| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 19:30 - Aug 10 with 16629 views | ModeratorC |
The biggest cup game of the season so far !
An unusual evening with both Swansea and Cardiff playing at home, that rarely happens. Cardiff’s gate will be boosted by a big number of Rovers fans to save their embarrassment. The Swans always double if not more the attendance of their non rivals with very few away supporters in tow.
 Swansea City v Gillingham : Team News & managers 13th Aug 2024 16:10The Swans and the Gills met up for a spot in the second round of the southern draw in this seasons League Cup tonight (7:45pm) The attendance isn’t expected to be high, so if you can it’s worth an impromptu visit to the Swansea.Com this evening ?  0
 What a very odd game, Swans go through to round two 13th Aug 2024 22:23It was one of the most one sided games you could ever see, and even then Gillingham came good with a goal right at the end before the Swans scored number three. It was painful at times, the negativity almost infuriating when so many chances and opportunities were made. The desire to pass backwards time and time again when a bit of courage would have worked was so annoying. But a win is a win and the Swans go through. 0
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:25 - Aug 14 with 1398 views | raynor94 |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:21 - Aug 14 by vetchonian |
the mythical Swansea way.... his style at Notts County was more akin to what we saw under Martinez.
This Swansea Way tag is a millstone around managers necks,constantly passing sideways and backwards was never a part of our game.....under Brendan yes if nothing was on the mantra was to keep possession butball the time looking to create an opening.
Hopefully we might see more of that as the squad settles....i dont remember us playing so cautiously towards the end of last season so maybe we are in a transition phase as Luke watches players bed in.
Im hoping we might see Eon Zan and Ronald together up front on Saturday with Franco and either Cooper or Abdulli behind them with Key Nd Tymon pushing up .....
Its still early days though and to answer your question i doubut he is contracred to play a certain way as Duff certainly wasnt.. |
It was pass and move under Brendan this is just passing for the sake of it, and no real movement |  |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:26 - Aug 14 with 1386 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:21 - Aug 14 by vetchonian |
the mythical Swansea way.... his style at Notts County was more akin to what we saw under Martinez.
This Swansea Way tag is a millstone around managers necks,constantly passing sideways and backwards was never a part of our game.....under Brendan yes if nothing was on the mantra was to keep possession butball the time looking to create an opening.
Hopefully we might see more of that as the squad settles....i dont remember us playing so cautiously towards the end of last season so maybe we are in a transition phase as Luke watches players bed in.
Im hoping we might see Eon Zan and Ronald together up front on Saturday with Franco and either Cooper or Abdulli behind them with Key Nd Tymon pushing up .....
Its still early days though and to answer your question i doubut he is contracred to play a certain way as Duff certainly wasnt.. |
Yeah, the contractual bit was tongue in cheek but I think they are picked in their ability to coach that style. Maybe Huw and Co said to the Americans not to lose our identity and it’s one thing they’ve adhered to? |  |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:30 - Aug 14 with 1373 views | vetchonian |
neither Martin or Duff followed the Swansea Way.and tthe Swansea Way was morethan just happened on the park | |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:41 - Aug 14 with 1338 views | Dr_Winston |
It's the modern coaching style. Mass produced in academies with coaches all taught to pay more attention to a players statistical performance than his actual performance on the pitch.
Every nuance, every tactical position on the pitch drilled down into meaningless numbers. We can't be far away from the point where some bright spark will create an AI programme to make substitutions.
It's killing the game as a means of entertainment. It's becoming as hopelessly processed and over coached as the NFL. |  |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:41 - Aug 14 with 1338 views | sons_of_omri |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:25 - Aug 14 by raynor94 |
It was pass and move under Brendan this is just passing for the sake of it, and no real movement |
My main takeaway from last nights game was the way Fulton and Grimes interacted. Fulton was just as guilty as Grimes for the needless short pass back and forth. Not going to help out no 10 and wingers and by extension our new striker.
