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 Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest 28th Oct 2024 17:55Things seem to take a while to settle in peoples minds these days. The current issues between Harry Darling, Ben Cabango and Liam Cullen a good example. Even with a statement by Darling that he hasn’t had any discussions on a new deal - that was quickly dismissed by Swans head coach, Luke Williams.  1
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| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 08:15 - Nov 3 with 1576 views | Whiterockin |
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Just hope the two don't get tapped up with a promise of a massive signing on fee in the summer and a couple years contract with double the wages. Need to get them signed by end December. Or the sharks will be circling. |
It's going to happen. As soon as we enter January they can sign a pre contract and there is nothing we can do. The problem should have been solved a long time ago with Cabango, Darling was always going to leave on a free for personal reasons. |  | | |
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It's going to happen. As soon as we enter January they can sign a pre contract and there is nothing we can do. The problem should have been solved a long time ago with Cabango, Darling was always going to leave on a free for personal reasons. |
poor planning (again) | | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 16:40 - Nov 3 with 1392 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
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It's going to happen. As soon as we enter January they can sign a pre contract and there is nothing we can do. The problem should have been solved a long time ago with Cabango, Darling was always going to leave on a free for personal reasons. |
I d not understand this pre-contract thing.
The players are looking to negotiate from a position of being out of contract. Signing a pre contract would appear to reduce access an open market and possible late interest from a Premier league club.
There have been instance of transfer flip where a player signed for one club then is immediate l old to another for cash. |  |
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| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 16:46 - Nov 3 with 1374 views | Whiterockin |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 16:40 - Nov 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I d not understand this pre-contract thing.
The players are looking to negotiate from a position of being out of contract. Signing a pre contract would appear to reduce access an open market and possible late interest from a Premier league club.
There have been instance of transfer flip where a player signed for one club then is immediate l old to another for cash. |
If you don't understand it I suggest you study it a little. Especially the benefits and disadvantages. I would say neither Cabango or Darling are likely to be signed by Premier League clubs. Both know what packages are available elsewhere and are happy. | | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 20:06 - Nov 3 with 1293 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 16:40 - Nov 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I d not understand this pre-contract thing.
The players are looking to negotiate from a position of being out of contract. Signing a pre contract would appear to reduce access an open market and possible late interest from a Premier league club.
There have been instance of transfer flip where a player signed for one club then is immediate l old to another for cash. |
It's simple enough, they negotiate a deal they are happy with and commit to signing it when they are free. It doesn't reduce their access, they have used that access to take the best offer on the table at that time.
If something better comes along later then it's tough, it's always been the nature of the beast.
Yes players have signed then been sold on but it's always to their advantage, big pay rise usually I reckon. I don't think it happens much these days, the rules about playing for too many clubs in one season stop it. | | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 08:38 - Nov 4 with 1187 views | shandyjack |
When can a pre-contract agreement be signed?
This answer differs depending on the clubs involved. English clubs can approach a player registered to any European club - and indeed, any club outside of England - when he enters the final six months of his contract and negotiate a pre-contract agreement.
This also applies in reverse, with non-English clubs permitted to negotiate pre-contract agreements with players registered to English clubs.
However, the rules are different when it comes to negotiations involving two English clubs. Teams can only approach a player playing in the same nation when he enters the final month of his contract, when the domestic season ends. The FA implement this to avoid a situation where a player signs a pre-contract agreement with another club mid-season, and then faces his new club in a match.
So Darling and Cabango can't sign with another club in England untill May |  |
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When can a pre-contract agreement be signed?
This answer differs depending on the clubs involved. English clubs can approach a player registered to any European club - and indeed, any club outside of England - when he enters the final six months of his contract and negotiate a pre-contract agreement.
This also applies in reverse, with non-English clubs permitted to negotiate pre-contract agreements with players registered to English clubs.
However, the rules are different when it comes to negotiations involving two English clubs. Teams can only approach a player playing in the same nation when he enters the final month of his contract, when the domestic season ends. The FA implement this to avoid a situation where a player signs a pre-contract agreement with another club mid-season, and then faces his new club in a match.
