| Iorwerth on 21:40 - Mar 20 with 741 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Iorwerth on 21:19 - Mar 20 by Whiterockin |
So what has replaced it. |
All the activity of NHS England will be transferred to the Department of Heath, if Streeting reduces the number of strategic health authorities to around a dozen, England will have the same structure as 20 years ago. |  |
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| Iorwerth on 21:48 - Mar 20 with 727 views | Whiterockin |
| Iorwerth on 21:40 - Mar 20 by JACKMANANDBOY |
All the activity of NHS England will be transferred to the Department of Heath, if Streeting reduces the number of strategic health authorities to around a dozen, England will have the same structure as 20 years ago. |
Thanks. |  | | |
| Iorwerth on 22:23 - Mar 20 with 682 views | johnlangy |
| Iorwerth on 20:27 - Mar 20 by Whiterockin |
From what I hear from people in my circle, others may be totally different.
Labour, never again.
Conservatives, can't be trusted.
Plaid, we don't want independence.
Lib Dems, not enough will vote to make a change happen.
Greens, as Lib Dems.
Independents. As Lib Dems.
Reform are gathering momentum and will force a change in Welsh politics. [Post edited 20 Mar 20:28]
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'Plaid, we don't want independence.'
Factually incorrect. At the moment at least 25% do.
And I don't know anyone that plan to vote Reform. Just my circle of course. |  | | |
| Iorwerth on 06:17 - Mar 21 with 622 views | Whiterockin |
| Iorwerth on 22:23 - Mar 20 by johnlangy |
'Plaid, we don't want independence.'
Factually incorrect. At the moment at least 25% do.
And I don't know anyone that plan to vote Reform. Just my circle of course. |
While 61% are opposed to independence, possibly the people I speak to are in the majority and the majority win elections. So factually correct. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 06:20 - Mar 21 with 621 views | Scotia |
| Iorwerth on 20:27 - Mar 20 by Whiterockin |
From what I hear from people in my circle, others may be totally different.
Labour, never again.
Conservatives, can't be trusted.
Plaid, we don't want independence.
Lib Dems, not enough will vote to make a change happen.
Greens, as Lib Dems.
Independents. As Lib Dems.
Reform are gathering momentum and will force a change in Welsh politics. [Post edited 20 Mar 20:28]
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But what are they gathering momentum based on?
The next major elections are the Senedd elections and I do agree that Reform will most likely do well. But based on what? I understand that people are fed up with the status quo and lack of alternative. I've said this several times myself but what alternative are Reform? Nobody knows. So why vote for them in Wales? Nothing says they'll be better at all, just that they're not the same. They could (and I think will) be considerably worse.
What are their policies for Wales?
Who is their Welsh leader?
Who will be their Welsh candidates?
The national party is in disarray.
Attendance and performance of their MP's at Westminster is shocking.
Earlier in this thread somebody called Labour voters thickos. I'd suggest that voting for a party with none of the above is pretty thick really. We're only 14 months from the election we should know a bit about this by now. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 06:25 - Mar 21 with 619 views | Scotia |
| Iorwerth on 19:03 - Mar 20 by SullutaCreturned |
Tha's my point. I don't see many Welsh voters choosing Reform, if they wouldn't vote Tory then Reform is definitely out so maybe they'll choose Plaid Cymru.
Likewise Labour voters who can't vote Labour anymore won't vote Reform either so PC seems like the logical option.
There will be some Welsh people who choose Reform and there'll be those born outside Wales who may choose Reform also but I don't see it in big enough numbers.
Therefore my best guess is a PC/Labour Coalition and the only question is who will be the senior partner? |
I think Labour will lose voters to Reform but I don't think those voters know why they're changing and what they're changing too.
It's looking like it's even between Plaid and Labour in terms of seats won under the new they'll join together and get the Libs and Greens on board if needed.
We could see Rhun as first minister though. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 06:28 - Mar 21 with 617 views | Whiterockin |
| Iorwerth on 06:20 - Mar 21 by Scotia |
But what are they gathering momentum based on?
The next major elections are the Senedd elections and I do agree that Reform will most likely do well. But based on what? I understand that people are fed up with the status quo and lack of alternative. I've said this several times myself but what alternative are Reform? Nobody knows. So why vote for them in Wales? Nothing says they'll be better at all, just that they're not the same. They could (and I think will) be considerably worse.
What are their policies for Wales?
Who is their Welsh leader?
Who will be their Welsh candidates?
The national party is in disarray.
Attendance and performance of their MP's at Westminster is shocking.
