| Any Window Cleaners out there? 19:19 - Sep 12 with 52504 views | milly |
Just bought two very large rounds in Royton and Oldham.Need 4 persons on each round.Everything supplied.Non stop work Mon-Fri.£10 Per hour.Lots of shops and workplaces as well as houses.
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 10:09 - Sep 15 with 2337 views | TVOS1907 |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 08:02 - Sep 15 by milly |
Nothing to do with you what rounds i bought and where.Maybe if people on here had been civil to me i may have told you.What right do you have to my info? |
Yet you seem to think you have a right to know and comment on the financial and employment status of people on here...
Did you miss my earlier questions? They weren't difficult. |  |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 10:27 - Sep 15 with 2311 views | BrighouseDale |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 07:24 - Sep 15 by milly |
There you go again twisting facts.Not once i stated i was in Dubai for one day.Last time i was there was in July.If you must post on the thread at least get facts correct.Dubai for a day? how silly. |
My sincerest apologies, I must have got the wrong end of the stick when you said "work hard and you could be holidaying in Dubai like me".
Despite not working hard myself, and being considerably poorer than YOW, I've actually managed to spend a couple of weeks in Dubai. Glad I've seen it but I wouldn't bother going again. The beauty if European holiday destinations is that you can drive around and see many historic towns and locations. Drive out of Dubai for a few miles and all you see is sand. Not for me thank you. |  |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 11:02 - Sep 15 with 2277 views | DaleiLama |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:11 - Sep 14 by milly |
Better to be safe than sorry...
Off home now.Have a great night all.
Im off out later with the better half... |
Heads-up - don't offer her out tonight - she isn't available
Surely she at least saw you coming? (the rest of us did)
Seems like you are well matched credibility-wise though. |  |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 12:29 - Sep 15 with 2190 views | rochedale |
So what trade are you Milly? |  |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 12:37 - Sep 15 with 2174 views | dingdangblue |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 12:29 - Sep 15 by rochedale |
So what trade are you Milly? |
I wouldn't believe a word he comes out with. He's a complete wind up merchant. |  |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 13:29 - Sep 15 with 2126 views | Toffeemanc |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 12:29 - Sep 15 by rochedale |
So what trade are you Milly? |
I'm pretty sure he is a qualified Builder/BULLSHITTER * delete as appropriate. |  |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 13:59 - Sep 15 with 2087 views | milly |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 12:37 - Sep 15 by dingdangblue |
I wouldn't believe a word he comes out with. He's a complete wind up merchant. |
Believe what you want.I wont lose sleep about what people think on a forum.When are you going on your beano to ibiza?.Better get some jsa saved for your spending money. | | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 14:06 - Sep 15 with 2077 views | dingdangblue |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 13:59 - Sep 15 by milly |
Believe what you want.I wont lose sleep about what people think on a forum.When are you going on your beano to ibiza?.Better get some jsa saved for your spending money. |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:11 - Sep 15 with 2003 views | widgibob |
This has been a lovely big read. Very informative.
Just a few Questions Mr Milly if you don't mind?
What are your opinions on the working at heights regulation 2005?
I'm sure as a successful builder you know the law like the back of your hand but for all the other work shy numpties on here here it is.
"The law
The purpose of The Work at Height Regulations 2005 link to external website is to prevent death and injury caused by a fall from height. If you are an employer or you control work at height (for example facilities managers or building owners who may contract others to work at height) the Regulations apply to you.
Employers and those in control of any work at height activity must make sure work is properly planned, supervised and carried out by competent people. This includes using the right type of equipment for working at height. Low-risk, relatively straightforward tasks will require less effort when it comes to planning.
Employers and those in control must first assess the risks.
Employees have general legal duties to take reasonable care of themselves and others who may be affected by their actions, and to co-operate with their employer to enable their health and safety duties and requirements to be complied with.
