| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? 10:00 - Oct 27 with 2854 views | SwansIndependent |
 Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? 27th Oct 2024 10:00Our chief football writer Trystan Bending returns and asks more questions. Today he examines those players who Luke Williams chooses to ignore, and in the main has done so since his arrival in January. Yes, some have been injured but that’s not the full story.  1
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 10:13 - Oct 27 with 1949 views | Andyconky |
I can stop the discussion before it begins with a simple NO |  |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 10:17 - Oct 27 with 1936 views | union_jack |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 10:13 - Oct 27 by Andyconky |
I can stop the discussion before it begins with a simple NO |
I’d like to think that these players and others maybe have trained with the first team and assessed. If they are having trouble beating their man or penetrating the practice defences then they aren’t going to pull up trees in match days.
However, such a lot in sport depends upon confidence and being given a chance, even if just being part of a match day squad might improve them greatly. They’ve clearly got the talent. It’s how it’s exploited is the hard part. |  |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 10:55 - Oct 27 with 1861 views | KeithHaynes |
Great report from Trystan 👏 |  |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:00 - Oct 27 with 1842 views | max936 |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 10:55 - Oct 27 by KeithHaynes |
Great report from Trystan 👏 |
Yes its a good read, but how do we get answers to why those young lads are not being tried ?
I expect you and your team and yourself have tried countless times, but no doubt they just skirt around the question without actually answering the questions. |  |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:10 - Oct 27 with 1811 views | vetchonian |
Parker did ok when he was played last season but seems to be struggling to recover from injury and has recently been hit by illness
Wilson could be an option on the bench....maybe we continue with Cullen and Vip that could work.
I said somewhere given Eoms absence maybe we could swithc to 3-4-2-1...
my suggestion is a back three of Cabango Naughton and Darling
Franco playing deep with Tymon on the left Grimes in the middle and Ronald on the right. with Cooper and Chllen ahead with Vip up top.
Thant leaves Key Bianchini Abdulai Perat harris asnoptions off the bench also alliwing switch back too 4 3 3 | |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:29 - Oct 27 with 1771 views | KeithHaynes |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:00 - Oct 27 by max936 |
Yes its a good read, but how do we get answers to why those young lads are not being tried ?
I expect you and your team and yourself have tried countless times, but no doubt they just skirt around the question without actually answering the questions. |
He simply doesn’t want to select them, he is holding them back. Wilson as an example is out of contract in the summer. If he leaves he will be a complete success wherever he goes. | |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:29 - Oct 27 with 1767 views | Whiterockin |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:10 - Oct 27 by vetchonian |
Parker did ok when he was played last season but seems to be struggling to recover from injury and has recently been hit by illness
Wilson could be an option on the bench....maybe we continue with Cullen and Vip that could work.
I said somewhere given Eoms absence maybe we could swithc to 3-4-2-1...
my suggestion is a back three of Cabango Naughton and Darling
Franco playing deep with Tymon on the left Grimes in the middle and Ronald on the right. with Cooper and Chllen ahead with Vip up top.
Thant leaves Key Bianchini Abdulai Perat harris asnoptions off the bench also alliwing switch back too 4 3 3 |
No mention of Key who was one of our better players yesterday. |  | | |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:37 - Oct 27 with 1718 views | max936 |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:29 - Oct 27 by KeithHaynes |
He simply doesn’t want to select them, he is holding them back. Wilson as an example is out of contract in the summer. If he leaves he will be a complete success wherever he goes. |
He shouldn't be holding them back given the problems he's got he should be using all the assets that he's got available unless those guys in the 21's are out of bounds, because of instructions from across the pond, I don't know. [Post edited 27 Oct 12:37]
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:37 - Oct 27 with 1719 views | SullutaCreturned |
It's really hard to understand why, when backed into an obvious corner, Williams isn't giving U21's a chance.
We don't have the options in the so called first team. Players are not up to it, played out of position and sometimes he subs players off when they have been the best players on the pitch.
You may be forgiven for thinking he's actually planning for us to fail.
The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over, expectoing the outcome to change Williams is doing the same things over and over but things are actually getting worse. Even when we play well, as in yesterday, our abject failure in front of goal and our ability gift decent chances to the oppo cost us.