Also Abdulai - too often when one on one with their full back he’d turn back and play it to Naughton. Why not try to get on the outside of him and cross the ball. Our overall play is exactly the same as when Martin was in charge- passing the ball around in front of a well set defence and achieving nothing. | | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:45 - Aug 14 with 1324 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 23:36 - Aug 13 by RichardO |
Risk adverse turgid stuff,
The unwillingness of players to turn with the ball in the centre of the pitch once space had been created was astounding.meaning very little progressed through the middle of the pitch
The sole purpose of our game it would seem is to be able to get the ball from one wing to the other but it was so slow that it didn't stretch Gillingham at all even after they went down to ten men.
The difference between the teams was the different class of players Ronald and Eom. You couldn't say any of our players played badly as individuals but it was slow and ponderous with players thinking a bouncing ball can be played to a teammate at chest height within a small radius while opposition players swarm around.
Looks like no future corners of ours will be taken without our big centrehalves firmly routed back in defence that will reduce our goals for count.
I think our back ups at centre half and left back have been decided given the lack of incoming and any mistake they made were not punished, I'm sure William's will stamp out Pedersen's desire to get the ball quickly up the field, I was surprised to see some tidy left foot passing which actually helped both Ronald and Eom find space to take on defenders.
Abdulai out of position actually made a nuisance of himself but with the risk adverse doctrine obviously implanted in his psyche didn't really try beat his marker given the slow rate of delivery of the ball to him until late in the game and was on hand to score for the centre of the penalty area after great play by Eom
Key and Tymon messaged to support the wingers and was.duly taken to heart as they came on spending lots of time beyond their wingers and I was somewhat alarmed to see what was left of our defence outnumbered quite often towards the end of the game by a team down to ten men.
A very illuminating evening down the stadium but it was a very predictable especially conceding an 85th min goal to ramp up the dismay.
As has already has been said why move the ball with one pass when you can have six passes to achieve the same aim but slowly giving the opposition every chance to snuff out anything that looks adventurous.
Game won but very few chance created as a team until the latter stages of the game. [Post edited 14 Aug 7:12]
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:59 - Aug 14 with 1302 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:41 - Aug 14 by sons_of_omri |
My main takeaway from last nights game was the way Fulton and Grimes interacted. Fulton was just as guilty as Grimes for the needless short pass back and forth. Not going to help out no 10 and wingers and by extension our new striker.
Also Abdulai - too often when one on one with their full back he’d turn back and play it to Naughton. Why not try to get on the outside of him and cross the ball. Our overall play is exactly the same as when Martin was in charge- passing the ball around in front of a well set defence and achieving nothing. |
That was as bad as any performance under Martin when following the copyrighted way to play at Swansea. I can’t believe this was the plan by Williams. It was totally mind numbing. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:09 - Aug 14 with 1276 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:05 - Aug 14 by union_jack |
Great post again Richard. You’ve put together everything most have us are thinking and have posted ourselves.
I’m not sure any additions are going to change our style or approach to a game. It will just strengthen the squad. Williams seems incapable or unwilling to play a direct style. Last night was an opportunity to try that from the off but definitely after they went down to 10. Although there was a bit more directness towards the end, it was too little, too late (not of course in terms of the result).
I have to question whether or not Williams is contractually obliged to play ‘the Swansea way’?? |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 12:33 - Aug 14 with 1226 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:41 - Aug 14 by sons_of_omri |
My main takeaway from last nights game was the way Fulton and Grimes interacted. Fulton was just as guilty as Grimes for the needless short pass back and forth. Not going to help out no 10 and wingers and by extension our new striker.
Also Abdulai - too often when one on one with their full back he’d turn back and play it to Naughton. Why not try to get on the outside of him and cross the ball. Our overall play is exactly the same as when Martin was in charge- passing the ball around in front of a well set defence and achieving nothing. |
Abdulai doesn’t look comfortable there. I’m not sure if it’s a case of ‘get your best players on the pitch’ but he needs to be played centrally. Tricking his way past full backs isn’t his game so he’s playing it safe. Especially when the full back is pretty quick like last night.
