| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment 23:19 - Aug 27 with 4874 views | majorraglan |
Several newspapers are carrying reports that following her poorly received mini budget, Truss considered scrapping NHS cancer treatments to save money. To be honest I was stunned when I first read the article in The Independent and thought it was a wind up because April the 1st had passed, but the story is being carried by nearly all the papers. The articles give the impression that things were shambolic under Truss, but it’s staggering that she and some of her team could countenance such a move.
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 11:54 - Aug 29 with 898 views | Wingstandwood |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 11:30 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
EXACTLY.
The government want the tax payer to pick up the bill for their ineptitude and wasteful spending on uneccesary things.
If this was a family member, you'd tell them to do one! Yet we are meant to bend over and take it when it's the government.
They can sit and swivel |
I knew exactly where your rationality has been coming from i.e. a world of common sense and sanity.
I have often pondered how long clowns who think the total opposite would last managing a multi-million pound penalty clause contract where they cannot run to the tax-payer expecting a bail out? |  |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:25 - Aug 29 with 850 views | max936 |
That's the Tories overspend before Labour got into power, but lets blame Labour cause they are in the hot seat, what are they supposed to do just pluck the wasted billions out the the sky or is there a money tree in Downing St.
Labour has inherited a shitfest which is none of their doing! |  |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:30 - Aug 29 with 844 views | max936 |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 09:37 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
Peanuts?
We pay commercial banks interest on money created for the 2008 financial crisis, covid and Ukraine. It's currently £35 billion a year. Pure profit for banks and it's 100% wrong.(It used to be alot less)
In 2023, the UK government spent approximately £15.4 billion on foreign aid. In 2023, £4.3 billion (27.9%) of total UK ODA was spent supporting refugees in the UK. Ok, so lets not count numbers twice.
We have multiple agencies within the UK government that waste billions of tax payers money and are completely pointless.
We can raise multiple billions just with the above. It's definitely not peanuts. Far from it.
Who cares what the legacy of the tories is? Let's fix these problems instead of playing the blame game. |
You are playing the blame game, by putting the blame for the countries finances on this present government who have been in power less than 3 months, its laughable. [Post edited 29 Aug 12:31]
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:32 - Aug 29 with 839 views | max936 |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 11:54 - Aug 29 by Wingstandwood |
I knew exactly where your rationality has been coming from i.e. a world of common sense and sanity.
I have often pondered how long clowns who think the total opposite would last managing a multi-million pound penalty clause contract where they cannot run to the tax-payer expecting a bail out? |
Clowns being, the Tories you mean? | |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:32 - Aug 29 with 839 views | Wingstandwood |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:25 - Aug 29 by max936 |
That's the Tories overspend before Labour got into power, but lets blame Labour cause they are in the hot seat, what are they supposed to do just pluck the wasted billions out the the sky or is there a money tree in Downing St.
Labour has inherited a shitfest which is none of their doing! |
Overspends and insane waste will continue hence why everyone is still paying for Labour PFI.
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:38 - Aug 29 with 835 views | Wingstandwood |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:32 - Aug 29 by max936 |
Clowns being, the Tories you mean? |
I mean both Labour and Tories and their inabilty when it comes to big gaping holes where the solution is to widen those gaping holes and to pour even greater ammounts of money into them. | |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:48 - Aug 29 with 808 views | max936 |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:38 - Aug 29 by Wingstandwood |
I mean both Labour and Tories and their inabilty when it comes to big gaping holes where the solution is to widen those gaping holes and to pour even greater ammounts of money into them. |
Where's the money coming from to fill those gaping holes, if not from the tax payer, foreign aid is beneficial in some quarters as it generates income.
I'm massively against tax rises and this stopping of winter payments to pensioners is disgusting, unless they're on certain benefits.
"About 10 million pensioners in England and Wales are expected to lose their winter fuel payments under new plans announced by Chancellor Rachel Reeves. From 2024, annual payments will no longer be paid to people not on certain benefits. The new Labour Government said this would save £1.4 billion this year." | |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 13:14 - Aug 29 with 787 views | Wingstandwood |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:48 - Aug 29 by max936 |
Where's the money coming from to fill those gaping holes, if not from the tax payer, foreign aid is beneficial in some quarters as it generates income.
I'm massively against tax rises and this stopping of winter payments to pensioners is disgusting, unless they're on certain benefits.