Earlier in this thread somebody called Labour voters thickos. I'd suggest that voting for a party with none of the above is pretty thick really. We're only 14 months from the election we should know a bit about this by now. |
It seems that Plaid are fully aware of the challenges they face.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4kgq6w439o | | | |
| Iorwerth on 08:07 - Mar 21 with 571 views | Boundy |
| Iorwerth on 22:23 - Mar 20 by johnlangy |
'Plaid, we don't want independence.'
Factually incorrect. At the moment at least 25% do.
And I don't know anyone that plan to vote Reform. Just my circle of course. |
25% of whom exactly , their voter base or the population? | |
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| Iorwerth on 08:14 - Mar 21 with 567 views | Boundy |
| Iorwerth on 06:20 - Mar 21 by Scotia |
But what are they gathering momentum based on?
The next major elections are the Senedd elections and I do agree that Reform will most likely do well. But based on what? I understand that people are fed up with the status quo and lack of alternative. I've said this several times myself but what alternative are Reform? Nobody knows. So why vote for them in Wales? Nothing says they'll be better at all, just that they're not the same. They could (and I think will) be considerably worse.
What are their policies for Wales?
Who is their Welsh leader?
Who will be their Welsh candidates?
The national party is in disarray.
Attendance and performance of their MP's at Westminster is shocking.
Earlier in this thread somebody called Labour voters thickos. I'd suggest that voting for a party with none of the above is pretty thick really. We're only 14 months from the election we should know a bit about this by now. |
Anyone who continues to vote for a party which has a proven written record of incompetence ,whose policies have made us poorer, less educated less healthier has to be a bit twp or I go as far as calling them certifiably. Imagine if it was the Tories we were discussing, they weren't have had ten let alone 25 years in power. | |
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| Iorwerth on 09:45 - Mar 21 with 507 views | onehunglow |
An independent Wales would see a demand for further independence for north Wales with its capital in Caernarfon , a town that was the choice of all Gogs to be capital prior to Cardiff
A world away
A divided land | |
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| Iorwerth on 10:40 - Mar 21 with 481 views | Scotia |
| Iorwerth on 08:14 - Mar 21 by Boundy |
Anyone who continues to vote for a party which has a proven written record of incompetence ,whose policies have made us poorer, less educated less healthier has to be a bit twp or I go as far as calling them certifiably. Imagine if it was the Tories we were discussing, they weren't have had ten let alone 25 years in power. |
But surely not as twp as somebody planning on voting for a party with no relevant policies or leader?
What are you voting for? | | | |
| Iorwerth on 10:43 - Mar 21 with 481 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Iorwerth on 20:49 - Mar 20 by Whiterockin |
Currently 23% think differently. |
The other 77% know the score …..
Protect our welsh NHS, reject posh boy Farage. |  |
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| Iorwerth on 11:09 - Mar 21 with 474 views | raynor94 |
| Iorwerth on 18:41 - Mar 20 by Scotia |
What would a Reform voter in Wales be voting for? |
To take members from Labour, plain and simple |  |
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| Iorwerth on 11:29 - Mar 21 with 471 views | onehunglow |
| Iorwerth on 10:43 - Mar 21 by Kilkennyjack |
The other 77% know the score …..
Protect our welsh NHS, reject posh boy Farage. |
Was in Monmouth recently
Plenty of posh there
Welsh too | |
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| Iorwerth on 13:21 - Mar 21 with 443 views | Boundy |
| Iorwerth on 10:40 - Mar 21 by Scotia |
But surely not as twp as somebody planning on voting for a party with no relevant policies or leader?
What are you voting for? |
Change , something this country is desperate for , yourself ? | |
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| Iorwerth on 16:51 - Mar 21 with 359 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Reform is a dependent of UKIP and Brexit Parties and are responsible for the Brexit disaster. Farage was even backed.by Trump to leave the EU and trade with USA who have hit UK with swinging tariffs despite a even balance of payments.
No comprehensive trade deal was made. Described as easy we are still waiting after 9 years. The British voter must have bought the line that Brexit did not work because " it was not done properly". Yeah right.
Brexit replace young European workers with Asian families. That was always in the Brexit manifesto.
Reform are a disaster. |  |
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| Iorwerth on 16:55 - Mar 21 with 360 views | Scotia |
| Iorwerth on 13:21 - Mar 21 by Boundy |
Change , something this country is desperate for , yourself ? |
But what change?
I'm desperate for change, but I want to know what I'm voting for. Absolutely nobody saying they'll vote reform at next Senedd election does. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:04 - Mar 21 with 332 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Iorwerth on 10:40 - Mar 21 by Scotia |
But surely not as twp as somebody planning on voting for a party with no relevant policies or leader?
What are you voting for? |
This has been my point all the way through this thread. Labour are useless and Reform have nothing knowingly worth voting for apart from mindlessly saying "we will be different" and this is why I think Plaid have a chance.