Basically even though your taking people on as a self employed basis, you still have a responsibility for their safety while working at hight."
Would it not concern you that you're letting possible untrained people to climb ladders? Do they know the right degree of angle the ladder should be will they be aware of the two in a box rule?
Would you be annoyed if you had to cut short one of your many holidays to Dubai when the HSE are sniffing around because you let some unskilled lad fall off a treble ladder because he was rushing to full fill your quota?
As some one who has worked up ladders for over twenty years (I'm a painter who also has his plasma and ipaf cards) working up an ladder for long periods of time in a safe manner is something that takes a lot of experience and is not something to be taken lightly.
Also you said £10 an hour is a reasonable rates for unskilled workers but if your taking them on a self-employed basis then after they've sorted out their own tax,NI,public liability etc they'll be down to about £7 an hour. Most cards in Labourers I know are on about £7.60 with the benefits like holiday pay etc.
Do you not want to take people on a full time employment basis because it would annoy you you're having to pay them holiday pay and they where only going to torremolinos?
Also does your other half go to Dubai on her own sometimes?
Thanks for your time
Lots of love
Widgibob. [Post edited 15 Sep 2016 15:13]
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:18 - Sep 15 with 1989 views | JumeirahDale |
Still waiting to hear which travel agent you use Milly. Or is it Captain...
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:32 - Sep 15 with 1952 views | widgibob |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:27 - Sep 15 by DaleiLama |
"will they be aware of the two in a box rule?"
Hope Hilly doesn't read this and think it might be the answer to our woeful set piece record.  |
If he makes everybody in defence carry a ladder on their shoulder we might do a bit better it couldn't get worse. | |
| Miguel, Miguel de Souza, his name's peculiar,Miguel de Souza...........HIYA MATE HIYA MATE HIYA MATE. |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:32 - Sep 15 with 1952 views | Rosun |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:18 - Sep 15 by JumeirahDale |
Still waiting to hear which travel agent you use Milly. Or is it Captain...
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I'm sure he said Mercury Holidays a few pages back.
Their website looks a bit low rent..... http://www.mercuryholidays.co.uk/ |  | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:40 - Sep 15 with 1940 views | milly |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:11 - Sep 15 by widgibob |
This has been a lovely big read. Very informative.
Just a few Questions Mr Milly if you don't mind?
What are your opinions on the working at heights regulation 2005?
I'm sure as a successful builder you know the law like the back of your hand but for all the other work shy numpties on here here it is.
"The law
The purpose of The Work at Height Regulations 2005 link to external website is to prevent death and injury caused by a fall from height. If you are an employer or you control work at height (for example facilities managers or building owners who may contract others to work at height) the Regulations apply to you.
Employers and those in control of any work at height activity must make sure work is properly planned, supervised and carried out by competent people. This includes using the right type of equipment for working at height. Low-risk, relatively straightforward tasks will require less effort when it comes to planning.
Employers and those in control must first assess the risks.
Employees have general legal duties to take reasonable care of themselves and others who may be affected by their actions, and to co-operate with their employer to enable their health and safety duties and requirements to be complied with.
Basically even though your taking people on as a self employed basis, you still have a responsibility for their safety while working at hight."
Would it not concern you that you're letting possible untrained people to climb ladders? Do they know the right degree of angle the ladder should be will they be aware of the two in a box rule?
Would you be annoyed if you had to cut short one of your many holidays to Dubai when the HSE are sniffing around because you let some unskilled lad fall off a treble ladder because he was rushing to full fill your quota?
As some one who has worked up ladders for over twenty years (I'm a painter who also has his plasma and ipaf cards) working up an ladder for long periods of time in a safe manner is something that takes a lot of experience and is not something to be taken lightly.
Also you said £10 an hour is a reasonable rates for unskilled workers but if your taking them on a self-employed basis then after they've sorted out their own tax,NI,public liability etc they'll be down to about £7 an hour. Most cards in Labourers I know are on about £7.60 with the benefits like holiday pay etc.