"About 10 million pensioners in England and Wales are expected to lose their winter fuel payments under new plans announced by Chancellor Rachel Reeves. From 2024, annual payments will no longer be paid to people not on certain benefits. The new Labour Government said this would save £1.4 billion this year." |
I guess you are not going to hear much about efficiency savings, cuts, redundancies and performance related public sector pay deals over the next couple of years from a Labour Party in hock to the unions?
So I guess it (tax raising aside) will be a case of “means tested” cuts for dear old 92 year pensioner Mrs Edith McDonald from Basingstoke who will have to pay (like many O.A.P's do) privately for daily private care givers and her private chiropodist to call out to her house every six weeks.
Meanwhile here is a few thousand here and there to pay for ‘unconscious bias" courses aimed at idiots who believe in them, and to fund a 'diversity Inclusion and wellbeing manager' for her local hospital trust.
How did the NHS ever manage before hey? Or how a retired Swansea University Health Board clinician describes WOKE, scandalous waste of resources and messing with kids minds to make them want a sex change....."A LOAD OF SH*T!
And boy we don't half need to feed a few thousand more outreach workers, five a day Coordinators and health and safety bods to teach public sector employees how to operate a step ladder? [Post edited 29 Aug 17:22]
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:03 - Aug 29 with 703 views | DaPs166 |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 11:46 - Aug 29 by Scotia |
Ok. I'll stop paying the interest on my mortgage too, I wonder what will happen.
Look at what those departments do not just how many of them there are. We're a country of 70 million people it takes a lot of running. It's easy to look at a government department or public body and say they're too big or not needed but you need to delve in to what they actually do.
Personally I have no interest in "the arts" but recognise that they need to be funded. |
You haven’t a clue what I’m talking about. Best read up on it before conflating the national debt with what I’m talking about. It’s a private liquidity fund for the banks.
They have their cake and eat it. They have that pool of cash so they can’t go bust, whilst simultaneously getting paid interest by the government for it, even though it’s the government giving the liquidity to the bank in the first place. It’s nuts.
It’s like me giving you a loan then paying you interest for it. 😅 | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:05 - Aug 29 with 702 views | DaPs166 |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 11:47 - Aug 29 by Scotia |
It's a different government, that's pretty much the point of this thread. |
That’s alright then. Let’s force everyone to pay for the ineptitude of the last government.
It doesn’t matter which f*c king government did it. The point is that we have to pay for their ineptitude, and labour asking us to pay for it is a joke.
You’re so stuck in petty he said, she said politics that you can’t see the bigger picture. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:07 - Aug 29 with 696 views | DaPs166 |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:25 - Aug 29 by max936 |
That's the Tories overspend before Labour got into power, but lets blame Labour cause they are in the hot seat, what are they supposed to do just pluck the wasted billions out the the sky or is there a money tree in Downing St.
Labour has inherited a shitfest which is none of their doing! |
That’s alright then. Let labour f*ck as all in the a** then and freeze our elderly to death. All to stick it to the tories.
Imbecilic logic. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:08 - Aug 29 with 694 views | DaPs166 |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:30 - Aug 29 by max936 |
You are playing the blame game, by putting the blame for the countries finances on this present government who have been in power less than 3 months, its laughable. [Post edited 29 Aug 12:31]
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Yeah… no I haven’t. Keep dreaming buddy. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:09 - Aug 29 with 692 views | Wingstandwood |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:03 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
You haven’t a clue what I’m talking about. Best read up on it before conflating the national debt with what I’m talking about. It’s a private liquidity fund for the banks.
They have their cake and eat it. They have that pool of cash so they can’t go bust, whilst simultaneously getting paid interest by the government for it, even though it’s the government giving the liquidity to the bank in the first place. It’s nuts.
It’s like me giving you a loan then paying you interest for it. 😅 |
Checkmate! | |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:24 - Aug 29 with 681 views | Scotia |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:03 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
You haven’t a clue what I’m talking about. Best read up on it before conflating the national debt with what I’m talking about. It’s a private liquidity fund for the banks.
They have their cake and eat it. They have that pool of cash so they can’t go bust, whilst simultaneously getting paid interest by the government for it, even though it’s the government giving the liquidity to the bank in the first place. It’s nuts.
It’s like me giving you a loan then paying you interest for it. 😅 |
You mean the bonds the banks have with the Bank of England? Of course they get interest on it but so does the treasury via their own interest payments. We could stop paying that I suppose but if the banks lose out on that guess what they'd do?
Pass the loss on to their customers, us. We'd lose either way. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:30 - Aug 29 with 676 views | Scotia |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:05 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
That’s alright then. Let’s force everyone to pay for the ineptitude of the last government.
