| Amusing or concerning? 11:35 - Aug 1 with 20921 views | Myke |
I can't decide if I am amused or concerned by the negative backlash on here to one, ONE (narrow) away defeat - god only knows what Twitter was like!
Amused on one level, because I can remember a time when league tables weren't even compiled until the first three games were completed - now they are 'live' and a team's position literally changes by the minute.
Concerned because there was a similar reaction to McClaren's first three games in charge and the club panicked and brought in old strikers to assuage the fans. That should not happen again. That is NOT our identity anymore. We need to be patient. We may get an odd shallicking until our new defence and system beds in. Very likely (even without any more signings - which is unlikely) Shodipo, Dozzell and Dykes will now be regular starters and possibly Steph also, once everyone is fit. If, as I expect, we bring in a few more players, then you can likely add Kakay (who was actually okay on Sat) to that list. Two players were making their full debuts and another, with no training sessions, got a run out.
I firmly believe this team will get incrementally better as the season progresses. Not chalk and cheese performances like over the pat two seasons, but a gradual, tangible improvement. We may be in an around the relegation spaces for the first few weeks, but nobody ever got relegated in August or even September - and certainly not in JULY!! |  | | |  |
| Amusing or concerning? on 12:06 - Aug 4 with 2184 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Amusing or concerning? on 18:25 - Aug 3 by PunteR |
The days where we could have hoped to challenge regularly in the top league are gone forever - time some fans accepted that.
Bold statement that. I dont agree.
Are we forgetting that's football is suppose to be a competition. We can be pragmatic about our finances and stadium capacity etc. but to just shrug our shoulders and accept mid table every season and be happy we didn't get relegated is a pretty dire situation for football fans to be in. |
Think you've slightly misrepresented me there.
Mid table for a club our size and outlay at the moment is not a bad season. BUT that does not mean we shouldn't aim higher, expect higher. Those are different things.
But come on. When I say 'challenge on the top league' I'm talking about threatening the top 4. Anyone who thinks that's even remotely possible for a club our size barring an absolute miracle of unheard of proportions does need to have a think. I'm not saying don't dream. But for the forseeable future, such is the money and size of those clubs, we do not stand a chance in hell.
My point is more - that's not a bad thing. This is the state of affairs for virtually all football clubs. It's worse than it used to be, by a long way, but by and large it's been the same now for 30-40 years and the only clubs that have broken the glass ceiling have been those financially doped up to their eyeballs, with the remarkable exception of Leicester - and even they are a club, with a big stadium and a one-club city, that now dwarfs us. 'Success' for us is winning promotion, having a cup run, maybe, one day, in an incredible season, winning a cup. But the impatience for all those things is ruinous for everyone.
Here's the truth: in the next 30 years, we'll likely spend about 20 years in this division, 3-4 years in the one below, and hopefully a few in the one above. Clubs our size, and by that I include about 84 of the 92 clubs in the FL, simply cannot sustain anything else. Sheff Wed will come back, Brentford will fall, Sunderland will roar back, Bournemouth will fall. One or two teams now in the prem will play league one football in the next 30 years.
More acceptance of reality, more patience, while still always demanding the highest standards (AND THIS DOES NOT MEAN NEVER CRITICISING), is not a bad thing: it's healthy. |  |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 12:42 - Aug 4 with 2130 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Amusing or concerning? on 10:45 - Aug 4 by davman |
Not the thread for this, but Brian posted up the Arsenal game on the other thread and that got me all nostalgic. This crap about Thompson"fcked it" through a lack of investment is highly unfair and a typical football fan's view. He was doing what we are trying to do now - run the club sustainably. Without all the data and stats available today, we did that for a good few seasons, but just one failure (to use the Sir Les money well) killed us just as the money go round started.
I agree that if the Thompson had piled money in, we might have had a different outcome today, but they owned us as a business and (I think) may even have made a profit out of that ownership). So, on that, they did well.
The reality was that he was very rich, but not too much of a fan to pile in money to achieve success on the field as they could not have foreseen what football would become.
The older I get, the less I believe Richard Thompson is the devil incarnate. |
I half agree.
We had no right to expect Thompson to throw money into our hobby. He tried to balance the books, he didn't bugger about with the managers and made good choices in his appointments; youth recruitment was pretty good. it wasn't his fault that the Ferdinand money was wasted.
But there was an opportunity to build on the Gerry Francis team with just one or two signings - a replacement for Stejskal, a second striker alongside Les - that could have got us into Europe just as English clubs were being let back in. The financial rewards of doing that and staying in the Premier League at the time football finance were going crazy were just not seen, when other clubs saw them well.
TBH I'm still not sure if I'd be happier if we were a West London West Ham or Spurs but I think the opportunity was there. | | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 12:52 - Aug 4 with 2122 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Amusing or concerning? on 12:42 - Aug 4 by CiderwithRsie |
I half agree.
