkably well to solve as many as they have and to put themselves on a path towards sustained peace.
Like many others I don't believe that the North is part of either GB or the UK, but a part of Ireland. But if that doesn't happen in my lifetime I will still be full of admiration for its people that they succeeded in bringing peace and reconciliation while those that pretended to rule or represent them abandoned them.
Maith sibh, Finney boy.
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That's a somewhat, indeed very much distorted analysis of what i said Brian.
I think that i said that neither the British or the Irish are as mad as the Northern Irish, which seems self-evident to me, having lived through the whole business from a British perspective. I'm not really sure how you can deny that there's madness there somewhere. Hopefully it's gradually becoming water under the bridge and way downstream in history and it will stay that way.
I think that you'll find that most British people found the situation in Northern Ireland very annoying without there being any obvious solution on offer for any length of time. That's how it was. |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:10 - Apr 8 with 2225 views | Juzzie |
| Thatcher dead on 16:01 - Apr 8 by RS44 |
A rather insulting opinion based on a politically biased view.
Funny you mention the strikes and milk snatching. It's an unfortunate thing in life, however sometimes you have to stop spending beyond your means.
It seems to be a Labour / Left wing policy to spend spend spend and to hell with the consequences, therefore was she actually that wrong to take on the unions at the time? Whilst on the subject of the miners, who do you actually suspect AS was actually looking out for????
MT is an easy target for many left wing working class people. Some on here will be criticising her, yet they were probably not even old enough to remember her, but do these same people hold as much hate towards TB for all his lies?
And reference your point about where did you say anything about British armed forces, well I don't see the point of you commenting on another nations forces? If a country wishes to engage in an act of war with another country then why should MT be held accountable for any loss of life on their side of the fence?
Absolute nonsense.
Ps, no member of the armed forces ever wants to pay the ultimate price, but given a choice over who you would rather liberate or risk your life liberating between a British territory and a foreign Independant nation, there will only ever be 1 answer.
She had more back bone than that ba5tard Blair will ever have
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A better reply. No need for insults is there? And I agree with you about her having more backbone than Blair, doesn't necessarily mean she was right though.
I don't have a politically biased view as you claim, again, jumping to another conclusion. I just have opinions, they're not politically motivated. You can pigeon-hole them if you want but don't put words in my mouth.
"And reference your point about where did you say anything about British armed forces, well I don't see the point of you commenting on another nations forces?"
Exactly, YOU don't see the point but that doesn't mean others don't.
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| Thatcher dead on 16:11 - Apr 8 with 2218 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 15:53 - Apr 8 by Juzzie |
Nothing wrong with wanting to own your own home but when people bought cheap off the council then sold at vast profit, it accelerated the property prices beyond their actual worth.
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How?
You buy a property that is worth £100k for £20k you can only sell it for a max of £100k. How do property prices go beyond their ACTUAL worth.
nothing to do with banks / building societys giving money out to any one that asked then ? |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:17 - Apr 8 with 2192 views | scot1963 |
| Thatcher dead on 15:04 - Apr 8 by RS44 |
Behave you pr1ck.
Let me get this right then.... A British territory gets invaded, and she should have done what exactly??? Just sat back and done nothing?
I suppose she should have taken a leaf out of Tony Bliars book and invaded a country that had naff all to do with us solely to suck up to the septics and to help controll oil?
You are clearly one of 2 things. Very un-educated, or just a complete d1ck, and I'm going to opt for the latter.
You say about it killed loads of soldiers, but I can guarantee you here and now,the soldiers that were involved in the Falklands felt they were fighting for something they were trained to do. They were fighting to liberate a British territory and British people against a foreign invader. They did NOT go to their graves defending a country that had absolutely no connection with our country. A country that still does not want our troops there. A country that for whatever way you look at it, is still in no better shape.
Our boys that died in the Falkland died defending and liberating their own. They did not die because of Mr Bliar and Mr Bush's illegal invasion of a Independant nation.
You should hang your head in shame. |
he is neither of those things - just because he has a different point of view from you - it happens to be a fairly commonly held view that a war could have been averted and it suited her purpose not to do so |  | | |
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| Thatcher dead on 16:18 - Apr 8 with 2183 views | finney |
| Thatcher dead on 16:08 - Apr 8 by ElHoop |
That's a somewhat, indeed very much distorted analysis of what i said Brian.
I think that i said that neither the British or the Irish are as mad as the Northern Irish, which seems self-evident to me, having lived through the whole business from a British perspective. I'm not really sure how you can deny that there's madness there somewhere. Hopefully it's gradually becoming water under the bridge and way downstream in history and it will stay that way.