So Darling and Cabango can't sign with another club in England untill May |
Thank you for clarification. I interpreted it differently because technically we are a Welsh club, but your explanation makes perfect sense. Although a contract can't be signed a verbal agreement could still be in place between a players agent and a clubs agent. | | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 14:01 - Nov 4 with 1040 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 08:38 - Nov 4 by shandyjack |
When can a pre-contract agreement be signed?
This answer differs depending on the clubs involved. English clubs can approach a player registered to any European club - and indeed, any club outside of England - when he enters the final six months of his contract and negotiate a pre-contract agreement.
This also applies in reverse, with non-English clubs permitted to negotiate pre-contract agreements with players registered to English clubs.
However, the rules are different when it comes to negotiations involving two English clubs. Teams can only approach a player playing in the same nation when he enters the final month of his contract, when the domestic season ends. The FA implement this to avoid a situation where a player signs a pre-contract agreement with another club mid-season, and then faces his new club in a match.
So Darling and Cabango can't sign with another club in England untill May |
Is the right answer.
We have been repeating this for a while.
Dec 31st at midnight and it’s a free for all for some.
But I’ll put everything I own on the fact agents will be talking to agents who will be talking to clubs.
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| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 14:04 - Nov 4 with 1026 views | Whiterockin |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 14:01 - Nov 4 by KeithHaynes |
Is the right answer.
We have been repeating this for a while.
Dec 31st at midnight and it’s a free for all for some.
But I’ll put everything I own on the fact agents will be talking to agents who will be talking to clubs.
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"But I’ll put everything I own on the fact agents will be talking to agents who will be talking to clubs."
We both know unofficially this is taking place now. | | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 14:34 - Nov 4 with 985 views | GixerJack |
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"But I’ll put everything I own on the fact agents will be talking to agents who will be talking to clubs."
We both know unofficially this is taking place now. |
The risk for the player is that the service station handshake in December doesn’t pay him wages if he does his knee 6 weeks from the end of the season and he’s not playing for 9 months and on top of that he has to pay for his own rehabilitation |  | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 14:58 - Nov 4 with 951 views | Whiterockin |
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The risk for the player is that the service station handshake in December doesn’t pay him wages if he does his knee 6 weeks from the end of the season and he’s not playing for 9 months and on top of that he has to pay for his own rehabilitation |
That's why they have insurance. Sometimes the club pays Sometimes the individual. Wasn't there a video floating about with one of our ex players Alfie Mawson saying how much he was paying in insurance himself as his new club didn't pay it. [Post edited 4 Nov 15:27]
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| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 17:15 - Nov 4 with 847 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 20:06 - Nov 3 by SullutaCreturned |
It's simple enough, they negotiate a deal they are happy with and commit to signing it when they are free. It doesn't reduce their access, they have used that access to take the best offer on the table at that time.
If something better comes along later then it's tough, it's always been the nature of the beast.
Yes players have signed then been sold on but it's always to their advantage, big pay rise usually I reckon. I don't think it happens much these days, the rules about playing for too many clubs in one season stop it. |
So tell me what Swnsea players have signed pre-contract deals? Manning and Latibeaudiere just walked when their deal ended,
The usual suspects are taking about this but I do not I understand the benefits . Neither do agents it seems.
The whole point of running down your deal is to wait until the best deal shows up.
I remember Hal Robson Kanu doing this and finding no takers at the money he wanted. [Post edited 4 Nov 17:17]
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| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 18:28 - Nov 4 with 813 views | SullutaCreturned |
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"But I’ll put everything I own on the fact agents will be talking to agents who will be talking to clubs."
We both know unofficially this is taking place now. |
Most of us know this. Talks go on even when officially there should have been NO contact.
Cabango and Darling may not be able to sign a contract but they'll probably have committed to something.
I also thought it was different because we are Welsh but now I seem to remember there was some rule changes a few years back after some difficulties and complaints being made. Maybe it happened then? | | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 19:52 - Nov 4 with 752 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 18:28 - Nov 4 by SullutaCreturned |
Most of us know this. Talks go on even when officially there should have been NO contact.
Cabango and Darling may not be able to sign a contract but they'll probably have committed to something.