Do you not want to take people on a full time employment basis because it would annoy you you're having to pay them holiday pay and they where only going to torremolinos?
Also does your other half go to Dubai on her own sometimes?
Thanks for your time
Lots of love
Widgibob. [Post edited 15 Sep 2016 15:13]
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Good Questions...Why do you think i said i needed 4 persons for each round.Also stated working in pairs with one doing the upstairs and one the lower.My 2 nephews who do work at height for the building company,have taken on the role for the ladder work.Obviously,i need 2 more.No person who has never worked at heights will be doing the upper windows.
As for a responsible person always being available,my nephews fall into that catagory as they will be in charge of 1 round each as they have already decided it is for them.
You do realise that a window cleaning round is exempt from compulsory holiday pay,dont you? | | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:49 - Sep 15 with 1915 views | widgibob |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:40 - Sep 15 by milly |
Good Questions...Why do you think i said i needed 4 persons for each round.Also stated working in pairs with one doing the upstairs and one the lower.My 2 nephews who do work at height for the building company,have taken on the role for the ladder work.Obviously,i need 2 more.No person who has never worked at heights will be doing the upper windows.
As for a responsible person always being available,my nephews fall into that catagory as they will be in charge of 1 round each as they have already decided it is for them.
You do realise that a window cleaning round is exempt from compulsory holiday pay,dont you? |
I didn't realise that if you were fully employed by a company that statutory holiday pay doesn't come into effect if you happen to clean windows.
How does this work?
I hope it isn't the same for painting windows | |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:58 - Sep 15 with 1901 views | desmond |
Can you give me a call please pal. 07507132753 ask for dale | | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:04 - Sep 15 with 1888 views | dingdangblue |
Window cleaners are a menace!
#130 16th Jul 10, 3:54 PM
NEVER EVER EVER pay windows cleaners who clean windows without permission! Especially if you've already told them before. If everyone stood up to these criminals, they wouldn't be able to carry on like they do. This is no dilemma whatsover and a pet hate of mine! They are an absolute menace and scurge on society. Possibly the most outrageous profession that there is. And that is no understatement. It is a carefully considered opinion.
I mean think about how ludicrous and crazy the so called window cleaning industry is for a second. They provide a so called service WITHOUT PERMISSION, don't even knock to say they're there (often violating peoples privacy in the process), and on top of commiting those crimes, then expect to be PAID!
It is absolutely unbelievable how people just accept this and no one has clamped down on them. If people went round spying in someone naked in their own house that they'd never met or spoken to, then went to a shop and bought them something they didn't want, brought it round to their house and expected them to pay and got annoyed and made threats if they didn't, there would be absolute uproar. But somehow people think this is acceptable when it comes to window cleaners. Society needs it's head examining.
Best advice is, keep a note inside your windows saying something like "no windows cleaners without prior permission" or "window cleaners must knock 1st for permission. If no answer, do not clean windows or you will not be paid" (or words to that effect). It's outrageous you should have to just because of a small group of cowboys, but the best option until the authorities get their act together and sort them out. | |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:20 - Sep 15 with 1864 views | milly |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 15:49 - Sep 15 by widgibob |
I didn't realise that if you were fully employed by a company that statutory holiday pay doesn't come into effect if you happen to clean windows.
How does this work?