Our so called style, our team selection and tactics have to change. Otherwise this squad is going in one direction only. | | | |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:47 - Oct 27 with 1692 views | Whiterockin |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:37 - Oct 27 by max936 |
He shouldn't be holding them back given the problems he's got he should be using all the assets that he's got available unless those guys in the 21's are out of bounds, because of instructions from across the pond, I don't know. [Post edited 27 Oct 12:37]
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I was thinking that as the only explanation. We paid good money for the summer signings and you want to bin them for a bunch of kids. Springs to mind. | | | |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:48 - Oct 27 with 1684 views | Dr_Winston |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:37 - Oct 27 by SullutaCreturned |
It's really hard to understand why, when backed into an obvious corner, Williams isn't giving U21's a chance.
We don't have the options in the so called first team. Players are not up to it, played out of position and sometimes he subs players off when they have been the best players on the pitch.
You may be forgiven for thinking he's actually planning for us to fail.
The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over, expectoing the outcome to change Williams is doing the same things over and over but things are actually getting worse. Even when we play well, as in yesterday, our abject failure in front of goal and our ability gift decent chances to the oppo cost us.
Our so called style, our team selection and tactics have to change. Otherwise this squad is going in one direction only. |
Because people have been asking him to do it for months. He's not an idiot. He will be completely aware that there are youth products that people want to see have a go. If they come into the team and do well, then his judgement in leaving them out for so long will come into question. It's probably why he still refuses to give Abdulai a go in the middle.
We saw similar with Martin. Why he so steadfastly refused to change his process for so long despite anyone with any sense calling on him to do so for the best part of two years. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:53 - Oct 27 with 1660 views | pembsjack |
I just don't understand that when you have such a thin squad, you don't have youngsters on the bench to fill the gaps with players who specialise in those positions. So we can actually have a striker playing that role or a winger playing out wide. Possibly LW sending a message back to the states on the first team squad depth? | | | |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:59 - Oct 27 with 1638 views | Dr_Winston |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:53 - Oct 27 by pembsjack |
I just don't understand that when you have such a thin squad, you don't have youngsters on the bench to fill the gaps with players who specialise in those positions. So we can actually have a striker playing that role or a winger playing out wide. Possibly LW sending a message back to the states on the first team squad depth? |
He doesn't need to send messages via team selections, subliminal body language or telepathy. Discussions will already have been had numerous times with those involved. All will know the score.
The only actual message he's sending is "I'm a pillock who would rather lose or draw games instead of leaving no stone unturned whilst trying to get the best out of ALL the players that I have". | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 12:04 - Oct 27 with 1624 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:48 - Oct 27 by Dr_Winston |
Because people have been asking him to do it for months. He's not an idiot. He will be completely aware that there are youth products that people want to see have a go. If they come into the team and do well, then his judgement in leaving them out for so long will come into question. It's probably why he still refuses to give Abdulai a go in the middle.
We saw similar with Martin. Why he so steadfastly refused to change his process for so long despite anyone with any sense calling on him to do so for the best part of two years. |
So he's not an idiot he's just very stubborn.
Well soryy doc but to me that makes him an even bigger idiot than I thought possible. If he actually thinks the answer is in the U21's but refuses to use them because they may succeed then that is complete and utter madness.
It is exactly the same kind of idiocy we saw from Russell Martin, the old "I'd rather lose my way than win another way" kind of nonsense that will ruin our club.
Maybe it's the modern managers gameplan. Have a bit of success at one club and get snapped up by a bigger club, then fail deliberately so you get sacked, paid off and you know some other club will still give you a go.
Tha sounds even crazier to be honest. | | | |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 12:23 - Oct 27 with 1596 views | pembsjack |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 12:04 - Oct 27 by SullutaCreturned |
So he's not an idiot he's just very stubborn.
Well soryy doc but to me that makes him an even bigger idiot than I thought possible. If he actually thinks the answer is in the U21's but refuses to use them because they may succeed then that is complete and utter madness.
It is exactly the same kind of idiocy we saw from Russell Martin, the old "I'd rather lose my way than win another way" kind of nonsense that will ruin our club.
Maybe it's the modern managers gameplan. Have a bit of success at one club and get snapped up by a bigger club, then fail deliberately so you get sacked, paid off and you know some other club will still give you a go.
Tha sounds even crazier to be honest. |
Sky did a bit on this yesterday highlighting Martins reluctance to change things about. Its about them selling themselves and their philosophy (I hate that term in football!). Highlighting Kompany at Burnley last year who wouldn't change but ended up landing the Bayern job.
