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the rise of house prices is down to the sale of council homes and not building more. The simple fact is you sell don't replace will cause demand and demand means name your price
Also Buy to let, and huge influx of immigration under the last Labour government. Prices went sky rocketing between about 2000-2007 long after Labour took charge and de regulated the banks who started lending like billyow
Fact is that kind of thing - the old style industry was dying it wasn't justifying itself and someone eventually would have had to deal with it. Someone somewhere always has to get the ball rolling, the fact is successive governments have left many of the old mining areas etc to decline, that is a seperate issue.
It's not a separate issue at all. There is a clear argument to be made that the 'coalstack' industries were obsolete and needed updating and/or phasing it. But the way she went about it, with unadulterated glee at the destruction (yes destruction) of swathes of this country, was beyond despicable. She created a trap for the union leaders and they walked straight into it. She despised, genuinely despised anyone who did not agree with her, and took her vengeance out on the communities that did not and never would support her. She was an evil woman.
And she set this country down a path that would lead to the current situation where people cannot afford to buy property but there is not enough social housing, where people cannot find real jobs but get shunted into call centres, where the rich have raced away from everyone else, where employment laws have gone back to a Victorian age, where people are judged solely on how much money they have, where people are set against one another in a fight for jobs and security, and where 'what do I get out of it?' is the first question on everyone's lips.
Also Buy to let, and huge influx of immigration under the last Labour government. Prices went sky rocketing between about 2000-2007 long after Labour took charge and de regulated the banks who started lending like billyow
Funny how when you say anything about thatcher and housing people blame immigration i still say if was about market demand and it was Thatcher who let the banks free to start the greed is good mindset when it all came down around us Labour was in power and i hated Blair but her Government started that mess a long time before Brown and Blair carried it on.
Fact is the greed is good would always have victims and it is also odd that the price people paid for buying their homes was the quick rich move and now their kids and Grandchildren have no chance of a home.
Think you will find alot of the "Me Me Me" thing is human nature really Nadera it's just people are more open about it now. She didn't approve of people spending beyond their means and made it clear in many interviews about how one worked for something then got it, not got it now regardkess. I can see that someone like her a clear over achiever could and did fail to emptahise with people who were not like her, but there again most politicians are like that now and probably then. My parents did quite well out of Thatcher years and many working class people did especially down south. There was a time when the industrial heartlandsa of midlands and the north were wealthier than the south and London but it isn't that way now. Many people have suffered big time in this current recession but to blame to all on Thatcher herself is a nonsense when she'd been gone for many years before it kicked off and we'd have 11 years of Labour government who did f all for these communities, and lets face it wealth isn't really in their interests in the heartlands as it might mean lost votes. Guess we can all argue till the cows come home, I'm not really pro her per sey and as you sayu some did well, some did not, whats interesting is how some people get critiscised when others get away scot free. You think Brown or Blair gave a fck when they opened the gates to eastern europe to flood into homes you say we don't have enough of?
Did they fck. Wonder how many in this country will behave like some did yesterday when they die.
One funny thing is how many on here back the British Falklands yet hate Thatcher. Fairly indifferent to her myself but amazed how little hatred there is towards Blair and Brown in comparison, who've done their utmost - Brown in particular to destroy the country and the living standards etc. How many out of work today???
That's not really true.
I think you'd struggle to put a logical argument for how Brown did his utmost to destroy the country.
Good at his job? No. Liked be people? No. But what specifically did he do to destroy the country. The effects of political decisions take years to really be clear. The economic crash was not his due to his tenure. It was due to economic policies put in pace by Thatcher and then furthre encourage by the greatest Thatcherite of them all, Tony Blair. Brown was actually much more of a redustributionist than either. Maybe in 10 years time you might have some meat on the bone to that comment, but otherwise it's ridiculous.
The thing with Thatcher is that I think history will judge her to have been wrong on more counts that she was right. Her policies on deregulation, housing, the banking sector and destruction of the manufacturing industry (please distinguish this from the mines) have all played a key role in the worst recession in decades and our inability to escape it. Her policies delivered short term gain for those with capital - the same people now, who aren't affected anywhere near as much by the current housing crisis, utility bills, unemployment, etc. It's not surprising why they struggle to see the negative impact of her polices. It's all about the perspective you view her from.
She was undoubtedly right on Europe and for that she should be applauded.
Whilst I think she went too far in the rebalancing, she probably did what was good for the country by redressing the might of the Unions.
In addition she did provide economic prosperity to quite a few, for which I'm sure they're thankful but I believe it was at the expense of the long term problems above.
The Falklands is a actually a bit of an irrelevence. Take away, the flag waving, "we can't have those Argies invading our territory" jingoism of the whole deal and what did it really deliver for the UK? What was it's long term impact on our society and economy?
The answer is very little. The only reason the Falklands issue has any relevance to the UK is it kept her in power when she would definitely have lost that election.