We had no right to expect Thompson to throw money into our hobby. He tried to balance the books, he didn't bugger about with the managers and made good choices in his appointments; youth recruitment was pretty good. it wasn't his fault that the Ferdinand money was wasted.
But there was an opportunity to build on the Gerry Francis team with just one or two signings - a replacement for Stejskal, a second striker alongside Les - that could have got us into Europe just as English clubs were being let back in. The financial rewards of doing that and staying in the Premier League at the time football finance were going crazy were just not seen, when other clubs saw them well.
TBH I'm still not sure if I'd be happier if we were a West London West Ham or Spurs but I think the opportunity was there. |
yeah, it wasn't about throwing money about, but he missed a golden opportunity to invest when we were at our strongest. 'Balancing the books' is fine, and no one should want him to have just given money to the club - but at that stage, sound sensible investment in a CM, a keeper and another striker would have seen us be serious contenders. | |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 13:05 - Aug 4 with 2109 views | connell10 |
| Amusing or concerning? on 11:55 - Aug 4 by Antti_Heinola |
Why should anyone support a non league club then?
I go to football to support my team and because I love watching football.
If you're going because you think one day we'll win the premier league, you have a lifetime of disappointment ahead of you. Those top clubs in the Prem are light years ahead of us. Thinking we might one day challenge them in our lifetime is like a fan of Beaconsfield hoping they might play championship football in the next 20 years, and, when realising that won't happen, not going anymore because 'what's the point?' |
I've followed Rangers since 1977 , I'm under no illusion, but the moment I give up the dream then that's it for me , game over ! |  |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 13:06 - Aug 4 with 2103 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Amusing or concerning? on 12:52 - Aug 4 by Antti_Heinola |
yeah, it wasn't about throwing money about, but he missed a golden opportunity to invest when we were at our strongest. 'Balancing the books' is fine, and no one should want him to have just given money to the club - but at that stage, sound sensible investment in a CM, a keeper and another striker would have seen us be serious contenders. |
It’s certainly true that his timing was awful.
If we’d stayed up in 96/97 we may have entered that multi billion TV money period and some the club for whatever he wanted!
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| Amusing or concerning? on 13:07 - Aug 4 with 2097 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Amusing or concerning? on 13:05 - Aug 4 by connell10 |
I've followed Rangers since 1977 , I'm under no illusion, but the moment I give up the dream then that's it for me , game over ! |
no one said don't dream mate :) | |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 13:53 - Aug 4 with 2002 views | Myke |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:35 - Aug 3 by Antti_Heinola |
Unpopular but imo realistic view:
Every season we finish mid-table in this league is a par season for the club at the moment. Success is a strong word for it, but for me it's acceptable. People will hate that, and I'm not saying we should aim for it, but we're a small club with a tiny stadium that had 20-25 years in its entire history where top flight football was a regular thing.
Play-offs or above is a great season.
Relegation a poor season.
Fact is, no one built on Gregory's vision. Thompson fcked it through lack of investment; Wright and Fernandes fcked it through idiotic financial decisions. The days where we could have hoped to challenge regularly in the top league are gone forever - time some fans accepted that. |
"The days where we could have hoped to challenge regularly in the top league are gone forever "
Think I misunderstood this too. Thought you meant challenging to GET INTO the top league, not actually challenging IN the top league - which may take a bit longer! | | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 16:19 - Aug 4 with 1904 views | davman |
| Amusing or concerning? on 13:06 - Aug 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It’s certainly true that his timing was awful.
If we’d stayed up in 96/97 we may have entered that multi billion TV money period and some the club for whatever he wanted!
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That seems to be the story of our last 25 years - missed opportunity. Under Thompson, we missed out and then when we finally had access to millions without the shackles of FFP, that Italian tosser and his Russian supporting shortarse held on too long to sell, preventing Warnock keeping the Championship winning team together let alone strengthening it. That in turn led to missing out on Routledge and ending up with Bothroyd, Campbell, the Fulham sick notes and Gabbidon before the final supermarket sweep.
The team that started that first season back was far weaker than the one that started the season before. A missed opportunity.
And when it looked like Bobby's two contributions to QPR history (the Semi assist for Chaz and then that winner in the final) had saved us, we end up leaving that utter clown Redknapp in charge phoning in bonus games whilst we meandered to the weakest of relegations leading to FFP embargoes and record fines back to where we are now, but this time behind a whole heap of other clubs. Another missed opportunity.
