| Message from Manning 14:49 - May 5 with 11354 views | KeithHaynes |
“I feel this has definitely been the best season of my career, that is testament to the players I train and play with every week, as well as the gaffer and all the staff. They are unbelievable, anyone around the club would tell you the same be it on a match day or at the training ground. They have brought us on in every sense, he has made me grow as a person. I probably did not take my career as seriously as he should have. |  |
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| Message from Manning on 23:35 - May 5 with 1294 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:29 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nothing to be concerned about.
Martin hasn’t liked attacking wide players, it’s well documented. He has recently learned how important attacking width is, after 2 years of stubborn refusal.
He now needs to work with the SD to get in the required players AND play them and not revert to the old Martinball.
That is squarely on his shoulders, the SD won’t be picking the team. |
Of course the sporting director doesn’t pick the team, but I just assumed Marsh would be acting on Martin’s requirements and his own contacts to bring in players of value. I’m unsure why Martin can be blamed for Marsh’s failings. He was clearly out of his depth.
Without knowing what Martin’s requirements were It’s hard to blame him or even Marsh without solid foundation.
Cheers. |  |
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| Message from Manning on 23:41 - May 5 with 1266 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 23:35 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
Of course the sporting director doesn’t pick the team, but I just assumed Marsh would be acting on Martin’s requirements and his own contacts to bring in players of value. I’m unsure why Martin can be blamed for Marsh’s failings. He was clearly out of his depth.
Without knowing what Martin’s requirements were It’s hard to blame him or even Marsh without solid foundation.
Cheers. |
Marsh AND Martin have to shoulder the blame for recruitment… Martin did not put any importance on getting in wide attacking players through Marsh, only central players he can convert if necessary. When he did get wide players and players with pace, he largely shunned them.
Martin has the luxury of 4 years of slow learning where as with a position like Marsh there is far less tolerance for slower development, he has been thrown to the wolves it seems.
Martin needs to get his act together regarding his player requirements and he will have a man at the helm this time that won’t stand poor standards, Russ will learn quickly that working under/with Watson will be a different animal all together than what he’s worked with previously. [Post edited 21 Jun 2023 20:36]
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| Message from Manning on 23:47 - May 5 with 1278 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:41 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Marsh AND Martin have to shoulder the blame for recruitment… Martin did not put any importance on getting in wide attacking players through Marsh, only central players he can convert if necessary. When he did get wide players and players with pace, he largely shunned them.
Martin has the luxury of 4 years of slow learning where as with a position like Marsh there is far less tolerance for slower development, he has been thrown to the wolves it seems.
Martin needs to get his act together regarding his player requirements and he will have a man at the helm this time that won’t stand poor standards, Russ will learn quickly that working under/with Watson will be a different animal all together than what he’s worked with previously. [Post edited 21 Jun 2023 20:36]
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I’m only interested in the last two seasons. As I said MK Dons mean nothing otherwise we would be chastising Cooper for not getting Swansea in to the premier league.
Who is this Ferguson character ? | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:50 - May 5 with 1252 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 23:47 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
I’m only interested in the last two seasons. As I said MK Dons mean nothing otherwise we would be chastising Cooper for not getting Swansea in to the premier league.
Who is this Ferguson character ? |
Martins management trends span 4 years.
Whether all the years interest you isn’t really the point.
When asking me why he needs to get his act together around his views on attacking width then the answer spans his whole management career. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:52 - May 5 with 1269 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:50 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Martins management trends span 4 years.
Whether all the years interest you isn’t really the point.
When asking me why he needs to get his act together around his views on attacking width then the answer spans his whole management career. |
He’s 37 remember.
Who is this Ferguson character then ? | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:53 - May 5 with 1247 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Investments usually involve “groups” headed by the largest investing person within that group. I would assume the man you refer to belongs in one of the 3 new investment groups, which one of the three I wouldn’t know. I’m sure he would answer if asked though, I don’t do Twitter. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:55 - May 5 with 1266 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:53 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Investments usually involve “groups” headed by the largest investing person within that group. I would assume the man you refer to belongs in one of the 3 new investment groups, which one of the three I wouldn’t know. I’m sure he would answer if asked though, I don’t do Twitter. |
I’ll leave that to Keith, thanks for the intercourse, I hope it wasn’t too sappy. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:56 - May 5 with 1244 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Buffalo Bills player by the looks of it. | |
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| Message from Manning on 23:58 - May 5 with 1242 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 23:52 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
He’s 37 remember.