As discussed before, one thing I think she got horribly wrong was the creation of the "everybody in it for themselves", "me" not "us", culture that in the very long term will have a huge impact on the British psyche and British society. I think she had now idea of what the impact of her approach and comments would be. In hindsight I think they were irresponsible and misguided rather than malicious, but history will judge her as responsible for them.
im so called working class and on £20,000 a year after 25 years working so im never going to be rich
except I AM!
THANKS TO HER! and right to buy bought my council flat for £78,000 minus the £50,000 rebate == i paid £28,000 and its now worth £400,000 plus
so thanks maggie RIP
Oh and i never liked school milk so that was no loss and given a choice of thatcher or that tramp foot i knew we made the right choice!
i would have done the same if i was in your postion at the time .the problem is they never reinvested the money in building more homes so now if you have kids they will have a hard time getting a home. short term policys with no eye on the future thatcher was not that good a pm.
Can't believe people are still arguing about sh*t that went down over a quarter of a century ago?
What next, the pros and cons of the Triple Entente?
This is fundamentally what is wrong with the world today, people cant let go of their petty differences and bury the past and look for something positive.
Funny how coal seems to fuel (no pun intended)a lot of this bile.Politicised and romanticised to the hilt.Even the BBC have done an about face with their new politicking and refer to coal as "that filthy cargo".From heroes to zeroes hey?
Loved the comment from George Galloway, you can always rely on him. He says Thatcher can rot in hellfire for her comments about Mandela being a terrorist and all this without a hint of irony from the man who heaped praise on Saddam Hussein. Just love the hypocrisy
Funny how when you say anything about thatcher and housing people blame immigration i still say if was about market demand and it was Thatcher who let the banks free to start the greed is good mindset when it all came down around us Labour was in power and i hated Blair but her Government started that mess a long time before Brown and Blair carried it on.
Fact is the greed is good would always have victims and it is also odd that the price people paid for buying their homes was the quick rich move and now their kids and Grandchildren have no chance of a home.
The morr you let in to any place the fuller it becomes surely? Can this country cope with another 2million arriving on it's doorstep, they need schoolplaces, houses, doctors etc etc.
All this has to be paid for. We do need to build more homes, so what did they do, built loads of tiny flats in places that were not really needed. Houses need to be built and probably alot of it on land thats currently countryside. Brown went ona spending spree like no other we're currently 120 billion in the red and rising, we had some "good timnes" when they started spending, now hard times have hit nothing is in the pot for the rainy day. Everyone is suffering now.
Loved the comment from George Galloway, you can always rely on him. He says Thatcher can rot in hellfire for her comments about Mandela being a terrorist and all this without a hint of irony from the man who heaped praise on Saddam Hussein. Just love the hypocrisy
Loved the comment from George Galloway, you can always rely on him. He says Thatcher can rot in hellfire for her comments about Mandela being a terrorist and all this without a hint of irony from the man who heaped praise on Saddam Hussein. Just love the hypocrisy
He's the political equivalent of Frankie Boyle, just a callous opportunist who says the most controversial thing for maximum publicity. Doesn't have a shred of decency about him.
Today's Gaurdian mentioned in passing that Britain had been contemplating, if not actually negotiating, the sale or lease of the Falklands to Argentina not long before the war. I've never heard this before, does anyone know if there's anything to it?
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Spookily,I was listening to the "Spike" CD that this is taken from yesterday for the first time in probably 10 years, and was idly wondering how much longer EC would have to wait to get the opportunity. As the track ended, I received a text to tell me the good news.
Delighted the malevolent bitch is finally going to burn.
Just curious, it's a war I know little about. All history is water under the bridge, but it's still interesting.
Fair comment. At a time like this I'd be wary of the Guardian, or any newspaper be them right or left for that matter. Thatcher was such a divisive politician that you're unlikely to get a balanced view from any newspaper blog, and anything they publish will just be more trumping up of their own long established opinion of her and her politics.
Fair comment. At a time like this I'd be wary of the Guardian, or any newspaper be them right or left for that matter. Thatcher was such a divisive politician that you're unlikely to get a balanced view from any newspaper blog, and anything they publish will just be more trumping up of their own long established opinion of her and her politics.
Me too. I skipped over a lot of the opinion pieces, though I was surprised to see just how many Tories they interviewed. The Falklands piece was interesting, though.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Today's Gaurdian mentioned in passing that Britain had been contemplating, if not actually negotiating, the sale or lease of the Falklands to Argentina not long before the war. I've never heard this before, does anyone know if there's anything to it?
I doubt that the Falklanders would have put up with that, but there was definitely a lot of opposition to withdrawing the Endurance, by Carrington in particular:
I'd imagine Thatch will have a warship named after her.Maybe the new proposed carrier or one of the Type 26 Global Combat Ships.After all we had the Iron Duke,after another PM.
I'd imagine Thatch will have a warship named after her.Maybe the new proposed carrier or one of the Type 26 Global Combat Ships.After all we had the Iron Duke,after another PM.
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