I think that you'll find that most British people found the situation in Northern Ireland very annoying without there being any obvious solution on offer for any length of time. That's how it was. |
Sorry would you stop saying we are a mad race i find that crass sorry but you can not say shite like that unless you have met every single person from Norn Iron |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:18 - Apr 8 with 2170 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Thatcher dead on 16:01 - Apr 8 by RS44 |
A rather insulting opinion based on a politically biased view.
Funny you mention the strikes and milk snatching. It's an unfortunate thing in life, however sometimes you have to stop spending beyond your means.
It seems to be a Labour / Left wing policy to spend spend spend and to hell with the consequences, therefore was she actually that wrong to take on the unions at the time? Whilst on the subject of the miners, who do you actually suspect AS was actually looking out for????
MT is an easy target for many left wing working class people. Some on here will be criticising her, yet they were probably not even old enough to remember her, but do these same people hold as much hate towards TB for all his lies?
And reference your point about where did you say anything about British armed forces, well I don't see the point of you commenting on another nations forces? If a country wishes to engage in an act of war with another country then why should MT be held accountable for any loss of life on their side of the fence?
Absolute nonsense.
Ps, no member of the armed forces ever wants to pay the ultimate price, but given a choice over who you would rather liberate or risk your life liberating between a British territory and a foreign Independant nation, there will only ever be 1 answer.
She had more back bone than that ba5tard Blair will ever have
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She didn't get everything right like the Poll Tax but she took on those unions who had the country by the short and curlies and won. Those unions wouldn't of done any sort of deal with her because she was a Tory and Labour was lining their pockets. They didn't care about the people, they just feathered their own nests.
This country was a mess when she took over, Labour just wanted to keep the working classes in their boxes and have a guaranteed vote. She gave the country back its pride on a global scale. Like her or loathe her, one thing she gave was the sense of it didn't matter if you were born poor, if you were willing to work hard and apply yourself, you could make it. | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:19 - Apr 8 with 2171 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Thatcher dead on 15:52 - Apr 8 by finney |
Brian we can go back many hundreads of years and the blame for what went on in Northern Ireland or Ireland for that matter,
And many of us inc me and i was born there would be none the wiser i have always said as long as people talk and the guns are away that is a path made to real peace.
But with that peace you need an understanding of each other and the fact it is not a green or orange issue but one of fear and culture loss for many as well.
Most i know are in what we call mixed homes they are the silent people who go to work every day bring up their wee ones but yet no one talks about them as they are not the ones pushing hate,but the ones who are showing we have moved on the peace process is working.
The graveyards less busy thank god.
And all the mask men do now is see who sells their drugs for them.
For what it is worth i think that a joint Ireland should be done to the people from Northern Ireland but i also think at this time the south need to sort out their own economic issues first.
But also the fact is respect is the only way real peace will happen and i say that as a prod on the left of things.
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| Thatcher dead on 16:20 - Apr 8 with 2161 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Thatcher dead on 16:08 - Apr 8 by ElHoop |
That's a somewhat, indeed very much distorted analysis of what i said Brian.
I think that i said that neither the British or the Irish are as mad as the Northern Irish, which seems self-evident to me, having lived through the whole business from a British perspective. I'm not really sure how you can deny that there's madness there somewhere. Hopefully it's gradually becoming water under the bridge and way downstream in history and it will stay that way.
I think that you'll find that most British people found the situation in Northern Ireland very annoying without there being any obvious solution on offer for any length of time. That's how it was. |
Madness, as in lunacy, is insulting as far I'm concerned. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 16:21 - Apr 8 with 2656 views | finney |
| Thatcher dead on 16:17 - Apr 8 by scot1963 |
he is neither of those things - just because he has a different point of view from you - it happens to be a fairly commonly held view that a war could have been averted and it suited her purpose not to do so |
Fact of the matter is that war could have been stopped as when the real history comes out will prove.
That said no one should or can defend the leadership of Argentina in them days a brutal government if ever there was one.
For me in that war the saddest headline was the gotcha sun one just plain sick. | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:23 - Apr 8 with 2643 views | ElHoop |
| Thatcher dead on 16:18 - Apr 8 by finney |
Sorry would you stop saying we are a mad race i find that crass sorry but you can not say shite like that unless you have met every single person from Norn Iron |
Oh come on Finney, not every German was a Nazi either and that's a fact.