I hope it isn't the same for painting windows |
Thats because i bought the rounds and both are in my name as self employed.I can legally sub contract those rounds which is what i am basically doing by hiring the help.Sub contractors do not get hol pay.I also state 6 hours per day (5 on a Friday),which makes it part time work for the lads,therefore they can still get ni but at a lower rate.All the tax and insurance is done legally by a third party,so,although classed as sub,these lads dont need to worry sorting out their tax and insurance etc. Already started a guys nephew on here,he messaged me,but it will be up to him whether he tells you or not.im not naming names.He is a regular poster though. | | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:28 - Sep 15 with 1846 views | labourer |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:20 - Sep 15 by milly |
Thats because i bought the rounds and both are in my name as self employed.I can legally sub contract those rounds which is what i am basically doing by hiring the help.Sub contractors do not get hol pay.I also state 6 hours per day (5 on a Friday),which makes it part time work for the lads,therefore they can still get ni but at a lower rate.All the tax and insurance is done legally by a third party,so,although classed as sub,these lads dont need to worry sorting out their tax and insurance etc. Already started a guys nephew on here,he messaged me,but it will be up to him whether he tells you or not.im not naming names.He is a regular poster though. |
Just take a screenshot of the pm then and cover up his personal details.
Bet you don't though. | | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:29 - Sep 15 with 1844 views | TVOS1907 |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:20 - Sep 15 by milly |
Thats because i bought the rounds and both are in my name as self employed.I can legally sub contract those rounds which is what i am basically doing by hiring the help.Sub contractors do not get hol pay.I also state 6 hours per day (5 on a Friday),which makes it part time work for the lads,therefore they can still get ni but at a lower rate.All the tax and insurance is done legally by a third party,so,although classed as sub,these lads dont need to worry sorting out their tax and insurance etc. Already started a guys nephew on here,he messaged me,but it will be up to him whether he tells you or not.im not naming names.He is a regular poster though. |
Seeing as you're here again, have you any answers yet to my really simple questions? | |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:30 - Sep 15 with 1843 views | rochedale |
What trade are you Milly? | |
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| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:38 - Sep 15 with 1829 views | boffley |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:20 - Sep 15 by milly |
Thats because i bought the rounds and both are in my name as self employed.I can legally sub contract those rounds which is what i am basically doing by hiring the help.Sub contractors do not get hol pay.I also state 6 hours per day (5 on a Friday),which makes it part time work for the lads,therefore they can still get ni but at a lower rate.All the tax and insurance is done legally by a third party,so,although classed as sub,these lads dont need to worry sorting out their tax and insurance etc. Already started a guys nephew on here,he messaged me,but it will be up to him whether he tells you or not.im not naming names.He is a regular poster though. |
Milly of course you can sub contract work as long as the workers are themselves self employed. From some of your previous statements it would seem that such is not the case. I've already explained to you once that there are a variety of tests used to determine the employment status of an individual.
For example if you provide the buckets ladders etc you have already failed test 1 with regards to self employment.
You could get into a real mess as far as the revenue are concerned. | | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:51 - Sep 15 with 1798 views | milly |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:38 - Sep 15 by boffley |
Milly of course you can sub contract work as long as the workers are themselves self employed. From some of your previous statements it would seem that such is not the case. I've already explained to you once that there are a variety of tests used to determine the employment status of an individual.
For example if you provide the buckets ladders etc you have already failed test 1 with regards to self employment.
You could get into a real mess as far as the revenue are concerned. |
what a load of crap you talk.report me and see where it gets you.what a knob.No wonder you cant find work if you act as thick as this.show me where it states you cant provide materials etc to subbies?What a 15 carat knob. | | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:56 - Sep 15 with 1783 views | labourer |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:51 - Sep 15 by milly |
what a load of crap you talk.report me and see where it gets you.what a knob.No wonder you cant find work if you act as thick as this.show me where it states you cant provide materials etc to subbies?What a 15 carat knob. |
As far as I can see boffley has been polite to you throughout this thread so why the need for such vile abuse? All these simple questions getting to you? | | | |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 17:00 - Sep 15 with 1769 views | milly |
| Any Window Cleaners out there? on 16:56 - Sep 15 by labourer |
As far as I can see boffley has been polite to you throughout this thread so why the need for such vile abuse? All these simple questions getting to you? |
Simple being the operative word....Cant supply materials to subbies,lol...end of.. | | | |
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