| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low-block ball ache – Report on 22:03 - Mar 9 with 2904 views | Noelmc |
Thanks Clive. Tough read.
Perhaps a tactic for opposition teams who go a goal up against up should be to get a man deliberately sent off, as we seem to have lost the ability to score against 10 men. |  | |  |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 22:24 - Mar 9 with 2828 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Noticed this a few weeks back but we are very predictable, and dare I saw boring to watch.
The lack of variation in our play I can only put down to one thing, the lack of quality at the managers disposal. Says something that the best way to get up the pitch is to either hit an aimless long ball or try winning throw on after throw on, inching our way up the pitch.
Its all gone a bit flat. |  | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 22:50 - Mar 9 with 2759 views | daveB |
I found Saito really frustarting yesterday, kept trying that same trick to take it inside and run along the line and they just blocked him every time, summed up the whole performance in just doing the same thing over and over again. Someone have a bloody shot
I thought we deserved a draw from the game overall, they created nothing but can't really complain at losing when you have so few chances in a game
Also with you on the goal kicks, Cook is doing my head in with those, every single one ends with us giving the ball away and him blaming either Smyth or Dunne. Morrison needs to replace him on Tuesday |  | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 05:20 - Mar 10 with 2359 views | stainrods_elbow |
'Would QPR have scored if we were still there now and West Brom weren’t? ' made me smile grimly through the wincing.
Although the levels are clearly not remotely comparable, I thought what we did at WBA was very similar to Arsenal's performance at Man U yesterday (who also have injuries up top) and how the pundits saw it. Lots of pretty, intricate football around the penalty box; no end product/cutting edge. It's partly where we at as a club; it's partly because Cifuentes talks about 'learning' from it, but, as Clive's report makes clear with reference to our rap sheet here, doesn't seem able to. The ratios we can argue. |  |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 07:37 - Mar 10 with 2129 views | mart_Goblin |
Great read Clive. I think you do yourself a disservice. Playing with width and tempo and dragging your opponent around to create space is pretty basic but important stuff that you are spot on with, and we just can’t do it .
I thought at home that maybe the pitch is a bit small to do that but that’s just not true.
We arent able to do it and I mentioned before on here about our pre match warm nonsense.
Teams warming up in the other half must pizz themselves .
And in the voice and partial words of Neil from The Young Ones “sssh Rick , don’t talk about Kenneth Paal like that , you’ll get us all into terrible trouble “ |  | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 07:45 - Mar 10 with 2095 views | Dorse |
Thanks for that, Norf. It was a difficult game to watch: I doubt it would be any easier to write up!
I thought at the time that we were struggling to Huff, let alone Puff, and certainly weren't going to be blowing anyone's house down playing like that.
Time-wasting? Based on the way we played, I'd say we wasted more time than them. Not a great game but there's always jam tomorrow. |  |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 08:50 - Mar 10 with 1876 views | Jimboqpr |
Thanks Clive, another fruitless trip to West Brom. I didn't watch the game, but I often think when we have no senior strikers available and a load of little 'tens' and wingers playing, why don't we try throwing Jimmy in at CF to win headers and hold it up to bring others into play? Especially against 10 men. His finish against Portsmouth also shows he does have a bit more composure in front of goal than your average RB too! | | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 08:53 - Mar 10 with 1860 views | Northernr |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 08:50 - Mar 10 by Jimboqpr |
Thanks Clive, another fruitless trip to West Brom. I didn't watch the game, but I often think when we have no senior strikers available and a load of little 'tens' and wingers playing, why don't we try throwing Jimmy in at CF to win headers and hold it up to bring others into play? Especially against 10 men. His finish against Portsmouth also shows he does have a bit more composure in front of goal than your average RB too! |
We did for the stoppage time, but like you I'd probably have gone for that a bit sooner too. They'd abandoned all intention of even crossing the halfway lune so he may as well go and stand up top. |  | | |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 09:34 - Mar 10 with 1678 views | YorkRanger |
Notwithstanding the depressing result, some great lines in there that had me choking on my cornflakes this morning |  | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 09:49 - Mar 10 with 1620 views | OldPedro |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 22:50 - Mar 9 by daveB |
I found Saito really frustarting yesterday, kept trying that same trick to take it inside and run along the line and they just blocked him every time, summed up the whole performance in just doing the same thing over and over again. Someone have a bloody shot
I thought we deserved a draw from the game overall, they created nothing but can't really complain at losing when you have so few chances in a game
Also with you on the goal kicks, Cook is doing my head in with those, every single one ends with us giving the ball away and him blaming either Smyth or Dunne. Morrison needs to replace him on Tuesday |
I thought Saito did well initially but towards the end, maybe as he tired, West Brom just blocked him off. Having said that, he must have been our most fouled player, Furlomg had a couple of goes at him before his red card and Bartley got booked for a challenge on Saito. I also thought at the game that Holgate's card was for a foul of Saito but in the report Clive says his booking was for kicking the ball away.