I actually think both Abdulai and Eom would improve our central midfield dramatically. Eom in the Paterson role, Abdulai more of a Pratley. | | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 12:40 - Aug 14 with 1221 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:45 - Aug 14 by vetchonian |
is there a reference to trhe new floodlighting there Richard? |
Do get sucked in and go off in tangents, didn't I mention the new standing area? | | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 13:30 - Aug 14 with 1164 views | swancity |
Decent enough from Swansea. Dominated throughout and encouraging signs but we do need to be more incisive and speed things up in that final third. | |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread on 16:26 - Aug 14 with 1030 views | KeithHaynes |
What a very odd game, Swans go through to round two 13th Aug 2024 22:23It was one of the most one sided games you could ever see, and even then Gillingham came good with a goal right at the end before the Swans scored number three. It was painful at times, the negativity almost infuriating when so many chances and opportunities were made. The desire to pass backwards time and time again when a bit of courage would have worked was so annoying. But a win is a win and the Swans go through. 0
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 17:55 - Aug 14 with 944 views | controversial_jack |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 13:30 - Aug 14 by swancity |
Decent enough from Swansea. Dominated throughout and encouraging signs but we do need to be more incisive and speed things up in that final third. |
Yes, but they were very poor and down to 10 men | | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 18:09 - Aug 14 with 906 views | sons_of_omri |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 13:30 - Aug 14 by swancity |
Decent enough from Swansea. Dominated throughout and encouraging signs but we do need to be more incisive and speed things up in that final third. |
Correction - need to speed things up in the middle third of the pitch. Grimes slowing us down and Fulton the same. | | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 18:25 - Aug 14 with 872 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 13:30 - Aug 14 by swancity |
Decent enough from Swansea. Dominated throughout and encouraging signs but we do need to be more incisive and speed things up in that final third. |
Decent enough, against an L2 tem down to 10 men. If that's the standard you want then fine bit to stay in the Championship we will have to improve a lot and make that performance look like the garbage it largely was.
About the only good thing I can say is, you can only beat what is in front of you.
We need to speed things up all over the park, we are so ponderous. | | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 18:33 - Aug 14 with 849 views | Thrasher6 |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:41 - Aug 14 by Dr_Winston |
It's the modern coaching style. Mass produced in academies with coaches all taught to pay more attention to a players statistical performance than his actual performance on the pitch.
Every nuance, every tactical position on the pitch drilled down into meaningless numbers. We can't be far away from the point where some bright spark will create an AI programme to make substitutions.
It's killing the game as a means of entertainment. It's becoming as hopelessly processed and over coached as the NFL. |
This. |  |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 19:35 - Aug 14 with 800 views | swancity |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 18:25 - Aug 14 by SullutaCreturned |
Decent enough, against an L2 tem down to 10 men. If that's the standard you want then fine bit to stay in the Championship we will have to improve a lot and make that performance look like the garbage it largely was.
About the only good thing I can say is, you can only beat what is in front of you.
We need to speed things up all over the park, we are so ponderous. |
Garbage?
I’d strongly disagree with that whilst realising that we can get much better. They could not get the ball off us and we were in complete control against a hard working organised league two side. West Brom for example came unstuck at Fleetwood so you can see that nothing is guaranteed. Our possession based style means that we will dominate the ball more often than not but we can improve in the final third where too many times we cut back inside to keep the ball, then went backwards instead of gambling by taking on a defender. We will get better but I can’t see us improving on last seasons 14th placing. I’m expecting around 16th this time and a season of mediocrity with some good wins thrown in here and there. | |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 19:40 - Aug 14 with 788 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 19:35 - Aug 14 by swancity |
Garbage?