I also thought it was different because we are Welsh but now I seem to remember there was some rule changes a few years back after some difficulties and complaints being made. Maybe it happened then? |
You and your chum were projecting fake news it seems. Just admit it and move on. No Swansea had signed pre contracts because they were not allowed. No player will make a gentleman agreement either as it is not in their interests. They will.only agree to "speak to our people before committing".
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| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 21:03 - Nov 4 with 689 views | SullutaCreturned |
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You and your chum were projecting fake news it seems. Just admit it and move on. No Swansea had signed pre contracts because they were not allowed. No player will make a gentleman agreement either as it is not in their interests. They will.only agree to "speak to our people before committing".
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Well no, thry all know what the offers are, whats on the table, long before it comes to signing.
He's not my chum either, we are just 2 anonymous posters on this website, I've no idea who he is. | | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 21:39 - Nov 4 with 638 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 20:56 - Nov 2 by Whiterockin |
It's what he does, posts complete BS and some less intelligent posters believe it. Thankfully they are few and far between. |
It seems from this thread you were the BS merchant not me. The poster did not clarify he corrected. | |
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| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 23:25 - Nov 4 with 592 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 18:28 - Nov 4 by SullutaCreturned |
Most of us know this. Talks go on even when officially there should have been NO contact.
Cabango and Darling may not be able to sign a contract but they'll probably have committed to something.
I also thought it was different because we are Welsh but now I seem to remember there was some rule changes a few years back after some difficulties and complaints being made. Maybe it happened then? |
An agent talking to another agent is how it starts. Then the contact is increased with other agents, it’s a snowball effect. There’s no rule stating agencies can’t compare notes when it suits, and get their agents on the case. Some agents work for clubs as well. Well, any club. It’s the fee’s that are paid at the end that reflects the agents hard work.
There’s nothing wrong either with a call into Swansea City asking about any player and their circumstances come January or May. That of course is a double edged sword.
Basically it’s all about not contacting the player, but there’s nothing to say agents can’t talk to each other. Basically this work is a year round thing. And is a good way for them to gauge the player indirectly. And of course, a players agent can always talk with their trusted contacts to get up to date news out. Like the club falling out with them for offering low baller contracts. As an example.
My bet is every agent throughout the two top tiers are either well informed in Cabango and Darling, or aware things are not right. As I said before, we’ve reported this for several months. | |
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| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 11:36 - Nov 5 with 454 views | shaggyrogers |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 20:38 - Oct 29 by KeithHaynes |
Andrew Coleman
Edit - He would be foolish to not engage with Hodge on what other clubs are prepared to go to. He has many contacts. But Coleman has his hands tied by the financial constraints he himself has imposed regards profit and sustainability for 2026. And of course then there is Levien.
This is once again a very tricky discussion based on the desire to save on a new contract that could have been signed in the summer. Anyone who thinks differently hasn’t been listening.
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It is frightening to think Coleman is now in charge of negotiating transfer and contracts, 8 weeks away from the transfer window opening. X was covered with people celebrating the departure of Watson when i personally thought it a bad move without a replacement already found.
The snippets i have heard is that there is no rush to bring in a director of football. The clubs management board have no one with a clue about football. That's really worrying. | | | |
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It is frightening to think Coleman is now in charge of negotiating transfer and contracts, 8 weeks away from the transfer window opening. X was covered with people celebrating the departure of Watson when i personally thought it a bad move without a replacement already found.
The snippets i have heard is that there is no rush to bring in a director of football. The clubs management board have no one with a clue about football. That's really worrying. |
There is no rush at all, correct. Money saved. | |
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There is no rush at all, correct. Money saved. |
And that is all these lot are bothered about. |  | | |
| Swans players feel disrespected by their contract offers *Latest on 12:40 - Nov 5 with 379 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The club needs to bed in new players and give them time. New players are not needed in big numbers.
Several players are completely unused and fit Peterson Ntoe an On. Other are played out of position Abdullai.
There are three or four academy players recently recovered from injury. Govea Parker and Wilson. Kukharevych and Yates could return theoretically in January. Cotterill Congreve are getting regular fame time . January will be for loans only Eom returns as the Paterson type player someone mentioned.. | |
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