It was a shit business. It really was madness. | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:23 - Apr 8 with 2641 views | finney |
| Thatcher dead on 16:20 - Apr 8 by BrianMcCarthy |
Madness, as in lunacy, is insulting as far I'm concerned. |
That's what i thought | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:25 - Apr 8 with 2634 views | finney |
| Thatcher dead on 16:23 - Apr 8 by ElHoop |
Oh come on Finney, not every German was a Nazi either and that's a fact.
It was a shit business. It really was madness. |
yes you can call the troubles madness as in how you seen it but to call a race of people mad i think is not on just saying | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:26 - Apr 8 with 2622 views | finney |
| Thatcher dead on 16:19 - Apr 8 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good post, Finney. |
Thanks | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:26 - Apr 8 with 2621 views | ElHoop |
| Thatcher dead on 16:20 - Apr 8 by BrianMcCarthy |
Madness, as in lunacy, is insulting as far I'm concerned. |
Well it didn't look very sane from where I sat, that's my view, that's what this is for isn't it? | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:27 - Apr 8 with 2619 views | QPR_John |
| Thatcher dead on 16:21 - Apr 8 by finney |
Fact of the matter is that war could have been stopped as when the real history comes out will prove.
That said no one should or can defend the leadership of Argentina in them days a brutal government if ever there was one.
For me in that war the saddest headline was the gotcha sun one just plain sick. |
"For me in that war the saddest headline was the gotcha sun one just plain sick"
What rejoicing in the death of a number of people rather than one.
As you seem to know the answer, how could war have been avoided short of leaving Agentina in control of the islands. Unless that is what you meant. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Thatcher dead on 16:32 - Apr 8 with 2584 views | ElHoop |
| Thatcher dead on 16:25 - Apr 8 by finney |
yes you can call the troubles madness as in how you seen it but to call a race of people mad i think is not on just saying |
I said that they were far more mad than the people they claimed to be a part of. If you want to interpret it as being mad in all respects then that's your interpretation. I'm not sure what the 'approved outside perspective' is though. It was odd people doing odd things to each other if that's more acceptable.
Anyhow, it wasn't exactly an environment for producing a high quality political class was it? | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 16:39 - Apr 8 with 2560 views | TacticalR |
| Thatcher dead on 15:53 - Apr 8 by Juzzie |
Nothing wrong with wanting to own your own home but when people bought cheap off the council then sold at vast profit, it accelerated the property prices beyond their actual worth.
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Another factor is that existing assets (houses in this case) were simply transferred, but it's not as though these transfers created new assets. It was simply the transfer of previously created assets.
On a related note...it's interesting that inflation is considered bad, but house price inflation is considered good. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 16:42 - Apr 8 with 2543 views | A40Bosh |
| Thatcher dead on 16:32 - Apr 8 by ElHoop |
I said that they were far more mad than the people they claimed to be a part of. If you want to interpret it as being mad in all respects then that's your interpretation. I'm not sure what the 'approved outside perspective' is though. It was odd people doing odd things to each other if that's more acceptable.
Anyhow, it wasn't exactly an environment for producing a high quality political class was it? |
You wont let the "mad" thing go will you.
Can you at least confirm with Brian and Finney that you are using the word "mad" to define the actual situation, which I agree was "mad" in every sense, as opposed to calling the population mad, which is insulting to the people of Northern Ireland.
The 1000 year history of the geographic island of Ireland leading up to "The Troubles" of our more recent history is way too complex to cover off in a couple of forum posts.
There are always 2 sides to every story, and in the case of NI there are actually probably 3 or 4 sides to the story. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 16:45 - Apr 8 with 2529 views | finney |
| Thatcher dead on 16:27 - Apr 8 by QPR_John |
"For me in that war the saddest headline was the gotcha sun one just plain sick"
What rejoicing in the death of a number of people rather than one.
As you seem to know the answer, how could war have been avoided short of leaving Agentina in control of the islands. Unless that is what you meant. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Our government knew they were planning a raid on the island and we should have beefed up our armed services we did not do that.
which left them open to attack.
Did you miss the bit where i called their government brutal to say i supported them is crass and not true.
I am not rejoicing in anyone's death i hated her but i am allowed to do that,
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| Thatcher dead on 16:47 - Apr 8 with 2512 views | finney |
| Thatcher dead on 16:32 - Apr 8 by ElHoop |
I said that they were far more mad than the people they claimed to be a part of. If you want to interpret it as being mad in all respects then that's your interpretation. I'm not sure what the 'approved outside perspective' is though. It was odd people doing odd things to each other if that's more acceptable.
Anyhow, it wasn't exactly an environment for producing a high quality political class was it? |
I am not sure who you can judge the political class mindset where does that come from?
There was many fine figures who spoke out on the troubles just that bullets had a nasty habit of stopping that | | | |
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