God, I love this club, but it is about time they started to treat us right... |  |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 16:30 - Aug 4 with 1893 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Going back to the OP I'm slightly perplexed too. I can only guess that the poor form in the second half of last season is carrying over into people's thoughts this. Nevertheless with the manager only weeks into the job, the season 1 game in and the transfer window yet to shut, it's far too early to draw any conclusions. |  | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:14 - Aug 4 with 1846 views | Northernr |
| Amusing or concerning? on 16:30 - Aug 4 by Benny_the_Ball |
Going back to the OP I'm slightly perplexed too. I can only guess that the poor form in the second half of last season is carrying over into people's thoughts this. Nevertheless with the manager only weeks into the job, the season 1 game in and the transfer window yet to shut, it's far too early to draw any conclusions. |
This is definitely a factor I think.
I'll be honest, I'm pissd off with it all. I predicted we'd lose 1-0 last week and I was right, I'm predicting we get done 2-0 this week and I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it with this team atm.
I let myself get hopeful for the first time in years last season, right through to February it looked like I was right, and if they'd just missed out on the last day or something I'm sure I would have been gutted but proud of the effort. Instead they fell off a cliff, and it turns out everybody was falling out, egos at play, not as well run as we thought we were. My day job wanted me in LA for all of May, interviewing US network executives, and I turned it down the week after Reading at home because OBVIOUSLY the least that would happen is we'd be in the play-offs, and one of my colleagues who's a Leeds fan ended up stuck in LA when they were in the play-offs which wasn't going to happen to me. So I sat here through May while my company was larging it up over there, watching fcking Nottingham Forest.
QPR takes a lot out of me anyway because of this site. It's basically now a second full time job, and I can't do without the income it generates. There's no escape. If we lose 1-0 at Barnsley I can't just escape, do something else, ignore it. I have to crop pictures, and write about the bloody thing. I have to travel to games, even when I don't want to, to cover them. It's really turned my hobby, the thing I love the most, into a chore at times. It sucks up hours and hours of my time. I was so done with it, and QPR, at the end of last season. I was tired and fed up and absolutely gutted the way it went.
We've then had no kind of summer break at all, we're starting way too early because of a poxy corrupt, bent World Cup. It's more expensive than ever at a time when money is squeezed everywhere else in my household budget. The trains are extortionate, and total fcking sht. Getting to Blackburn and back last week was an absolute ars, Sunderland is already shaping up the same, and the whole fcking league is based up there this season so it's just looking like one long clusterfck of unreliable, expensive, strike-riddled railway journeys to watch a team that's not going to be good enough to get results.
I just can't muster any enthusiasm for it at all. Everything, everything, is annoying me about the experience. The twts on Twitter harassing the club to spend money they can't on players that wouldn't come anyway. Standing at the back at Blackburn last week, under a plastic roof three foot above my head, sweating my bollox off, and loads of people just unilaterally decide the smoking ban no longer applies, so we get to breathe a cloud of that for 90 mins to put the tin hat on a sht day. The fact the club, once again, can't get really fcking simple things right, like this rail seating fiasco. This Danny McNamara thing.
Literally everything QPR say and do atm is pissing me off. Even Chloe Kelly, which is a great story, is tinged with this annoyance that they bombed the women's team off into the community trust side of the business a while back because they didn't want to pay for it. Fine, business decision, but you can't then give it the PR biggun all week on the back of an ex player doing something great.
Sigh. I can just feel myself being irritable with it all. Irritable, irrational, unreasonable, harsh. The way last season ended, and getting about 20 minutes off over the summer, has not been a good combination for me. And I suspect from reading around on here and elsewhere online that a few are feeling variations of the same. |  | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:26 - Aug 4 with 1799 views | PunteR |
| Amusing or concerning? on 12:06 - Aug 4 by Antti_Heinola |
Think you've slightly misrepresented me there.
Mid table for a club our size and outlay at the moment is not a bad season. BUT that does not mean we shouldn't aim higher, expect higher. Those are different things.
But come on. When I say 'challenge on the top league' I'm talking about threatening the top 4. Anyone who thinks that's even remotely possible for a club our size barring an absolute miracle of unheard of proportions does need to have a think. I'm not saying don't dream. But for the forseeable future, such is the money and size of those clubs, we do not stand a chance in hell.
My point is more - that's not a bad thing. This is the state of affairs for virtually all football clubs. It's worse than it used to be, by a long way, but by and large it's been the same now for 30-40 years and the only clubs that have broken the glass ceiling have been those financially doped up to their eyeballs, with the remarkable exception of Leicester - and even they are a club, with a big stadium and a one-club city, that now dwarfs us. 'Success' for us is winning promotion, having a cup run, maybe, one day, in an incredible season, winning a cup. But the impatience for all those things is ruinous for everyone.
Here's the truth: in the next 30 years, we'll likely spend about 20 years in this division, 3-4 years in the one below, and hopefully a few in the one above. Clubs our size, and by that I include about 84 of the 92 clubs in the FL, simply cannot sustain anything else. Sheff Wed will come back, Brentford will fall, Sunderland will roar back, Bournemouth will fall. One or two teams now in the prem will play league one football in the next 30 years.
