| Message from Manning 14:49 - May 5 with 10717 views | KeithHaynes |
“I feel this has definitely been the best season of my career, that is testament to the players I train and play with every week, as well as the gaffer and all the staff. They are unbelievable, anyone around the club would tell you the same be it on a match day or at the training ground. They have brought us on in every sense, he has made me grow as a person. I probably did not take my career as seriously as he should have. |  |
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| Message from Manning on 15:09 - May 5 with 8832 views | felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why he wants to leave. |  |
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| Message from Manning on 15:17 - May 5 with 8801 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
This is a massive positive reference for Russell Martin and his coaching team. Cooper preferred Bidwell to Manning.
Seeing clips with the players always come over as a bit awkward but this could be misleading. Manning has put down in writing his gratitude. Manning has also taken over set piece duties which might be due to the set piece coach. Love fro this guy has fluctuated from "he has made a hell of a difference" to "what the hell have they been doing in training".
Swansea need to find other players like Manning who need to find their full potential. This echo comments from Wayne Routledge 10 years earlier. |  |
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| Message from Manning on 15:17 - May 5 with 8806 views | Flashberryjack |
| Message from Manning on 15:09 - May 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why he wants to leave. |
£££££££££$$$$$$$$$$$ |  |
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| Message from Manning on 15:45 - May 5 with 8757 views | Badlands |
A bit of a 'so long and thanks for all the fish' |  |
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| Message from Manning on 16:21 - May 5 with 8675 views | Dr_Parnassus |
This is why MK Dons fans reckoned he was a coach more than a manager. It probably adds up to be fair. |  |
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| Message from Manning on 17:31 - May 5 with 8566 views | KeithHaynes |
| Message from Manning on 16:21 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
This is why MK Dons fans reckoned he was a coach more than a manager. It probably adds up to be fair. |
I see his developmental learning away from the training ground as equally as progressive.
Mind you he was at MK Dons two years ago. | |
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| Message from Manning on 22:39 - May 5 with 8381 views | BillyChong |
| Message from Manning on 15:09 - May 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why he wants to leave. |
He doesn’t want to leave. He wants a contract that reflects his worth. | | | |
| Message from Manning on 22:45 - May 5 with 8372 views | pencoedjack |
Good player & a very switched on young man as my thread a month or so proved.
Best of luck to him |  | | |
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| Message from Manning on 22:51 - May 5 with 8356 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 22:39 - May 5 by BillyChong |
He doesn’t want to leave. He wants a contract that reflects his worth. |
If a Championship left back with one good season to his name, later on in his career, reckons he’s worth Premier League wages then he is essentially saying he doesn’t want to be here.
He’s effective because he is essentially our only wide outlet, once Martin gets his act together and brings in attacking width on the left, his impact would be severely reduced anyway. | |
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| Message from Manning on 22:56 - May 5 with 8349 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 22:51 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
If a Championship left back with one good season to his name, later on in his career, reckons he’s worth Premier League wages then he is essentially saying he doesn’t want to be here.
He’s effective because he is essentially our only wide outlet, once Martin gets his act together and brings in attacking width on the left, his impact would be severely reduced anyway. |
Martin ?
He has stated on numerous occasions that was the job of Marsh.
Is he being blamed for Marsh not doing his job ?
Has it changed ?
You said.
-Watson will be key in the player acquisition, footballing direction and chief negotiator in and out. Then the wider ownership group will be overseeing it all and ensuring everyone is doing as they should.-
Just asking the question, [Post edited 5 May 2023 22:58]
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| Message from Manning on 23:00 - May 5 with 8336 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 22:56 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
Martin ?
He has stated on numerous occasions that was the job of Marsh.
Is he being blamed for Marsh not doing his job ?
Has it changed ?
You said.
-Watson will be key in the player acquisition, footballing direction and chief negotiator in and out. Then the wider ownership group will be overseeing it all and ensuring everyone is doing as they should.-
Just asking the question, [Post edited 5 May 2023 22:58]
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Martin has brought in 45 players in his time as a manager (spanning two clubs and 4 seasons).
If you can list the attacking wingers he has brought in (and used), you would probably see what I’m talking about with regards to that.
This wider iteration of his style did not exist prior to the last 2 months, the personnel we have available reflects that. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:02 - May 5 with 8336 views | Badlands |
| Message from Manning on 22:56 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
Martin ?
He has stated on numerous occasions that was the job of Marsh.
Is he being blamed for Marsh not doing his job ?
Has it changed ?
You said.
-Watson will be key in the player acquisition, footballing direction and chief negotiator in and out. Then the wider ownership group will be overseeing it all and ensuring everyone is doing as they should.-
Just asking the question, [Post edited 5 May 2023 22:58]
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Not like Martin to blame others! | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:02 - May 5 with 8336 views | STID2017 |
| Message from Manning on 15:09 - May 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why he wants to leave. |
As Billy Chong alluded to, he just wants what he believes he is worth? |  |
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| Message from Manning on 23:05 - May 5 with 8325 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 22:56 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
Martin ?
He has stated on numerous occasions that was the job of Marsh.
Is he being blamed for Marsh not doing his job ?
Has it changed ?
You said.
-Watson will be key in the player acquisition, footballing direction and chief negotiator in and out. Then the wider ownership group will be overseeing it all and ensuring everyone is doing as they should.-
Just asking the question, [Post edited 5 May 2023 22:58]
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In answer to the added text -
Watson won’t be picking the team, it will be up to Martin to utilise what he has at his disposal. So far, anyone with an ounce of attacking width hasn’t had a look in, instead relying on the likes of Manning and Laird to be the wide outlets who are defensive players by trade. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:08 - May 5 with 8326 views | STID2017 |
| Message from Manning on 22:51 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
If a Championship left back with one good season to his name, later on in his career, reckons he’s worth Premier League wages then he is essentially saying he doesn’t want to be here.
