| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. 20:14 - Feb 19 with 17626 views | exiledclaseboy |
F*ck me get on with it. Everyone knows you're going to come out with something fairly meaningless that you'll hail as a triumph before your Cabinet members start scratching each other's eyes out from now until all eternity. [Post edited 19 Feb 2016 20:22]
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:09 - Feb 19 with 1776 views | Swanzay |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:05 - Feb 19 by raynor94 |
Well done Dave, it's a deal  |
Yes what a deal..... |  | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:09 - Feb 19 with 1776 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:05 - Feb 19 by raynor94 |
Well done Dave, it's a deal |
Huzzah! | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:12 - Feb 19 with 1766 views | Swanzay |
Cant wait for his SPIN on his major success tomorrow, what a joke! | | | |
| Cameron's EU on 22:15 - Feb 19 with 1753 views | longlostjack |
| Cameron's EU on 21:56 - Feb 19 by dgt73 |
Is this the ridiculous attempts the pro eu camp will go too ? |
Don't panic Capt. Mainwaring we'll stuff it up em! Used to love Dad's Army ! Hallo Hallo was good too and has cult status in Holland. Will the Den Haag fans need a visa to enter the country if we leave? |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:15 - Feb 19 with 1752 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:12 - Feb 19 by Swanzay |
Cant wait for his SPIN on his major success tomorrow, what a joke! |
You didn't have to be "mystic Meg " or "Nostradamus" to have predicted what was going to happen.
Only the complete simpletons will fall for what has happened- unfortunately there are a lot of simpletons out there. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 22:17 - Feb 19 with 1738 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU on 22:15 - Feb 19 by longlostjack |
Don't panic Capt. Mainwaring we'll stuff it up em! Used to love Dad's Army ! Hallo Hallo was good too and has cult status in Holland. Will the Den Haag fans need a visa to enter the country if we leave? |
dont give up the day job ffs pmsl | |
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| Cameron's EU on 22:22 - Feb 19 with 1730 views | longlostjack |
| Cameron's EU on 22:17 - Feb 19 by dgt73 |
dont give up the day job ffs pmsl |
What job ? Pesky Poles have done me out of one. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:54 - Feb 19 with 1682 views | Highjack |
Can someone post the gist of this deal in laymans terms please as I am having a few beers and can't be arsed to google it? K thanks bye x |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 07:54 - Feb 20 with 1628 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:15 - Feb 19 by dgt73 |
You didn't have to be "mystic Meg " or "Nostradamus" to have predicted what was going to happen.
Only the complete simpletons will fall for what has happened- unfortunately there are a lot of simpletons out there. |
That's more than half the population of the Uk ,have you seen them out there lately ? [Post edited 20 Feb 2016 7:56]
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 08:03 - Feb 20 with 1625 views | Kilkennyjack |
The little Englanders will want out, the rest of us will want to stay in. I would much rather welcome great European players rather than have another European war. The vote is a waste of money that you can thank the ukip morons for. Completely unnecessary. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 08:27 - Feb 20 with 1615 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU on 07:54 - Feb 20 by oh_tommy_tommy |
That's more than half the population of the Uk ,have you seen them out there lately ? [Post edited 20 Feb 2016 7:56]
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Do you honestly believe half the population have fallen for Cameron's smoke & mirrors charade. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 08:29 - Feb 20 with 1614 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 08:03 - Feb 20 by Kilkennyjack |
The little Englanders will want out, the rest of us will want to stay in. I would much rather welcome great European players rather than have another European war. The vote is a waste of money that you can thank the ukip morons for. Completely unnecessary. |
Yet no doubt you support Irish and Scottish independence. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 09:15 - Feb 20 with 1583 views | Jackfath |
Hello.
I am not a political animal like so mnay seem to be on here. Therefore I do not know the ins and outs (excuse the pun) of whether being in or out of Europe will be a good thing for me on a local, National (welsh) and British level.
Should we therefore have a thread on here where people can put their knowledgable viewpoints so people like me can make a decent sensible level headed decision come the vote? |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 09:27 - Feb 20 with 1572 views | sherpajacob |
It's the Jim hacker Euro sausage scandal all over again. |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 09:56 - Feb 20 with 1546 views | Morfa_Same |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 08:03 - Feb 20 by Kilkennyjack |
The little Englanders will want out, the rest of us will want to stay in. I would much rather welcome great European players rather than have another European war. The vote is a waste of money that you can thank the ukip morons for. Completely unnecessary. |
Best post I've read for ages.
Totally agree. |  | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 10:14 - Feb 20 with 1295 views | Nookiejack |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 22:54 - Feb 19 by Highjack |
Can someone post the gist of this deal in laymans terms please as I am having a few beers and can't be arsed to google it? K thanks bye x |
Child Benefit (where mothers and fathers work here but where the children remain in their existing country) for NEW EU migrants will be indexed linked to cost of living of respective countries.
So good luck to civil service department who has to keep recalibration get this each year for the other 27 countries.
For existing claimants - it will only be recalibrated in 2020.
If you believe in EU and single market you essentially sign up to same workers Ts & Cs including benefits across EU. So can understand how other EU members pushed Cameron back from his initial position on this - to this compromise.
Do you think we should be moving to a United States of Europe with political integration or not? It does have a lot of benefits - but you do give up your own sovereignty. |  | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 12:08 - Feb 20 with 1260 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 09:15 - Feb 20 by Jackfath |
Hello.