They sell their mythical football philosophy whilst blaming failures on their clubs not backing them etc. Gone are the days of earning the big jobs on previous results alone. | | | |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 12:41 - Oct 27 with 1540 views | max936 |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:47 - Oct 27 by Whiterockin |
I was thinking that as the only explanation. We paid good money for the summer signings and you want to bin them for a bunch of kids. Springs to mind. |
My attitude would be to try all avenue's if the first components don't work and that would be using the players throughout the club if they are good enough or showing promise and look a lot better than the players they are currently playing with. | |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 13:05 - Oct 27 with 1460 views | Luther27 |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 12:04 - Oct 27 by SullutaCreturned |
So he's not an idiot he's just very stubborn.
Well soryy doc but to me that makes him an even bigger idiot than I thought possible. If he actually thinks the answer is in the U21's but refuses to use them because they may succeed then that is complete and utter madness.
It is exactly the same kind of idiocy we saw from Russell Martin, the old "I'd rather lose my way than win another way" kind of nonsense that will ruin our club.
Maybe it's the modern managers gameplan. Have a bit of success at one club and get snapped up by a bigger club, then fail deliberately so you get sacked, paid off and you know some other club will still give you a go.
Tha sounds even crazier to be honest. |
Why do we keep appointing these people? We can’t afford a manager who places his principles before the club.
He has to go if that’s the case. | | | |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 13:30 - Oct 27 with 1406 views | onehunglow |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 13:05 - Oct 27 by Luther27 |
Why do we keep appointing these people? We can’t afford a manager who places his principles before the club.
He has to go if that’s the case. |
Is right
And this is the reason we need new owners | |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 16:08 - Oct 27 with 1281 views | vetchonian |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:29 - Oct 27 by Whiterockin |
No mention of Key who was one of our better players yesterday. |
Ive put him down as a bench option though personally I would play him ahead of Ronald as a wing back | |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 16:32 - Oct 27 with 1233 views | vetchonian |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 11:48 - Oct 27 by Dr_Winston |
Because people have been asking him to do it for months. He's not an idiot. He will be completely aware that there are youth products that people want to see have a go. If they come into the team and do well, then his judgement in leaving them out for so long will come into question. It's probably why he still refuses to give Abdulai a go in the middle.
We saw similar with Martin. Why he so steadfastly refused to change his process for so long despite anyone with any sense calling on him to do so for the best part of two years. |
Do you really think Williams has comwin here and seen folks callingnfor the likes of Williams to benpucked but decides not too in case we fans prove him wrong?
Have people thought that there might be beudgetery constraints...would "promoting" these players carry a financial addition in terms of their contracts which may put our "planned" pay budget at risk.....remember back on Potters days he was unable to select Routeledge until Routledge himself renegotiated his contract.
In fairness to Vip he has been getting up to speed what wouldnit do tonhis confidence being dropped for a ypungster befire he had chance to show what he can do.
Its funny since Potter it seems our fanbase or portionsnof it have not been happy with those who followed.
Folks werent happy with Cooper despite he came the closest to returning us to the PL...Martin well and then Duff anfmd now Williams...... | |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 16:35 - Oct 27 with 1229 views | onehunglow |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 16:32 - Oct 27 by vetchonian |
Do you really think Williams has comwin here and seen folks callingnfor the likes of Williams to benpucked but decides not too in case we fans prove him wrong?
Have people thought that there might be beudgetery constraints...would "promoting" these players carry a financial addition in terms of their contracts which may put our "planned" pay budget at risk.....remember back on Potters days he was unable to select Routeledge until Routledge himself renegotiated his contract.
In fairness to Vip he has been getting up to speed what wouldnit do tonhis confidence being dropped for a ypungster befire he had chance to show what he can do.
Its funny since Potter it seems our fanbase or portionsnof it have not been happy with those who followed.
Folks werent happy with Cooper despite he came the closest to returning us to the PL...Martin well and then Duff anfmd now Williams...... |
I’ve read that .Just
Cooper maybe wasn’t liked for failure. Some don’t mind failure | |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 17:03 - Oct 27 with 1201 views | Dr_Winston |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 16:32 - Oct 27 by vetchonian |
Do you really think Williams has comwin here and seen folks callingnfor the likes of Williams to benpucked but decides not too in case we fans prove him wrong?
Have people thought that there might be beudgetery constraints...would "promoting" these players carry a financial addition in terms of their contracts which may put our "planned" pay budget at risk.....remember back on Potters days he was unable to select Routeledge until Routledge himself renegotiated his contract.
In fairness to Vip he has been getting up to speed what wouldnit do tonhis confidence being dropped for a ypungster befire he had chance to show what he can do.