It doesn’t matter which f*c king government did it. The point is that we have to pay for their ineptitude, and labour asking us to pay for it is a joke.
You’re so stuck in petty he said, she said politics that you can’t see the bigger picture. |
There is nobody else to pay for it. I'm not stuck in any form of politics but recognise the dire state of public services and the need to sort them out. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:45 - Aug 29 with 663 views | Wingstandwood |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:07 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
That’s alright then. Let labour f*ck as all in the a** then and freeze our elderly to death. All to stick it to the tories.
Imbecilic logic. |
The Labour Party has a forte for imbecilic logic, hence why millionaires have already left the U.K in droves, or are planning to leave the U.K to avoid despicable taxation robbery. That equates to a huge loss of tax revenue.
Guess who is on the next tier down to pay for that? *Hint* i.e. It won't be the aforementioned individuals who have been described by a tax expert as "mobile", because they will have uprooted with enough wealth to relocate along with the entire family to tax havens and locations abroad to avoid high taxes.
And it’s only natural to assume that middle class and future middle class will no longer save, because it’s no longer sensible to do so when FORTY PERCENT will be taken over a certain threshold. | |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:57 - Aug 29 with 634 views | onehunglow |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:45 - Aug 29 by Wingstandwood |
The Labour Party has a forte for imbecilic logic, hence why millionaires have already left the U.K in droves, or are planning to leave the U.K to avoid despicable taxation robbery. That equates to a huge loss of tax revenue.
Guess who is on the next tier down to pay for that? *Hint* i.e. It won't be the aforementioned individuals who have been described by a tax expert as "mobile", because they will have uprooted with enough wealth to relocate along with the entire family to tax havens and locations abroad to avoid high taxes.
And it’s only natural to assume that middle class and future middle class will no longer save, because it’s no longer sensible to do so when FORTY PERCENT will be taken over a certain threshold. |
The super rich are so mainly as they are smarter than us and take bigger risks
They also graft harder
We are basically envious
Those at the “ bottom” will get by ok as they are fed by nanny State . It’s their culture
Those left….the majority are hammered as they have been all my life
Class war ..myarse | |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 18:07 - Aug 29 with 621 views | majorraglan |
As has been said the £7.6bn is down to the spending run up by our last (Conservative) government and it’ll be interesting to see if this is part of the £22bn black hole we’re being told about.
You say being robbed, someone -US have to pay for the mess the country is in, the last bunch of chances have caused a lot of damage and we’re going to have to pick up the tab. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 18:12 - Aug 29 with 607 views | Wingstandwood |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 18:07 - Aug 29 by majorraglan |
As has been said the £7.6bn is down to the spending run up by our last (Conservative) government and it’ll be interesting to see if this is part of the £22bn black hole we’re being told about.
You say being robbed, someone -US have to pay for the mess the country is in, the last bunch of chances have caused a lot of damage and we’re going to have to pick up the tab. |
Aye despite that Labour spending that has added to that!
*Edit* Would like to add obvious Labour contempt towards working class slandered as being "far right" and "racist" along with the upcoming hit upon middle class".
Thankfully "shooting both sides" will end up with the complete and utter demise of a once great party infiltrated from top to bottom with WOKE crackpots, PC loons, Marxists and other high profile idiots, including one in particular who supported a proven child murderer. [Post edited 29 Aug 18:22]
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:03 - Aug 29 with 577 views | DaPs166 |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:30 - Aug 29 by Scotia |
There is nobody else to pay for it. I'm not stuck in any form of politics but recognise the dire state of public services and the need to sort them out. |
But continually raising taxes doesn’t work. That’s the point. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:39 - Aug 29 with 532 views | Dr_Winston |
Let's be honest here, almost every single problem faced by the UK at the present time has its roots in the response to Covid.
Hundreds of Billions spent paying everybody to sit at home in order to prevent the spread of a virus with a better than 99% survival rate. Effectively 100% if you were under 80 and not ill. The old, sick and vulnerable? Fine. They should have been protected. Everyone else should have been left to get on with it.
The money spent to pay for that, and the money printed to deflate its value directly led to the cost of living crisis. It's a weird world where Governments increasing money supply escape blame for inflation.
The instability all of this has led to in Government has also prevented any serious reponses to other challenges. I've not got much time for Johnson, but a Boris unaffected by "cakegate" with the majority he had would, in all likelihood, have not spent three years tiptoeing around the need to massively decrease the numbers arriving in the UK.
