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An Australian professor of Data Analytics from Griffith University who predicted Trump’s first win, the Australian Federal Election(when all the polls said the opposite) and Brexit has called it - Trump will be re-elected for another 4 years. You heard it here first.
Konk, if the affidavit signed by Arturo D'Elia is true then why would the man admit to such a thing knowing it would probably result in a prison term. D'Elia is/was the Chief Technical Officer at Leonardo SpA, the eighth largest aerospace, defence and security in the world.
I headed up my original post with a 'What if' statement. I'm not generally into conspiracy theories but this one intrigues me as, for the life of me, I can't see a positive in D'Elia admitting to these acts.
For me, it will be interesting to see what becomes of this story. Especially as the affidavit has now been delivered to Congress.
D’Elia isn’t/wasn’t the CTO of Leonardo or any other company. He is an IT consultant who worked for a small tech company. He got arrested in December for hacking while working at Leonardo. It looks like he was trying to steal details of an unmanned fighter jet program. Hacking is a pretty serious crime so maybe he signed that affidavit hoping it would lessen his sentence and perhaps win some brownie points somewhere - who knows? But to me it sounds like yet another loony claiming conspiracy where there isn’t one.
I was reading somewhere that the voting machines in the election aren’t even connected to a network so would be interested to know whether it’s even possible to hack into them from Italy.
D’Elia isn’t/wasn’t the CTO of Leonardo or any other company. He is an IT consultant who worked for a small tech company. He got arrested in December for hacking while working at Leonardo. It looks like he was trying to steal details of an unmanned fighter jet program. Hacking is a pretty serious crime so maybe he signed that affidavit hoping it would lessen his sentence and perhaps win some brownie points somewhere - who knows? But to me it sounds like yet another loony claiming conspiracy where there isn’t one.
I was reading somewhere that the voting machines in the election aren’t even connected to a network so would be interested to know whether it’s even possible to hack into them from Italy.
Well, on a CV of his he describes himself as a CTO at Leonardo SpA for a period of ten years although he did use the company's previous name which was Finmeccanica.
I assumed that he worked directly for Leonardo rather than being an IT consultant for such a long period of time.
The voting machines don't have to be connected to a network. He could, and it sounds as though he did in the paperwork I've read, access key machines (computers) within each state and adjust figures for just marginal states.
I'm not having a dig here, but the Times will screw Tory Governments if they have a good scoop, The Guardian will publish stories that embarrass Labour; the idea that MSM (God, I fu cking hate that I just typed that), across the board are ignoring huge stories - such as this would be - is just flying in the face of reality. If there was anything to stories of this ilk, then surely MSM would be all over it; half the media would love nothing more than for evidence of Dem fraud. A perfect example being the Hunter Biden laptop story that even FOX news rejected as lacking credibility, and which Trump's people still want us to believe failed to pick-up any traction because of some MSM (argh!) conspiracy.
The D'Elia story I posted only appears to have broken today. If I hear nothing more of it I will be surprised as the Congress are being handed that affidavit and should have to make some kind of response. Time will tell.
The Hunter Biden laptop was really interesting when it broke. For a few hours there were a very large number of files and a few videos purportedly from it, to be found on the net. The sheer volume of information was impressive. Unfortunately, it all disappeared PDQ. I wish I could still access it as it seemed pretty damning to me.
Don't take me for a Trump supporter just because I saw things about the Biden family that I didn't care for. To me, the USA have just swapped a crazy president for a crooked one if those files I saw were true.
The D'Elia story I posted only appears to have broken today. If I hear nothing more of it I will be surprised as the Congress are being handed that affidavit and should have to make some kind of response. Time will tell.
The Hunter Biden laptop was really interesting when it broke. For a few hours there were a very large number of files and a few videos purportedly from it, to be found on the net. The sheer volume of information was impressive. Unfortunately, it all disappeared PDQ. I wish I could still access it as it seemed pretty damning to me.
Don't take me for a Trump supporter just because I saw things about the Biden family that I didn't care for. To me, the USA have just swapped a crazy president for a crooked one if those files I saw were true.
I feel the same about Biden but I would be surprised if he is still there in a year/18 Months
I haven't stood up for Trump in any of the other cases he's brought. I have assumed in every instance that if he didn't produce evidence it was because he had none.
This case is just a bit different. It didn't come from Trump. The affidavit is new to all and sundry in US Government although I believe Maria Zack had talked to Trump beforehand about the possibility of having a smoking gun coming.
I have now discovered that D'Elia was arrested on a hacking charge at Leonardo SpA in early December. This affidavit might just be connected to the charge he was arrested for last month.
He might be using it to deflect from the computer hacking he is charged with or it might be to admit to all wrongdoings before he gets to court.
Anyway, I'm curious about it, I suppose, because of my previous IT background.
Not trying to be argumentative here but in answer to your earlier question "what did he have to gain?" I'd say a presidential pardon / political aslyum for the hacking charge might be one thing? This president after all has been known to grant pardons to those doing him favors.
As a youngster I was a computer programmer, I progressed to working as a business analyst and systems analyst, later on I became a project manager, department head and, finally, I was head of IT for a multi-national company.
If you are looking for my weaknesses in IT, they would be on the hardware side of things.
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Was genuinely curious and not looking for any weakness as I barely hold the mouse the right way up and don’t know what any of your job titles mean.