More acceptance of reality, more patience, while still always demanding the highest standards (AND THIS DOES NOT MEAN NEVER CRITICISING), is not a bad thing: it's healthy. |
"When I say 'challenge on the top league' I'm talking about threatening the top 4".
Well if you meant that then yes we have our wires crossed.
Im talking about being contenders for Premier league status.
Crystal palace, Fulham, Brentford are showing its achievable. Watford another club of similar to us have yo yo'd .
But yeh, challenging for a champions league spot is stuff of fantasy.
At the moment. ;) |  |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 17:29 - Aug 4 with 1789 views | sprocket |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:14 - Aug 4 by Northernr |
This is definitely a factor I think.
I'll be honest, I'm pissd off with it all. I predicted we'd lose 1-0 last week and I was right, I'm predicting we get done 2-0 this week and I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it with this team atm.
I let myself get hopeful for the first time in years last season, right through to February it looked like I was right, and if they'd just missed out on the last day or something I'm sure I would have been gutted but proud of the effort. Instead they fell off a cliff, and it turns out everybody was falling out, egos at play, not as well run as we thought we were. My day job wanted me in LA for all of May, interviewing US network executives, and I turned it down the week after Reading at home because OBVIOUSLY the least that would happen is we'd be in the play-offs, and one of my colleagues who's a Leeds fan ended up stuck in LA when they were in the play-offs which wasn't going to happen to me. So I sat here through May while my company was larging it up over there, watching fcking Nottingham Forest.
QPR takes a lot out of me anyway because of this site. It's basically now a second full time job, and I can't do without the income it generates. There's no escape. If we lose 1-0 at Barnsley I can't just escape, do something else, ignore it. I have to crop pictures, and write about the bloody thing. I have to travel to games, even when I don't want to, to cover them. It's really turned my hobby, the thing I love the most, into a chore at times. It sucks up hours and hours of my time. I was so done with it, and QPR, at the end of last season. I was tired and fed up and absolutely gutted the way it went.
We've then had no kind of summer break at all, we're starting way too early because of a poxy corrupt, bent World Cup. It's more expensive than ever at a time when money is squeezed everywhere else in my household budget. The trains are extortionate, and total fcking sht. Getting to Blackburn and back last week was an absolute ars, Sunderland is already shaping up the same, and the whole fcking league is based up there this season so it's just looking like one long clusterfck of unreliable, expensive, strike-riddled railway journeys to watch a team that's not going to be good enough to get results.
I just can't muster any enthusiasm for it at all. Everything, everything, is annoying me about the experience. The twts on Twitter harassing the club to spend money they can't on players that wouldn't come anyway. Standing at the back at Blackburn last week, under a plastic roof three foot above my head, sweating my bollox off, and loads of people just unilaterally decide the smoking ban no longer applies, so we get to breathe a cloud of that for 90 mins to put the tin hat on a sht day. The fact the club, once again, can't get really fcking simple things right, like this rail seating fiasco. This Danny McNamara thing.
Literally everything QPR say and do atm is pissing me off. Even Chloe Kelly, which is a great story, is tinged with this annoyance that they bombed the women's team off into the community trust side of the business a while back because they didn't want to pay for it. Fine, business decision, but you can't then give it the PR biggun all week on the back of an ex player doing something great.
Sigh. I can just feel myself being irritable with it all. Irritable, irrational, unreasonable, harsh. The way last season ended, and getting about 20 minutes off over the summer, has not been a good combination for me. And I suspect from reading around on here and elsewhere online that a few are feeling variations of the same. |
 Bloody hell Clive... I know most admire the work you do and let's be honest the site would just not be the same without you however you have to look after yourself. QPR will be around long after all of us are gone. | | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:35 - Aug 4 with 1774 views | Northernr |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:29 - Aug 4 by sprocket |
Bloody hell Clive... I know most admire the work you do and let's be honest the site would just not be the same without you however you have to look after yourself. QPR will be around long after all of us are gone. |
Look I still love it, still my favourite thing, missed it terribly during lockdown. I'm sure the enthusiasm will come back. But the way last season ended, trying to get back into it in the middle of fcking July, with a substandard team, so we can have a World Cup in fcking Qatar, has not been the one at all.
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| Amusing or concerning? on 17:49 - Aug 4 with 1750 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:14 - Aug 4 by Northernr |
This is definitely a factor I think.
I'll be honest, I'm pissd off with it all. I predicted we'd lose 1-0 last week and I was right, I'm predicting we get done 2-0 this week and I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it with this team atm.