Every single measure was opposed by the current Govt. According to them we should have locked down longer and harder. Look to the response of the WAG to see what a Westminster Labour Govt would have done. According to them we should have opened the doors completely to anyone wishing to come to the UK. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 07:40 - Aug 30 with 425 views | Scotia |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:39 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
Let's be honest here, almost every single problem faced by the UK at the present time has its roots in the response to Covid.
Hundreds of Billions spent paying everybody to sit at home in order to prevent the spread of a virus with a better than 99% survival rate. Effectively 100% if you were under 80 and not ill. The old, sick and vulnerable? Fine. They should have been protected. Everyone else should have been left to get on with it.
The money spent to pay for that, and the money printed to deflate its value directly led to the cost of living crisis. It's a weird world where Governments increasing money supply escape blame for inflation.
The instability all of this has led to in Government has also prevented any serious reponses to other challenges. I've not got much time for Johnson, but a Boris unaffected by "cakegate" with the majority he had would, in all likelihood, have not spent three years tiptoeing around the need to massively decrease the numbers arriving in the UK.
Every single measure was opposed by the current Govt. According to them we should have locked down longer and harder. Look to the response of the WAG to see what a Westminster Labour Govt would have done. According to them we should have opened the doors completely to anyone wishing to come to the UK. |
There's more to it than that.
Initially the financial crisis that was relatively well handled by Gordon Brown, despite also overspending. Friends in the NHS tell me it was a well run and efficient place not without it's faults though especially regarding bullying.
Then austerity under the Tories which was effectively slash and burn and saw massive under investment across public services and tax rises over a number of years.
Then came Brexit, not a great idea in the first place despite the massive faults of the EU. But the actual process of leaving the EU was massively undermined by the right of the Tory party and few key players outside of elected politics such as Paul Dacre and Rupert Murdoch. We left in a mess after massive political infighting.
Then COVID on an already battered NHS and an inept government led by an idiot. The restrictions weren't ideal but by and large were needed. Society would have been knackered without them. The restrictions in Wales were absurd but the Westminster labour party is now very different to Drakefords Labour and hopefully that will filter through to the Senedd.
Followed by the post COVID recovery and lack of people to do basic work due to COVID and Brexit, this was in part responsible for the massive increase in legal immigration which is a far bigger problem than illegal immigration.
Then the war in Ukraine which led to the fuel crisis and was behind most of the inflation, further government spending to help fuel bills (universally paid!) still massive fuel bills and even more costs to the public purse.
The country is obviously skint, totally skint. There's no money tree. There's very little wiggle room to be even more efficient and cut public services any further. Most are on their knees.
I'm guessing we'll see an unfreeze of fuel duty, increase in tobacco duty, alcohol, air passenger duty and much more. But perhaps no direct taxation increase.
I'm not a Labour voter but Starmer has inherited a terrible financial situation. His honeymoon period was over before it started. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:38 - Aug 30 with 297 views | majorraglan |
Totally agree with you, it needs to be related to poverty/ deprivation and need. It’s mental that we’re paying for meals when it’s completely unnecessary.
I know it’s a sore point, but it’s the same with the winter fuel allowance - it needs to be a targeted allowance for those who need it. Means testing is in my opinion the way forward, but we need to see the threshold set at the bar at the right level and I don’t believe that’s happened. Get £10 over the pension credit limit and someone could lose their WFA - that’s mental. My uncle and his Mrs who’ve retired and are pulling in about £150k pa are whinging about losing the WHA - but they should never have had it in the first place. | | | |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:00 - Aug 30 with 261 views | union_jack |
| Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:38 - Aug 30 by majorraglan |
Totally agree with you, it needs to be related to poverty/ deprivation and need. It’s mental that we’re paying for meals when it’s completely unnecessary.
I know it’s a sore point, but it’s the same with the winter fuel allowance - it needs to be a targeted allowance for those who need it. Means testing is in my opinion the way forward, but we need to see the threshold set at the bar at the right level and I don’t believe that’s happened. Get £10 over the pension credit limit and someone could lose their WFA - that’s mental. My uncle and his Mrs who’ve retired and are pulling in about £150k pa are whinging about losing the WHA - but they should never have had it in the first place. |
There are obvious cases at both ends of the scale regards eligibility for WFA. But there’s a whole load who fall in the middle who will suffer by not getting it. These people don’t or can’t claim benefits and suffer as a consequence.
My mother who is 90 next week has never claimed a penny in benefit in her entire life, taking on three jobs when I was young to put food on the table. But those who have shirked and played the system can sit back and relax. There are plenty like my mother out there, from a generation who in the main chose to work to provide. |  |
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