He’s effective because he is essentially our only wide outlet, once Martin gets his act together and brings in attacking width on the left, his impact would be severely reduced anyway. |
He "essentially " saying nothing of the sort.
He has been named our Player of The Year, and is trying to get the best contract he can. I don't blame him, although it seems we cannot afford / will not meet his demands.
However, compare his attitude to that of Obafemi. Manning has been an exemplary professional and has never not given 100%
It often takes only one season to get noticed.
Best wishes to the lad [Post edited 5 May 2023 23:10]
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| Message from Manning on 23:11 - May 5 with 8303 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:05 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
In answer to the added text -
Watson won’t be picking the team, it will be up to Martin to utilise what he has at his disposal. So far, anyone with an ounce of attacking width hasn’t had a look in, instead relying on the likes of Manning and Laird to be the wide outlets who are defensive players by trade. |
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So, Marsh and Watson’s roles aren’t the same ? [Post edited 5 May 2023 23:12]
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| Message from Manning on 23:12 - May 5 with 8291 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 23:08 - May 5 by STID2017 |
He "essentially " saying nothing of the sort.
He has been named our Player of The Year, and is trying to get the best contract he can. I don't blame him, although it seems we cannot afford / will not meet his demands.
However, compare his attitude to that of Obafemi. Manning has been an exemplary professional and has never not given 100%
It often takes only one season to get noticed.
Best wishes to the lad [Post edited 5 May 2023 23:10]
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He is saying that. If he wanted to stay he would stay, he’s already been offered far more than is reasonable to expect for a left back in his late 20’s with 1 good season to his name.
He doesn’t want to be here.
If that upsets some then that’s just the reality of it. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:13 - May 5 with 8290 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:00 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Martin has brought in 45 players in his time as a manager (spanning two clubs and 4 seasons).
If you can list the attacking wingers he has brought in (and used), you would probably see what I’m talking about with regards to that.
This wider iteration of his style did not exist prior to the last 2 months, the personnel we have available reflects that. |
I’m more interested in Swansea City than a made up team from elsewhere. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:17 - May 5 with 8282 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 23:11 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
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So, Marsh and Watson’s roles aren’t the same ? [Post edited 5 May 2023 23:12]
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Marsh and Watson have different skill sets and experience, the job won’t be identical no. Just as Coleman’s role won’t be identical to when Huw was chairman.
Watson will have more governance over the footballing aspect of the business than Marsh did due to his incredible achievements with Luton. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:17 - May 5 with 8283 views | STID2017 |
| Message from Manning on 23:12 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
He is saying that. If he wanted to stay he would stay, he’s already been offered far more than is reasonable to expect for a left back in his late 20’s with 1 good season to his name.
He doesn’t want to be here.
If that upsets some then that’s just the reality of it. |
That is your take on it, not a fact.
If he said " The new contract offered is not acceptable so I am leaving in the summer" that would be fact.
He has not said that, so your opinion is just conjecture.
He may well leave, but no one outside the club's hierarchy knows for certain what will happen | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:21 - May 5 with 8278 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 23:13 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
I’m more interested in Swansea City than a made up team from elsewhere. |
That’s why it’s important to look at Martins style of play and historical preferences.
Neither team he has been at, has he been remotely interested in wide attacking players.
Martin has preferred a wider defensive base and a central attacking system. This was the main issue with his system and what has been finally changed in the last 2 months.
Except we have the likes of Ntcham wider and Darling/Lati right back who are are naturally central players. This has been a change out of necessity not meticulous planning. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:21 - May 5 with 8280 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:02 - May 5 by Badlands |
Not like Martin to blame others! |
Your just using useless terminology, I’m more concerned about what Dr. P can advise not you with a grudge. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:24 - May 5 with 8274 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 23:17 - May 5 by STID2017 |
That is your take on it, not a fact.
If he said " The new contract offered is not acceptable so I am leaving in the summer" that would be fact.
He has not said that, so your opinion is just conjecture.
He may well leave, but no one outside the club's hierarchy knows for certain what will happen |
That’s the reality of the situation; it’s not a take. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:25 - May 5 with 8274 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:21 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s why it’s important to look at Martins style of play and historical preferences.
Neither team he has been at, has he been remotely interested in wide attacking players.
Martin has preferred a wider defensive base and a central attacking system. This was the main issue with his system and what has been finally changed in the last 2 months.
Except we have the likes of Ntcham wider and Darling/Lati right back who are are naturally central players. This has been a change out of necessity not meticulous planning. |
Just asking questions - I’m more concerned about the quote on Martin and - Getting his act together to bring in more width - He has made it clear that Marsh was the person who made these decisions not him, and has said that all the time Marsh was at the club.
So it can’t be Martin’s fault If the guy employed to do what you say doesn’t do it ? Isn’t it not the director of football or whatever he was to blame ? | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:29 - May 5 with 8259 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 23:25 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
Just asking questions - I’m more concerned about the quote on Martin and - Getting his act together to bring in more width - He has made it clear that Marsh was the person who made these decisions not him, and has said that all the time Marsh was at the club.
So it can’t be Martin’s fault If the guy employed to do what you say doesn’t do it ? Isn’t it not the director of football or whatever he was to blame ? |
Nothing to be concerned about.
Martin hasn’t liked attacking wide players, it’s well documented. He has recently learned how important attacking width is, after 2 years of stubborn refusal.
He now needs to work with the SD to get in the required players AND play them and not revert to the old Martinball.
That is squarely on his shoulders, the SD won’t be picking the team. | |
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