I’d strongly disagree with that whilst realising that we can get much better. They could not get the ball off us and we were in complete control against a hard working organised league two side. West Brom for example came unstuck at Fleetwood so you can see that nothing is guaranteed. Our possession based style means that we will dominate the ball more often than not but we can improve in the final third where too many times we cut back inside to keep the ball, then went backwards instead of gambling by taking on a defender. We will get better but I can’t see us improving on last seasons 14th placing. I’m expecting around 16th this time and a season of mediocrity with some good wins thrown in here and there. |
I think although what you said is technically true, they were down to 10 men which should have been the green light to go at them. All we did was as you accurately described. For that reason I’m with Cat on it being garbage. We had a massive opportunity to go ve things a go but decided not to take risks. | |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 19:56 - Aug 14 with 778 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 19:40 - Aug 14 by union_jack |
I think although what you said is technically true, they were down to 10 men which should have been the green light to go at them. All we did was as you accurately described. For that reason I’m with Cat on it being garbage. We had a massive opportunity to go ve things a go but decided not to take risks. |
With that mindset we will be easy to pick off. | |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 21:36 - Aug 14 with 726 views | Tomsyard |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 10:59 - Aug 14 by KeithHaynes |
That was as bad as any performance under Martin when following the copyrighted way to play at Swansea. I can’t believe this was the plan by Williams. It was totally mind numbing. |
Ok it’s against a L2 team, ok it’s difficult to raise your game, ok there’s far more important games coming up but that game was awful. No problem with retaining possession and taking the sting out of the opposition but that was taken to the extreme level of extreme. In my opinion this was a free hit for the manager to send his team out to play in a fast, exciting expansive way which you’d expect a L2 team to struggle to contain and to get the team into a mindset for the weekend. Possession football is a must for me but it has to be possession with purpose otherwise what’s the point. I hope as the season progresses we’ll see a more expansive style as we have players who can exploit it and would see us into comfortable mid table finish but does that fit into the managers philosophy. | | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 00:12 - Aug 15 with 669 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 19:35 - Aug 14 by swancity |
Garbage?
I’d strongly disagree with that whilst realising that we can get much better. They could not get the ball off us and we were in complete control against a hard working organised league two side. West Brom for example came unstuck at Fleetwood so you can see that nothing is guaranteed. Our possession based style means that we will dominate the ball more often than not but we can improve in the final third where too many times we cut back inside to keep the ball, then went backwards instead of gambling by taking on a defender. We will get better but I can’t see us improving on last seasons 14th placing. I’m expecting around 16th this time and a season of mediocrity with some good wins thrown in here and there. |
Think the reason Abdulai was reluctant to take on the defence was because there were two defender in close proximity to him most of the time.
Why were two defender there because our strategy in the game was to push the fullbacks right up on the wingers to supposedly support them but by bring the full back up so tight and early the area around the winger is packed with players.
This tactic also means that the midfielders have to come deep to support the centrehalves but that isolates the winger and full back as they press forward up the pitch meaning the ball ends up coming back.
We had similar on Ronald side but Ronald is experienced enough to know against lower division' players he could get away with taking two player on and losing the ball that high up the pitch shouldn't be a danger providing our shape is right.
Abdulai along with others must realise that taking defenders on high up the pitch is not as risky as pussy foot around in your own half.
Really think pushing defender up on our wingers closes their space and also is pretty suicidal given it then gives opposition wingers free space out wide to exploit which is fine if the centreback can get across to the winger and the midfield is quick enough in thought and legs to track back to cover and nullify any dangers in the vacated middle of defence. Which I don't think our picked midfield are.
Happy for fullback to push on to support the wingers with better timed runs because it means that the second opposition defender is usually further away up the park from our winger marking our full backs who hasn't
press forward yet and would find it hard to turn whenour fullback do make the forward run.
The only trouble with that is if their second defender is their star top scoring or assisting winger who staying up the park then our fullback must do his defending job first.
One point to note was William's start to employ the tactic of pushing full backs up towards the end of last season we got away with it at times, for example against Cardiff at home we adopted the tactic and promptly went one nil down. Cardiff was not a game to let the home fans down and the tempo of our game changed to good effect, there are only eleven players on the pitch if you are competitive in all areas of the pitch you have a fighting chance of winning games I hope we can be more competitive because we do have some players who can cause damage. | | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread on 07:36 - Aug 15 with 552 views | onehunglow |
All in all,rather concerning
The fact crowds are dwindling a way might evidence the perception that we are indeed garbage,and very boring to watch.
It’s great to post “ positives” on forums and make oneself out to be superfan loyal but its biggest than any fan .