I let myself get hopeful for the first time in years last season, right through to February it looked like I was right, and if they'd just missed out on the last day or something I'm sure I would have been gutted but proud of the effort. Instead they fell off a cliff, and it turns out everybody was falling out, egos at play, not as well run as we thought we were. My day job wanted me in LA for all of May, interviewing US network executives, and I turned it down the week after Reading at home because OBVIOUSLY the least that would happen is we'd be in the play-offs, and one of my colleagues who's a Leeds fan ended up stuck in LA when they were in the play-offs which wasn't going to happen to me. So I sat here through May while my company was larging it up over there, watching fcking Nottingham Forest.
QPR takes a lot out of me anyway because of this site. It's basically now a second full time job, and I can't do without the income it generates. There's no escape. If we lose 1-0 at Barnsley I can't just escape, do something else, ignore it. I have to crop pictures, and write about the bloody thing. I have to travel to games, even when I don't want to, to cover them. It's really turned my hobby, the thing I love the most, into a chore at times. It sucks up hours and hours of my time. I was so done with it, and QPR, at the end of last season. I was tired and fed up and absolutely gutted the way it went.
We've then had no kind of summer break at all, we're starting way too early because of a poxy corrupt, bent World Cup. It's more expensive than ever at a time when money is squeezed everywhere else in my household budget. The trains are extortionate, and total fcking sht. Getting to Blackburn and back last week was an absolute ars, Sunderland is already shaping up the same, and the whole fcking league is based up there this season so it's just looking like one long clusterfck of unreliable, expensive, strike-riddled railway journeys to watch a team that's not going to be good enough to get results.
I just can't muster any enthusiasm for it at all. Everything, everything, is annoying me about the experience. The twts on Twitter harassing the club to spend money they can't on players that wouldn't come anyway. Standing at the back at Blackburn last week, under a plastic roof three foot above my head, sweating my bollox off, and loads of people just unilaterally decide the smoking ban no longer applies, so we get to breathe a cloud of that for 90 mins to put the tin hat on a sht day. The fact the club, once again, can't get really fcking simple things right, like this rail seating fiasco. This Danny McNamara thing.
Literally everything QPR say and do atm is pissing me off. Even Chloe Kelly, which is a great story, is tinged with this annoyance that they bombed the women's team off into the community trust side of the business a while back because they didn't want to pay for it. Fine, business decision, but you can't then give it the PR biggun all week on the back of an ex player doing something great.
Sigh. I can just feel myself being irritable with it all. Irritable, irrational, unreasonable, harsh. The way last season ended, and getting about 20 minutes off over the summer, has not been a good combination for me. And I suspect from reading around on here and elsewhere online that a few are feeling variations of the same. |
Clive you are being too harsh on yourself. I had a break from going to QPR from 1986 through to 2014, fell out of love with us a bit after the 1986 Oxford Milk Cup final debacle and then drifted away, getting married and moving away from London. Got invited back by our mutual friend for the 2014 play off final, fell in love with QPR again, met old acquaintances made new acquaintances and have had a season ticket now for last 7 years. OK travel 60 odd miles to home games rather than the old 5 or 6 miles from Northolt in the 80s, but I just enjoy it probably more now than I did back then. |  | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 18:10 - Aug 4 with 1713 views | switchingcode |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:35 - Aug 4 by Northernr |
Look I still love it, still my favourite thing, missed it terribly during lockdown. I'm sure the enthusiasm will come back. But the way last season ended, trying to get back into it in the middle of fcking July, with a substandard team, so we can have a World Cup in fcking Qatar, has not been the one at all.
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Hope you get 3 wins on the spin Clive just to cheer you up,you deserve it. | | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 18:17 - Aug 4 with 1712 views | daveB |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:35 - Aug 4 by Northernr |
Look I still love it, still my favourite thing, missed it terribly during lockdown. I'm sure the enthusiasm will come back. But the way last season ended, trying to get back into it in the middle of fcking July, with a substandard team, so we can have a World Cup in fcking Qatar, has not been the one at all.
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feel for you Clive, hopefully a win on Saturday cheers you up.
Think there has been a bit of a perfect storm of apathy for this season with the way last season ended, the squad not looking great and needing obvious improvement in some areas, a tough start fixture wise with I think most of us not expecting us to win any of the first 3 league games. The start feels eerily similar to the McClaren season in needing a striker and right back and a tough start with a focus on coaching etc after a popular manager got the boot. Our first home game that year was against Wilder as well.
Little things like the rail seating cock up, season tickets out late, shirts unavaliable to buy they all add to it and whereas last season we were all desperate to get to games and on a high it feels the opposite this year. I'm not going Saturday due a family do and really not that bothered to miss it which is really unlike me. |  | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 18:30 - Aug 4 with 1660 views | R_from_afar |
QPR is a cruel mistress, that's for sure.