Who is this Ferguson character then ? |
It’s experience that matters rather than age.
4 years as a manager as a 37 year old is no different to 4 years as a manager as a 45 year old.
After 4 years you should really understand why width is vital in a possession system.
The fact he only appears to have got that now is a big concern to me, personally. | |
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| Message from Manning on 00:07 - May 6 with 1257 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 23:58 - May 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s experience that matters rather than age.
4 years as a manager as a 37 year old is no different to 4 years as a manager as a 45 year old.
After 4 years you should really understand why width is vital in a possession system.
The fact he only appears to have got that now is a big concern to me, personally. |
But he has got it now, if what you say is correct ?
People do need to learn, and don’t know everything all at once. | |
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| Message from Manning on 00:09 - May 6 with 1234 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 00:07 - May 6 by NotLoyal |
But he has got it now, if what you say is correct ?
People do need to learn, and don’t know everything all at once. |
No idea. It’s only been 8 games out of nigh on 100.
If he hasn’t reverted back by Xmas then he will start to earn my trust. As it stands I’m not totally convinced that come kick off next season we won’t be walking the ball around our own box again. | |
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| Message from Manning on 00:12 - May 6 with 1251 views | NotLoyal |
Anyway, well said Ryan Manning 😂ðŸ‘🻠| |
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| Message from Manning on 00:16 - May 6 with 1224 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 00:12 - May 6 by NotLoyal |
Anyway, well said Ryan Manning 😂ðŸ‘🻠|
Just platitudes really isn’t it, I’d hope nobody actually takes these press releases as gospel.
I’d much prefer he back his words with actions, if it’s so great here and he’s been offered an incredible deal then not taking it is ludicrous.
Sometimes what isn’t said is louder than what is. The fact he’s not signing a contract tells me all I need to know about his desire to stay in the situation he claims to be so fond of. | |
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| Message from Manning on 06:21 - May 6 with 1189 views | BillyChong |
| Message from Manning on 00:16 - May 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
Just platitudes really isn’t it, I’d hope nobody actually takes these press releases as gospel.
I’d much prefer he back his words with actions, if it’s so great here and he’s been offered an incredible deal then not taking it is ludicrous.
Sometimes what isn’t said is louder than what is. The fact he’s not signing a contract tells me all I need to know about his desire to stay in the situation he claims to be so fond of. |
How do we know he has been offered an incredible deal? I know for a fact that he would stay if that was the case |  | | |
| Message from Manning on 07:10 - May 6 with 1144 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 06:21 - May 6 by BillyChong |
How do we know he has been offered an incredible deal? I know for a fact that he would stay if that was the case |
Because I know for a fact he has. | |
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| Message from Manning on 07:20 - May 6 with 1134 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Would have made him among the top, if not the top, earner at the club.
I’m happy to see him walk. He’s not worth any more than the offer (not even worth the offer in my view), he doesn’t want to be here unless we pay him a salary he has not earned and does not deserve.
He’s a decent player, but a very replaceable left back who has had an abnormal amount of goal involvements because of Martins system where he acts as the wide player rather than a specialist winger.
Save the money, buy a specialised winger instead of a converted left back and we may well get in the play offs instead of mid table.
Manning is a product of a system rather than anything else, similar to Jamal Lowe under Cooper. He was forced to play up front so scored a fair few goals, but put an actual striker there and the productivity is much better.. ask Piroe.
But that inflated Lowe’s price and stock enough to make another club take him. | |
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| Message from Manning on 07:54 - May 6 with 1120 views | jackrmee |
| Message from Manning on 23:02 - May 5 by STID2017 |
As Billy Chong alluded to, he just wants what he believes he is worth? |
And that’s a bit more, due to not commanding a transfer fee.
As much as I’d love him to stay, he is getting a little bit oldwr now, and he probably wanta to secure as much money for his family as he can.
we cant afford what he can now get.
Fair enough imo.
Fingers are still crossed that the new investment could cover it, but very much doubt it.
Farewell and thanks from me 🙠|  |
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| Message from Manning on 08:02 - May 6 with 1118 views | jackrmee |
| Message from Manning on 23:52 - May 5 by NotLoyal |
He’s 37 remember.
Who is this Ferguson character then ? |
Exactly.
New manager.
Young.
Admits that he hasn’t done the right things at times. Publicly apologised and wants to learn from them.
We take on a brand new manager with basically no experience as a manager, and some fans expect him to be a world beater.
Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t.
Sometimes when it works out, it takes longer than others.