It’s boring,putrid garbage and the sooner everyone accepts that the better as we will not survive like this folks . | |
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread on 08:42 - Aug 15 with 524 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread on 07:36 - Aug 15 by onehunglow |
All in all,rather concerning
The fact crowds are dwindling a way might evidence the perception that we are indeed garbage,and very boring to watch.
It’s great to post “ positives” on forums and make oneself out to be superfan loyal but its biggest than any fan .
It’s boring,putrid garbage and the sooner everyone accepts that the better as we will not survive like this folks . |
People go "to the football" for different reasons and there are different reasons why they stop going. I go because I enjoy the day out with my mates and to be entertained and hopefully excited at some point, I'm lucky enough at my age to be healthy enough to go and the financial side is not a consideration. People stop going for many reasons poor football is only one reason. It could be family commitments, work, health, finance there are endless reasons including the weather, its probably no joke sitting in the lower tier getting continually soaked. Personally the new TV deal will effect me attending midweek games this season, although I have a season ticket the temptation of watching the game at home on a winters evening may be too tempting. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread on 08:45 - Aug 15 with 510 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread on 08:42 - Aug 15 by Whiterockin |
People go "to the football" for different reasons and there are different reasons why they stop going. I go because I enjoy the day out with my mates and to be entertained and hopefully excited at some point, I'm lucky enough at my age to be healthy enough to go and the financial side is not a consideration. People stop going for many reasons poor football is only one reason. It could be family commitments, work, health, finance there are endless reasons including the weather, its probably no joke sitting in the lower tier getting continually soaked. Personally the new TV deal will effect me attending midweek games this season, although I have a season ticket the temptation of watching the game at home on a winters evening may be too tempting. |
Lovely reply
I went to one game last season and didn’t really enjoy it
I went on me own as my Wirral chum is quite ill .
I used to go to home games with my missus until one particular G shite rattled my cage so it’s best I don’t go anymore .Falling out with family doesn’t encourage me to go back there . I find it very dark.
Don’t tell anyone though
I am beginning to feel very detached from it all but never miss a game here and often abroad. It’s an obsession ,I admit .
I’m very worried about the future ,frankly. [Post edited 15 Aug 8:48]
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| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 19:50 - Aug 15 with 372 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v Gillingham Match day thread 🔴Match Day on 00:12 - Aug 15 by RichardO |
Think the reason Abdulai was reluctant to take on the defence was because there were two defender in close proximity to him most of the time.
Why were two defender there because our strategy in the game was to push the fullbacks right up on the wingers to supposedly support them but by bring the full back up so tight and early the area around the winger is packed with players.
This tactic also means that the midfielders have to come deep to support the centrehalves but that isolates the winger and full back as they press forward up the pitch meaning the ball ends up coming back.
We had similar on Ronald side but Ronald is experienced enough to know against lower division' players he could get away with taking two player on and losing the ball that high up the pitch shouldn't be a danger providing our shape is right.
Abdulai along with others must realise that taking defenders on high up the pitch is not as risky as pussy foot around in your own half.
Really think pushing defender up on our wingers closes their space and also is pretty suicidal given it then gives opposition wingers free space out wide to exploit which is fine if the centreback can get across to the winger and the midfield is quick enough in thought and legs to track back to cover and nullify any dangers in the vacated middle of defence. Which I don't think our picked midfield are.
Happy for fullback to push on to support the wingers with better timed runs because it means that the second opposition defender is usually further away up the park from our winger marking our full backs who hasn't
press forward yet and would find it hard to turn whenour fullback do make the forward run.
The only trouble with that is if their second defender is their star top scoring or assisting winger who staying up the park then our fullback must do his defending job first.
One point to note was William's start to employ the tactic of pushing full backs up towards the end of last season we got away with it at times, for example against Cardiff at home we adopted the tactic and promptly went one nil down. Cardiff was not a game to let the home fans down and the tempo of our game changed to good effect, there are only eleven players on the pitch if you are competitive in all areas of the pitch you have a fighting chance of winning games I hope we can be more competitive because we do have some players who can cause damage. |
or is it a case of Abdulai being stuck in the mindset coached at the academy during the Martin years ....where we were always risk adverse in advanced pistions | |
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