I feel for you, Clive. Perhaps we can have some guest reviewers for some of the away games? You pump out a ton of content and it is greatly appreciated  |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 18:41 - Aug 4 with 1636 views | EastR |
| Amusing or concerning? on 18:17 - Aug 4 by daveB |
feel for you Clive, hopefully a win on Saturday cheers you up.
Think there has been a bit of a perfect storm of apathy for this season with the way last season ended, the squad not looking great and needing obvious improvement in some areas, a tough start fixture wise with I think most of us not expecting us to win any of the first 3 league games. The start feels eerily similar to the McClaren season in needing a striker and right back and a tough start with a focus on coaching etc after a popular manager got the boot. Our first home game that year was against Wilder as well.
Little things like the rail seating cock up, season tickets out late, shirts unavaliable to buy they all add to it and whereas last season we were all desperate to get to games and on a high it feels the opposite this year. I'm not going Saturday due a family do and really not that bothered to miss it which is really unlike me. |
Agreed. The club, the squad and the team seem under cooked for the start of the season and I think that is drifting out to the support base to an extent. It feels like we've handicapped ourselves until the close of the transfer window and it's only then there might be a chance to kick start the season.
Personally, the game is almost a side show to catching with with some friends after not seeing them since last season ended | |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 18:44 - Aug 4 with 1617 views | BklynRanger |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:35 - Aug 4 by Northernr |
Look I still love it, still my favourite thing, missed it terribly during lockdown. I'm sure the enthusiasm will come back. But the way last season ended, trying to get back into it in the middle of fcking July, with a substandard team, so we can have a World Cup in fcking Qatar, has not been the one at all.
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OK Clive one thing I'd like to see you do in the coming months is phone a few post match reports in. One or two searing paragraphs, John Candy references optional, a handful of pics, that's it. Don't break your neck when we're all equally irritated anyway, seriously.
This patreon is literally less than a couple of quid a week, and in many ways a post-dated cheque for years of effort so it should not be a millstone around your neck. As a wise man once said, "If something's hard to do then it's not worth doing". |  | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 19:06 - Aug 4 with 1580 views | DejR_vu |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:14 - Aug 4 by Northernr |
This is definitely a factor I think.
I'll be honest, I'm pissd off with it all. I predicted we'd lose 1-0 last week and I was right, I'm predicting we get done 2-0 this week and I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it with this team atm.
I let myself get hopeful for the first time in years last season, right through to February it looked like I was right, and if they'd just missed out on the last day or something I'm sure I would have been gutted but proud of the effort. Instead they fell off a cliff, and it turns out everybody was falling out, egos at play, not as well run as we thought we were. My day job wanted me in LA for all of May, interviewing US network executives, and I turned it down the week after Reading at home because OBVIOUSLY the least that would happen is we'd be in the play-offs, and one of my colleagues who's a Leeds fan ended up stuck in LA when they were in the play-offs which wasn't going to happen to me. So I sat here through May while my company was larging it up over there, watching fcking Nottingham Forest.
QPR takes a lot out of me anyway because of this site. It's basically now a second full time job, and I can't do without the income it generates. There's no escape. If we lose 1-0 at Barnsley I can't just escape, do something else, ignore it. I have to crop pictures, and write about the bloody thing. I have to travel to games, even when I don't want to, to cover them. It's really turned my hobby, the thing I love the most, into a chore at times. It sucks up hours and hours of my time. I was so done with it, and QPR, at the end of last season. I was tired and fed up and absolutely gutted the way it went.
We've then had no kind of summer break at all, we're starting way too early because of a poxy corrupt, bent World Cup. It's more expensive than ever at a time when money is squeezed everywhere else in my household budget. The trains are extortionate, and total fcking sht. Getting to Blackburn and back last week was an absolute ars, Sunderland is already shaping up the same, and the whole fcking league is based up there this season so it's just looking like one long clusterfck of unreliable, expensive, strike-riddled railway journeys to watch a team that's not going to be good enough to get results.
I just can't muster any enthusiasm for it at all. Everything, everything, is annoying me about the experience. The twts on Twitter harassing the club to spend money they can't on players that wouldn't come anyway. Standing at the back at Blackburn last week, under a plastic roof three foot above my head, sweating my bollox off, and loads of people just unilaterally decide the smoking ban no longer applies, so we get to breathe a cloud of that for 90 mins to put the tin hat on a sht day. The fact the club, once again, can't get really fcking simple things right, like this rail seating fiasco. This Danny McNamara thing.
Literally everything QPR say and do atm is pissing me off. Even Chloe Kelly, which is a great story, is tinged with this annoyance that they bombed the women's team off into the community trust side of the business a while back because they didn't want to pay for it. Fine, business decision, but you can't then give it the PR biggun all week on the back of an ex player doing something great.