I’m with you mate, I don’t really care what his record at MK Dons was like. All I can see is that he’s slowly improving with us and I’m happy with slowly.
I’m excited to see RM grow and our club grow along with him.
In fact, the slower the better.
The quicker the improvement of the manager, the quicker the set up we have is ripped apart and have to start again.
At the moment, whether the fans like it or not, the players are loving going to work every day and so are the staff.
We have a wonderful way of working with people and gradually, I believe, that will make the difference.
A small improvement and holding on to RM again next year and I’ll be happy. A promotion and I’ll be well chuffed. A playoff berth and losing our manager is a loss imho | |
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| Message from Manning on 08:26 - May 6 with 1066 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 08:02 - May 6 by jackrmee |
Exactly.
New manager.
Young.
Admits that he hasn’t done the right things at times. Publicly apologised and wants to learn from them.
We take on a brand new manager with basically no experience as a manager, and some fans expect him to be a world beater.
Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t.
Sometimes when it works out, it takes longer than others.
I’m with you mate, I don’t really care what his record at MK Dons was like. All I can see is that he’s slowly improving with us and I’m happy with slowly.
I’m excited to see RM grow and our club grow along with him.
In fact, the slower the better.
The quicker the improvement of the manager, the quicker the set up we have is ripped apart and have to start again.
At the moment, whether the fans like it or not, the players are loving going to work every day and so are the staff.
We have a wonderful way of working with people and gradually, I believe, that will make the difference.
A small improvement and holding on to RM again next year and I’ll be happy. A promotion and I’ll be well chuffed. A playoff berth and losing our manager is a loss imho |
He’s not a new manager, he is approaching half a decade in management and going into his 5th season. He’s one of the longest serving current championship managers, 4th on the list I think. This narrative that he’s some rookie just isn’t true.
He retrospectively (sometimes) takes responsibility, rarely if ever does in the heat of the moment and turns that blame elsewhere.
He doesn’t have to be a world beater, just competent and able to get the best out of the talented squad he’s been given. Taking 2 seasons to realise basic things need changing is not good enough regardless of age.
You don’t have to “care” about his record at MK Dons, but you would be foolish to not look back at his entire managerial career when trying to decipher patterns as to what he prefers, what he doesn’t and general philosophy.
You say the players are loving going to work every day yet nobody wants to sign a new contract to stay. They may enjoy it, but the more ambitious among our players are looking elsewhere and clearly think there is a greater chance of success elsewhere.
It’s a shame because the owners are going to really push us on in the summer, but something is clearly stopping them from signing up and it certainly isn’t through lack of fair offers. [Post edited 6 May 2023 8:33]
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| Message from Manning on 10:23 - May 6 with 1023 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 08:26 - May 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
He’s not a new manager, he is approaching half a decade in management and going into his 5th season. He’s one of the longest serving current championship managers, 4th on the list I think. This narrative that he’s some rookie just isn’t true.
He retrospectively (sometimes) takes responsibility, rarely if ever does in the heat of the moment and turns that blame elsewhere.
He doesn’t have to be a world beater, just competent and able to get the best out of the talented squad he’s been given. Taking 2 seasons to realise basic things need changing is not good enough regardless of age.
You don’t have to “care” about his record at MK Dons, but you would be foolish to not look back at his entire managerial career when trying to decipher patterns as to what he prefers, what he doesn’t and general philosophy.
You say the players are loving going to work every day yet nobody wants to sign a new contract to stay. They may enjoy it, but the more ambitious among our players are looking elsewhere and clearly think there is a greater chance of success elsewhere.
It’s a shame because the owners are going to really push us on in the summer, but something is clearly stopping them from signing up and it certainly isn’t through lack of fair offers. [Post edited 6 May 2023 8:33]
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I’ve always been interested in him being accused of blaming others, when did this happen ?
Manning according to the site owner wants double his salary, that’s unachievable, Latibeaudiere is playing a long game and I think he will sign. Manning has already on countless occasions cited the reasons for his leaving. It’s been on here as well as the Irish times from memory. Don’t say or indicate it’s Martin, that’s nonsense.
You cant keep beating Martin with the same stick permanently, It’s ok being a poster on here with knowledge and with an opinion, but it becomes tedious when you frame your posts to attack the manager. Not necessary..
For me, you undermine yourself by doing this. [Post edited 6 May 2023 10:24]
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| Message from Manning on 14:35 - May 6 with 955 views | swan_si |
| Message from Manning on 10:23 - May 6 by NotLoyal |
I’ve always been interested in him being accused of blaming others, when did this happen ?