All these politicians and suchlike in front of TV cameras talking about the desecration of democracy, the violence etc could do with looking at the real loss of democracy in America and the violence - physical and mental - perpetuated on their own people of all colours and creeds, then take a look at the violence perpetuated by the American state and it's consorts around the world and become better servants to their people. I am not in any way condoning what this alliance of facists and whatever did yesterday, Trump is a criminal, but the hypocrisy. Michelle Obama 'hurting for her country', were you hurting for the 9 million who lost their homes while your husband's government bailed out the banks? Or the people of Flint ingesting lead while your husband talked about paint and pretended to sip the water? fck, I hate them all
All these politicians and suchlike in front of TV cameras talking about the desecration of democracy, the violence etc could do with looking at the real loss of democracy in America and the violence - physical and mental - perpetuated on their own people of all colours and creeds, then take a look at the violence perpetuated by the American state and it's consorts around the world and become better servants to their people. I am not in any way condoning what this alliance of facists and whatever did yesterday, Trump is a criminal, but the hypocrisy. Michelle Obama 'hurting for her country', were you hurting for the 9 million who lost their homes while your husband's government bailed out the banks? Or the people of Flint ingesting lead while your husband talked about paint and pretended to sip the water? fck, I hate them all
Not trying to be argumentative here but in answer to your earlier question "what did he have to gain?" I'd say a presidential pardon / political aslyum for the hacking charge might be one thing? This president after all has been known to grant pardons to those doing him favors.
I see what you are getting at but the guy only signed the affidavit yesterday. Donald Trump was not in much of a position to do favours by then. D'Elia should have signed one weeks earlier to give Trump a chance to return a favour.
Also the affidavit is Italian so not really applicable for an American favour. He admits to hacking into and modifying data in an Italian system and transmitting the data across to a German system before the adjusted data goes back into the American system. Even if pardoned in the USA, he's still committed fraudulent behaviour in Italy and Germany for which he can be prosecuted.
Well, on a CV of his he describes himself as a CTO at Leonardo SpA for a period of ten years although he did use the company's previous name which was Finmeccanica.
I assumed that he worked directly for Leonardo rather than being an IT consultant for such a long period of time.
The voting machines don't have to be connected to a network. He could, and it sounds as though he did in the paperwork I've read, access key machines (computers) within each state and adjust figures for just marginal states.
That makes no sense. The votes were verified in those marginal states. In Georgia they were counted 3 times, twice by hand. The numbers couldn’t have been “hacked” via computer. The affidavit states he did the hack on the 4th November, the day after the election. Most of these marginal states were still counting/recounting days after that.
I see what you are getting at but the guy only signed the affidavit yesterday. Donald Trump was not in much of a position to do favours by then. D'Elia should have signed one weeks earlier to give Trump a chance to return a favour.
Also the affidavit is Italian so not really applicable for an American favour. He admits to hacking into and modifying data in an Italian system and transmitting the data across to a German system before the adjusted data goes back into the American system. Even if pardoned in the USA, he's still committed fraudulent behaviour in Italy and Germany for which he can be prosecuted.
So if the affidavit is Italian why is it written in English?
That makes no sense. The votes were verified in those marginal states. In Georgia they were counted 3 times, twice by hand. The numbers couldn’t have been “hacked” via computer. The affidavit states he did the hack on the 4th November, the day after the election. Most of these marginal states were still counting/recounting days after that.
I would quite like to see what swing states he switched votes for and at what time because on the 4th, as a bit of a saddo statman, I was keeping a record of the swing states tallies every hour or so and I can't see any sign of votes being switched.
Mike Siegel, democratic nominee for Texas, has written a piece for ScheerPost stating that the democrats need to fight both white supremacism and poverty, and they did the latter in Georgia and took that state by offering $2000 /person covid payments as opposed to the $600 offered by the republicans.
so voters, understandably, took a short term fix but nothing in bidens or the democrats recent history suggests to me they'll come up with anything more lasting, just as that chancer trump didn't.
There are some great people in the democratic party, but at it's head they serve their corporate sponsors.
Given historic voter suppression tactics in the south especially, the DP embarked upon a long term campaign to increase voter registration among poor/black voters.
I know this was the policy in Georgia and if they have replicated it in other affected areas, the increased voter-turnout is the democracy equivalent of, the chickens coming home to roost.
As for the affidavit currently at the centre of this thread, it’s not actually from Auturo D’Elia himself. It’s ‘signed’ by someone named Prof. D’Urso, a supposed law professor who does not appear to be D’Elia’s lawyer representing him in the current investigation into D’Elia’s alleged naughtiness at Leonardo SpA.
No idea about Italian affidavits, but an English one would require the document to be signed in the presence of a witness, who in turn signs that they heard the person swear an oath as to the truth of the contents of the affidavit and that it was signed in their presence.
However, I fully expect the Football League to conduct a thorough investigation and find Paladini’s paws all over this and at the very least, a 12 point deduction and transfer embargo looms large on the horizon!
Put me down as ‘currently a bit sceptical’.
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Trump’s words are more direct and in line with what he should be saying. Maybe someone has had a word with him and he doesn’t fancy being the fuse on the ticking time bomb that leads to a civil war.
Trump’s words are more direct and in line with what he should be saying. Maybe someone has had a word with him and he doesn’t fancy being the fuse on the ticking time bomb that leads to a civil war.
Given his behaviour, rhetoric and even the awful way he delivers his speeches, it seems to me that he’s been well and truly got at!
'Always In Motion' by John Honney available on amazon.co.uk
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