Plaid have clear policies, I think some are fairly undeliverable (such as fair funding for Wales and getting the HS2 consequential) but they are clear. People know what they stand for which is a lot more than Reform can say. and then we've had 25 years of Labour... | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:06 - Mar 21 with 332 views | Gwyn737 |
| Iorwerth on 16:55 - Mar 21 by Scotia |
But what change?
I'm desperate for change, but I want to know what I'm voting for. Absolutely nobody saying they'll vote reform at next Senedd election does. |
And the irony of those talking about sheep who vote Labour no matter what simultaneously saying they’ll vote for Reform no matter what.
Surely the right thing to do is to say to Reform that you’d like to vote for them, but could you have something to vote for? | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:10 - Mar 21 with 322 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Iorwerth on 17:06 - Mar 21 by Gwyn737 |
And the irony of those talking about sheep who vote Labour no matter what simultaneously saying they’ll vote for Reform no matter what.
Surely the right thing to do is to say to Reform that you’d like to vote for them, but could you have something to vote for? |
That's the secret isn't it, ask the right quetions, make the right statements.
Simply saying not labour, not tory so reform when they have no clear policy, it's the blind leading the dumb.
I'm not saying I'm not dumb but I cannot vote for Reform (probably in any scenario) but definitely not for any party that doesn't give us a clue what they truly stand for. Gobby soundbites will NOT do.
Plaid are hardly a great choice for me but at least I know what I'd be getting. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:17 - Mar 21 with 308 views | Whiterockin |
| Iorwerth on 17:06 - Mar 21 by Gwyn737 |
And the irony of those talking about sheep who vote Labour no matter what simultaneously saying they’ll vote for Reform no matter what.
Surely the right thing to do is to say to Reform that you’d like to vote for them, but could you have something to vote for? |
Gwyn if you lived in Wales and saw the way we are being run into the ground by Welsh Labour you would vote for virtually anyone to get them out. If Plaid dropped their independence stance they would get a massive increase in votes. Failing that Reform are the only real option, unless you count Conservatives and that won't happen. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:20 - Mar 21 with 305 views | Gwyn737 |
| Iorwerth on 17:17 - Mar 21 by Whiterockin |
Gwyn if you lived in Wales and saw the way we are being run into the ground by Welsh Labour you would vote for virtually anyone to get them out. If Plaid dropped their independence stance they would get a massive increase in votes. Failing that Reform are the only real option, unless you count Conservatives and that won't happen. |
I get the frustration with Labour, I just think it makes sense to push Reform for their plans.
Voters shouldn’t have to go into these things blind. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:27 - Mar 21 with 292 views | Whiterockin |
| Iorwerth on 17:20 - Mar 21 by Gwyn737 |
I get the frustration with Labour, I just think it makes sense to push Reform for their plans.
Voters shouldn’t have to go into these things blind. |
Apparently their manifesto is coming out in May/June. Which seems far too early for me. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:40 - Mar 21 with 268 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Iorwerth on 17:17 - Mar 21 by Whiterockin |
Gwyn if you lived in Wales and saw the way we are being run into the ground by Welsh Labour you would vote for virtually anyone to get them out. If Plaid dropped their independence stance they would get a massive increase in votes. Failing that Reform are the only real option, unless you count Conservatives and that won't happen. |
WEll I do live in Wales and I am highly critical of the Senedd but I don't see Reform as the answer. If you can't vote Tory how can you vote Reform who are at least as far right and in all probability further right.
Plaid can still want indepepndence but they have to put it to a vote and thy've said it wouldn't happen soon because the appetite for it isn't there and we know it's a long way off.
Personally I'd welcome th vote as long as we had abolish th Senedd on there too and see what the people really want. The rabid Welsh nats don't want that option though, they run scared of it claiming there's no desire, if that's true then very few will choose it so why deny it? Some only like Democracy when it offers up what they want. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:43 - Mar 21 with 254 views | Whiterockin |
| Iorwerth on 17:40 - Mar 21 by SullutaCreturned |
WEll I do live in Wales and I am highly critical of the Senedd but I don't see Reform as the answer. If you can't vote Tory how can you vote Reform who are at least as far right and in all probability further right.
Plaid can still want indepepndence but they have to put it to a vote and thy've said it wouldn't happen soon because the appetite for it isn't there and we know it's a long way off.
Personally I'd welcome th vote as long as we had abolish th Senedd on there too and see what the people really want. The rabid Welsh nats don't want that option though, they run scared of it claiming there's no desire, if that's true then very few will choose it so why deny it? Some only like Democracy when it offers up what they want. |
If Plaid put forward two referendums, one on independence and one on abolishing the Senedd, I would vote for them. It would never happen. | | | |
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