Its funny since Potter it seems our fanbase or portionsnof it have not been happy with those who followed.
Folks werent happy with Cooper despite he came the closest to returning us to the PL...Martin well and then Duff anfmd now Williams...... |
Why do some managers keep doing the same stupid things over and over again even though every man and his dog screams at them not to? Do you think they don't have egos and would prefer to be proven wrong rather than right? Surely, for example, there can't be anyone now who believes that Abdulai is a valid option on the wing, yet game after game we keep seeing him there.
Besides, if Wilson comes in and does well then that would weaken the argument going into January that his squad isn't strong enough, in much the same way that our form in the last couple of months of 22/23 nailed the lie that Martin's squad wasn't good enough all along. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 17:32 - Oct 27 with 1146 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 17:03 - Oct 27 by Dr_Winston |
Why do some managers keep doing the same stupid things over and over again even though every man and his dog screams at them not to? Do you think they don't have egos and would prefer to be proven wrong rather than right? Surely, for example, there can't be anyone now who believes that Abdulai is a valid option on the wing, yet game after game we keep seeing him there.
Besides, if Wilson comes in and does well then that would weaken the argument going into January that his squad isn't strong enough, in much the same way that our form in the last couple of months of 22/23 nailed the lie that Martin's squad wasn't good enough all along. |
It's hard to disagree with you which means...Luke Williams is an absolute idiot!
That is of course, my own personal opinion.
If he tried ALL his available options and actually got us decent results that proves he's a good manager and deserves a chance higher up. In my (admittedly somewhat addled) head anyway.
It seems that'snot how modern football works. Possession is everything, results don't matter it's performance that counts and performance means having 70% possession is the target even if you can't hit a cows behind with a banjo. | | | |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 19:36 - Oct 27 with 1065 views | Dr_Winston |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 17:32 - Oct 27 by SullutaCreturned |
It's hard to disagree with you which means...Luke Williams is an absolute idiot!
That is of course, my own personal opinion.
If he tried ALL his available options and actually got us decent results that proves he's a good manager and deserves a chance higher up. In my (admittedly somewhat addled) head anyway.
It seems that'snot how modern football works. Possession is everything, results don't matter it's performance that counts and performance means having 70% possession is the target even if you can't hit a cows behind with a banjo. |
Do I think this squad is as strong as those available to Potter, Cooper and Martin? No, I don't. I think all three had plenty of good players available to them, players good enough to challenge at the top end. Cooper probably did the best of the three, albeit without having to deal with the disruptions that Potter did. Martin had no such excuses. His failure was catastrophic and entirely self inflicted.
Duff? Didn't do a great job. Nowhere near as bad as some will claim though. Mostly hamstrung by his refusal to bullshit the support. Maybe if he'd have kissed as much arse as his predecessor he'd have bought enough time to make things work, but now we'll never know.
As for Williams, I didn't want him in the first place. Too close in style to Russy. Nowhere near enough achievement elsewhere. He's come in and delivered precious little, showing only the same innate tendency to try and convince people that's down to anything else other than him.
Is his squad playoff quality? No, in all likelihood it isn't. Is it better than we're seeing? I would say so. Too many players whose performances have regressed over the last ten months. [Post edited 27 Oct 20:36]
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 20:54 - Oct 27 with 976 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Does Luke Williams trust his academy options ? on 19:36 - Oct 27 by Dr_Winston |
Do I think this squad is as strong as those available to Potter, Cooper and Martin? No, I don't. I think all three had plenty of good players available to them, players good enough to challenge at the top end. Cooper probably did the best of the three, albeit without having to deal with the disruptions that Potter did. Martin had no such excuses. His failure was catastrophic and entirely self inflicted.
Duff? Didn't do a great job. Nowhere near as bad as some will claim though. Mostly hamstrung by his refusal to bullshit the support. Maybe if he'd have kissed as much arse as his predecessor he'd have bought enough time to make things work, but now we'll never know.
As for Williams, I didn't want him in the first place. Too close in style to Russy. Nowhere near enough achievement elsewhere. He's come in and delivered precious little, showing only the same innate tendency to try and convince people that's down to anything else other than him.
Is his squad playoff quality? No, in all likelihood it isn't. Is it better than we're seeing? I would say so. Too many players whose performances have regressed over the last ten months. [Post edited 27 Oct 20:36]
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Ohnhe defonitely has a worse squad and yes, we have long agreed about Martin.
Williams is cast from the same mould as Martin though, it seems. | | | |
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