Sigh. I can just feel myself being irritable with it all. Irritable, irrational, unreasonable, harsh. The way last season ended, and getting about 20 minutes off over the summer, has not been a good combination for me. And I suspect from reading around on here and elsewhere online that a few are feeling variations of the same. |
You’re still a young bloke Clive, even if QPR don’t make you feel that way. Wait until you’ve had another 20 years or so of it 😉.
We’ll go on a winning run at some point and you’ll get your mojo back, just long enough to kick you in the nads again 🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ ðŸ¤¨ | |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 20:13 - Aug 4 with 1498 views | Rangersw12 |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:35 - Aug 4 by Northernr |
Look I still love it, still my favourite thing, missed it terribly during lockdown. I'm sure the enthusiasm will come back. But the way last season ended, trying to get back into it in the middle of fcking July, with a substandard team, so we can have a World Cup in fcking Qatar, has not been the one at all.
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Weather looks decent and once the beers start flowing it will be a good day regardless of the result | | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 20:39 - Aug 4 with 1466 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Amusing or concerning? on 17:14 - Aug 4 by Northernr |
This is definitely a factor I think.
I'll be honest, I'm pissd off with it all. I predicted we'd lose 1-0 last week and I was right, I'm predicting we get done 2-0 this week and I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it with this team atm.
I let myself get hopeful for the first time in years last season, right through to February it looked like I was right, and if they'd just missed out on the last day or something I'm sure I would have been gutted but proud of the effort. Instead they fell off a cliff, and it turns out everybody was falling out, egos at play, not as well run as we thought we were. My day job wanted me in LA for all of May, interviewing US network executives, and I turned it down the week after Reading at home because OBVIOUSLY the least that would happen is we'd be in the play-offs, and one of my colleagues who's a Leeds fan ended up stuck in LA when they were in the play-offs which wasn't going to happen to me. So I sat here through May while my company was larging it up over there, watching fcking Nottingham Forest.
QPR takes a lot out of me anyway because of this site. It's basically now a second full time job, and I can't do without the income it generates. There's no escape. If we lose 1-0 at Barnsley I can't just escape, do something else, ignore it. I have to crop pictures, and write about the bloody thing. I have to travel to games, even when I don't want to, to cover them. It's really turned my hobby, the thing I love the most, into a chore at times. It sucks up hours and hours of my time. I was so done with it, and QPR, at the end of last season. I was tired and fed up and absolutely gutted the way it went.
We've then had no kind of summer break at all, we're starting way too early because of a poxy corrupt, bent World Cup. It's more expensive than ever at a time when money is squeezed everywhere else in my household budget. The trains are extortionate, and total fcking sht. Getting to Blackburn and back last week was an absolute ars, Sunderland is already shaping up the same, and the whole fcking league is based up there this season so it's just looking like one long clusterfck of unreliable, expensive, strike-riddled railway journeys to watch a team that's not going to be good enough to get results.
I just can't muster any enthusiasm for it at all. Everything, everything, is annoying me about the experience. The twts on Twitter harassing the club to spend money they can't on players that wouldn't come anyway. Standing at the back at Blackburn last week, under a plastic roof three foot above my head, sweating my bollox off, and loads of people just unilaterally decide the smoking ban no longer applies, so we get to breathe a cloud of that for 90 mins to put the tin hat on a sht day. The fact the club, once again, can't get really fcking simple things right, like this rail seating fiasco. This Danny McNamara thing.
Literally everything QPR say and do atm is pissing me off. Even Chloe Kelly, which is a great story, is tinged with this annoyance that they bombed the women's team off into the community trust side of the business a while back because they didn't want to pay for it. Fine, business decision, but you can't then give it the PR biggun all week on the back of an ex player doing something great.
Sigh. I can just feel myself being irritable with it all. Irritable, irrational, unreasonable, harsh. The way last season ended, and getting about 20 minutes off over the summer, has not been a good combination for me. And I suspect from reading around on here and elsewhere online that a few are feeling variations of the same. |
After reading this I've little doubt now that it's a factor. The quick turnaround together with managerial changes has left little room to digest last season's brutal collapse in form. This season almost feels like an extension of the last and the fanbase is still carrying the emotional baggage. The challenges that we're now facing as a society are only exacerbating this feeling and, at the moment, QPR are providing no release.
As it stands I don't feel overly positive about the team's immediate prospects either but I'm hopeful that, given time, Beale can work his magic and make us competitive again.
I haven't mentioned this previously as I'm usually a private person but I feel compelled to after hearing your story. It's been a wretched 2 years for my family. My business took a battering in the pandemic. At the same time my mother contracted illnesses of the bones, lungs and heart. The NHS wouldn't treat her as they were focusing on covid-19 so I spent the last year as a part-time carer whilst trying to keep the business afloat. I watched her suffer and wither away in front of my very eyes whilst folk banged pots and pans for the very doctors who refused to treat her. My marriage was strained at the seams and I, like you, was irritable with it all.