I am not a political animal like so mnay seem to be on here. Therefore I do not know the ins and outs (excuse the pun) of whether being in or out of Europe will be a good thing for me on a local, National (welsh) and British level.
Should we therefore have a thread on here where people can put their knowledgable viewpoints so people like me can make a decent sensible level headed decision come the vote? |
Are you sure about this Fath?
Making a decent, sensible, level headed decision based on a Planet Swans thread? |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 13:35 - Feb 20 with 1211 views | Highjack |
There's a lot more to the EU than migration and benefits but I think this is the level the debate will be held at. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 13:37 - Feb 20 with 1211 views | sherpajacob |
23rd June is the vote.
Middle of the European championship s, will this be a,factor?
It also comes before the Somme 1st July centenary, | |
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| Cameron's EU on 14:05 - Feb 20 with 1189 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 09:15 - Feb 20 by Jackfath |
Hello.
I am not a political animal like so mnay seem to be on here. Therefore I do not know the ins and outs (excuse the pun) of whether being in or out of Europe will be a good thing for me on a local, National (welsh) and British level.
Should we therefore have a thread on here where people can put their knowledgable viewpoints so people like me can make a decent sensible level headed decision come the vote? |
My great fear is that the entire discussion for the next few months will be so dumbed down that none of us will know what is actually best. It'll end up in an immigration slanging match and unless the media grow up a bit over it, we'll all be none the wiser.
I find it impossible to know what the best thing to do is since no one as yet at least, has given us the facts for both sides. It's all just an emotional thing at the moment, which can't be the best way to decide. [Post edited 20 Feb 2016 14:07]
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:18 - Feb 20 with 1150 views | exiledclaseboy |
Chances are that a vote to leave the EU will precipitate a second independence referendum is Scotland which is far more likely to lead to a "yes" vote than the last one if English votes have led to an EU exit for the UK. So June's vote is not only deciding the UK's future in Europe, in effect its deciding the existential future of the U.K. itself. Exciting stuff. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:54 - Feb 20 with 1125 views | monmouth |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:18 - Feb 20 by exiledclaseboy |
Chances are that a vote to leave the EU will precipitate a second independence referendum is Scotland which is far more likely to lead to a "yes" vote than the last one if English votes have led to an EU exit for the UK. So June's vote is not only deciding the UK's future in Europe, in effect its deciding the existential future of the U.K. itself. Exciting stuff. |
I think a no would lead to a genuine panicked renegotiation and a second UK referendum whereas a yes would mean a complacent marginalisation.
I was yes (based on nothing but hope really, and hatred of the xenophobic swivel eyed loons that want out for all the wrong reasons), but I'm increasingly thinking that a big rammy is needed, as the European project has proved itself pretty much undemocratic and an immovable sinecure for fat cats and politicians. Big-Corp-Multi-National Super Rich is everybody's government now anyway and will be increasingly so.
So I think I'm now verging on 'say no and see what happens', bearing in mind that I know next to nothing about what would really happen either way and neither do 99% of other people whatever they may claim....and the less they know the louder they will shout. |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:57 - Feb 20 with 1121 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:18 - Feb 20 by exiledclaseboy |
Chances are that a vote to leave the EU will precipitate a second independence referendum is Scotland which is far more likely to lead to a "yes" vote than the last one if English votes have led to an EU exit for the UK. So June's vote is not only deciding the UK's future in Europe, in effect its deciding the existential future of the U.K. itself. Exciting stuff. |
That's a matter of time anyway I think. It's set up like that, after all they can vote no ten times and they'll just keep having votes until they vote yes.
Good luck to them - with oil prices having collapsed and the UK government then moving public sector jobs from Scotland (as they will have to do) and the big financial institutions relocating to the much bigger UK market, they'll be begging to come back within 10 years.
Also the EU deal won't apply, so they'll have to join the Euro, and be part of the 'project'. There'll be no one left in Scotland - perhaps we should make use of that wall :-) | | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:59 - Feb 20 with 1119 views | monmouth |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:57 - Feb 20 by londonlisa2001 |
That's a matter of time anyway I think. It's set up like that, after all they can vote no ten times and they'll just keep having votes until they vote yes.
Good luck to them - with oil prices having collapsed and the UK government then moving public sector jobs from Scotland (as they will have to do) and the big financial institutions relocating to the much bigger UK market, they'll be begging to come back within 10 years.
Also the EU deal won't apply, so they'll have to join the Euro, and be part of the 'project'. There'll be no one left in Scotland - perhaps we should make use of that wall :-) |
Such a shame they didn't vote 'yes' last time. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:00 - Feb 20 with 1116 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:54 - Feb 20 by monmouth |
I think a no would lead to a genuine panicked renegotiation and a second UK referendum whereas a yes would mean a complacent marginalisation.
I was yes (based on nothing but hope really, and hatred of the xenophobic swivel eyed loons that want out for all the wrong reasons), but I'm increasingly thinking that a big rammy is needed, as the European project has proved itself pretty much undemocratic and an immovable sinecure for fat cats and politicians. Big-Corp-Multi-National Super Rich is everybody's government now anyway and will be increasingly so.
So I think I'm now verging on 'say no and see what happens', bearing in mind that I know next to nothing about what would really happen either way and neither do 99% of other people whatever they may claim....and the less they know the louder they will shout. |
I'm a bit like you. Always a yes vote until now really. I now think it may be quite a good laugh to vote no. In all seriousness, I've genuinely been put off by Cameron's moronic 'renegotiation' but then I can't stand the little Englanders. | | | |
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