Manning according to the site owner wants double his salary, that’s unachievable, Latibeaudiere is playing a long game and I think he will sign. Manning has already on countless occasions cited the reasons for his leaving. It’s been on here as well as the Irish times from memory. Don’t say or indicate it’s Martin, that’s nonsense.
You cant keep beating Martin with the same stick permanently, It’s ok being a poster on here with knowledge and with an opinion, but it becomes tedious when you frame your posts to attack the manager. Not necessary..
For me, you undermine yourself by doing this. [Post edited 6 May 2023 10:24]
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"I’ve always been interested in him being accused of blaming others, when did this happen ?"
I've asked the same question on other threads, still waiting for a reply, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. |  | | |
| Message from Manning on 15:46 - May 6 with 907 views | onehunglow |
| Message from Manning on 10:23 - May 6 by NotLoyal |
I’ve always been interested in him being accused of blaming others, when did this happen ?
Manning according to the site owner wants double his salary, that’s unachievable, Latibeaudiere is playing a long game and I think he will sign. Manning has already on countless occasions cited the reasons for his leaving. It’s been on here as well as the Irish times from memory. Don’t say or indicate it’s Martin, that’s nonsense.
You cant keep beating Martin with the same stick permanently, It’s ok being a poster on here with knowledge and with an opinion, but it becomes tedious when you frame your posts to attack the manager. Not necessary..
For me, you undermine yourself by doing this. [Post edited 6 May 2023 10:24]
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For me,there is no need for Dr P to reply as it should be self evident. If it’s not then que sera .
It is evident Martin has massive personal support on here and should he leave to a bigger club,as he might,then some posters will need to reset .
Nobody is beholden to explain themselves or reply to anyone on here.
Opinions are what it’s about and nobody should feel pressurised by anyone to explain anything to people they have and will not ever meet.
The love for Martin is tedious indeed .
As for Manning,another overrated,overloved player and a dram queen to boot.
We can’t get better?
Yes we can
And we will. | |
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| Message from Manning on 16:43 - May 6 with 849 views | NotLoyal |
| Message from Manning on 15:46 - May 6 by onehunglow |
For me,there is no need for Dr P to reply as it should be self evident. If it’s not then que sera .
It is evident Martin has massive personal support on here and should he leave to a bigger club,as he might,then some posters will need to reset .
Nobody is beholden to explain themselves or reply to anyone on here.
Opinions are what it’s about and nobody should feel pressurised by anyone to explain anything to people they have and will not ever meet.
The love for Martin is tedious indeed .
As for Manning,another overrated,overloved player and a dram queen to boot.
We can’t get better?
Yes we can
And we will. |
Ah, so just make allegations and have no come back.
Got it.
Now, tedious. I think Keith got to 53 posts by you in less than a week that were aimed at Russell Martin, and then gave up. Now that’s tedious. | |
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| Message from Manning on 16:53 - May 6 with 834 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Message from Manning on 10:23 - May 6 by NotLoyal |
I’ve always been interested in him being accused of blaming others, when did this happen ?
Manning according to the site owner wants double his salary, that’s unachievable, Latibeaudiere is playing a long game and I think he will sign. Manning has already on countless occasions cited the reasons for his leaving. It’s been on here as well as the Irish times from memory. Don’t say or indicate it’s Martin, that’s nonsense.
You cant keep beating Martin with the same stick permanently, It’s ok being a poster on here with knowledge and with an opinion, but it becomes tedious when you frame your posts to attack the manager. Not necessary..
For me, you undermine yourself by doing this. [Post edited 6 May 2023 10:24]
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You didn’t see the interview of him blaming everything from the bus to the length of the grass?
You have not seen him throw his players under the bus and also the people that pay his wages?
I’ve seen nothing like it,
No undermining of anything, if we are discussing the pros and cons of the manager then I will answer honestly, I won’t conform to opinion just because it makes people feel more comfortable.
Only he can change my mind. It will take more than 7 games. | |
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| Message from Manning on 18:01 - May 6 with 814 views | onehunglow |
| Message from Manning on 16:53 - May 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
You didn’t see the interview of him blaming everything from the bus to the length of the grass?
You have not seen him throw his players under the bus and also the people that pay his wages?
I’ve seen nothing like it,
No undermining of anything, if we are discussing the pros and cons of the manager then I will answer honestly, I won’t conform to opinion just because it makes people feel more comfortable.
Only he can change my mind. It will take more than 7 games. |
It was that self evident , it was a tap in
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