Mum passed away in the spring. Whilst it's heart-breaking and painful on a personal level, I feel a sense of relief that her suffering is over. She, and I to a lesser degree, have found peace.
Why am I telling you this you may ask? Well, her passing coincided with QPR's collapse in form but, if I'm honest, nothing that was happening on the pitch at the time mattered to me. You see, it really is all relative and there are more important things in life.
The irony is that having come through the personal stuff, I'm not carrying any QPR baggage and I'm ready to view this season on its own merits. I understand that this is more difficult for you than most given that you're so heavily invested but I urge you (and indeed others) to do the same and do whatever it takes to protect your wellbeing. [Post edited 4 Aug 2022 20:45]
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| Amusing or concerning? on 20:48 - Aug 4 with 1422 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Best wishes to you, Benny, and peace and rest for your Mom x |  |
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| Amusing or concerning? on 20:54 - Aug 4 with 1402 views | Northernr |
| Amusing or concerning? on 20:39 - Aug 4 by Benny_the_Ball |
After reading this I've little doubt now that it's a factor. The quick turnaround together with managerial changes has left little room to digest last season's brutal collapse in form. This season almost feels like an extension of the last and the fanbase is still carrying the emotional baggage. The challenges that we're now facing as a society are only exacerbating this feeling and, at the moment, QPR are providing no release.
As it stands I don't feel overly positive about the team's immediate prospects either but I'm hopeful that, given time, Beale can work his magic and make us competitive again.
I haven't mentioned this previously as I'm usually a private person but I feel compelled to after hearing your story. It's been a wretched 2 years for my family. My business took a battering in the pandemic. At the same time my mother contracted illnesses of the bones, lungs and heart. The NHS wouldn't treat her as they were focusing on covid-19 so I spent the last year as a part-time carer whilst trying to keep the business afloat. I watched her suffer and wither away in front of my very eyes whilst folk banged pots and pans for the very doctors who refused to treat her. My marriage was strained at the seams and I, like you, was irritable with it all.
Mum passed away in the spring. Whilst it's heart-breaking and painful on a personal level, I feel a sense of relief that her suffering is over. She, and I to a lesser degree, have found peace.
Why am I telling you this you may ask? Well, her passing coincided with QPR's collapse in form but, if I'm honest, nothing that was happening on the pitch at the time mattered to me. You see, it really is all relative and there are more important things in life.
The irony is that having come through the personal stuff, I'm not carrying any QPR baggage and I'm ready to view this season on its own merits. I understand that this is more difficult for you than most given that you're so heavily invested but I urge you (and indeed others) to do the same and do whatever it takes to protect your wellbeing. [Post edited 4 Aug 2022 20:45]
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Well best wishes to you mate. Mine are v much first world problems compared to that but I’ve been Through that in the past so know what you’re going through. Take care of you and yours. | | | |
| Amusing or concerning? on 21:28 - Aug 4 with 1238 views | daveB |
| Amusing or concerning? on 20:39 - Aug 4 by Benny_the_Ball |
After reading this I've little doubt now that it's a factor. The quick turnaround together with managerial changes has left little room to digest last season's brutal collapse in form. This season almost feels like an extension of the last and the fanbase is still carrying the emotional baggage. The challenges that we're now facing as a society are only exacerbating this feeling and, at the moment, QPR are providing no release.
As it stands I don't feel overly positive about the team's immediate prospects either but I'm hopeful that, given time, Beale can work his magic and make us competitive again.
I haven't mentioned this previously as I'm usually a private person but I feel compelled to after hearing your story. It's been a wretched 2 years for my family. My business took a battering in the pandemic. At the same time my mother contracted illnesses of the bones, lungs and heart. The NHS wouldn't treat her as they were focusing on covid-19 so I spent the last year as a part-time carer whilst trying to keep the business afloat. I watched her suffer and wither away in front of my very eyes whilst folk banged pots and pans for the very doctors who refused to treat her. My marriage was strained at the seams and I, like you, was irritable with it all.
Mum passed away in the spring. Whilst it's heart-breaking and painful on a personal level, I feel a sense of relief that her suffering is over. She, and I to a lesser degree, have found peace.
Why am I telling you this you may ask? Well, her passing coincided with QPR's collapse in form but, if I'm honest, nothing that was happening on the pitch at the time mattered to me. You see, it really is all relative and there are more important things in life.
The irony is that having come through the personal stuff, I'm not carrying any QPR baggage and I'm ready to view this season on its own merits. I understand that this is more difficult for you than most given that you're so heavily invested but I urge you (and indeed others) to do the same and do whatever it takes to protect your wellbeing. [Post edited 4 Aug 2022 20:45]
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Blimey, puts me moaning about nonsence into perspecvtive.
Sorry for your loss and hope you are OK | | | |
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