Agree on Cook - took too much time on the ball and then blamed others when he got charged down. |  |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:02 - Mar 10 with 1576 views | Konk |
Time-wasting is just so ridiculous now. Burnley were 1-0 up at Bristol City this season and Trafford went down twice with cramp, spent ages on the deck in the six yard box, whilst the physio slowly made his way across the pitch. There were a couple of "head injuries" where there had been zero contact with the Burnley players head, and the coup de grâce, was the ref holding the game up so that Hannibal could spend so much time tying his laces up, that anyone else could have wandered into town, picked out some new boots, gone for a pint on the way back, and still have taken less time. I think there was something like 6 mins added on, which was an absolute joke.
And it has absolutely filtered down to kids football. My son's team were losing 2-1 the other week, and the opposition's tactic for the last 10 minutes was pretty much just to boot the ball as far out of play as possible even if they were stood on the touchline or byline, whilst their coaches stood on the touchline, shouting, "Yes, Ollie, brilliant!". And when their players weren't doing that, they were asking the ref how long was left every 20 seconds. Fu cking depressing. |  |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:14 - Mar 10 with 1523 views | TheChef |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 22:50 - Mar 9 by daveB |
I found Saito really frustarting yesterday, kept trying that same trick to take it inside and run along the line and they just blocked him every time, summed up the whole performance in just doing the same thing over and over again. Someone have a bloody shot
I thought we deserved a draw from the game overall, they created nothing but can't really complain at losing when you have so few chances in a game
Also with you on the goal kicks, Cook is doing my head in with those, every single one ends with us giving the ball away and him blaming either Smyth or Dunne. Morrison needs to replace him on Tuesday |
Well I looked at our starting line up against that West Brom team of giants, and was fairly sure we wouldn't be getting anything from the game.
And yes facking Guardiola has a lot to answer for, with our constant passing out the back, you are allowed to mix it up, if there's a bit of pace up front get the ball forward early, ask some questions of their defence. Look at Portsmouth, they're in your face, they get the ball high up the pitch and see how you like it; seems to have worked well for them.
Chair - I like him as a player, I'm glad he's ours, but he just doesn't seem to be developing or looking to improve himself. I don't know why that is (and I hate to say it but just like a couple of seasons back, we had a great run of results without him but when he came back into the team results tanked again - is that just an unfortunate coincidence?)
Boro away tomorrow night, even with a fit actual striker that is going to be a struggle; which brings us to game three of the week and Leeds at home, even if they are at the start of another hilarious choke I don't think we currently have the wherewithal to get anything from that game.
I'm just managing expectations here, I would love to be proved wrong! [Post edited 10 Mar 10:20]
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:17 - Mar 10 with 1499 views | Dorse |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:02 - Mar 10 by Konk |
Time-wasting is just so ridiculous now. Burnley were 1-0 up at Bristol City this season and Trafford went down twice with cramp, spent ages on the deck in the six yard box, whilst the physio slowly made his way across the pitch. There were a couple of "head injuries" where there had been zero contact with the Burnley players head, and the coup de grâce, was the ref holding the game up so that Hannibal could spend so much time tying his laces up, that anyone else could have wandered into town, picked out some new boots, gone for a pint on the way back, and still have taken less time. I think there was something like 6 mins added on, which was an absolute joke.
And it has absolutely filtered down to kids football. My son's team were losing 2-1 the other week, and the opposition's tactic for the last 10 minutes was pretty much just to boot the ball as far out of play as possible even if they were stood on the touchline or byline, whilst their coaches stood on the touchline, shouting, "Yes, Ollie, brilliant!". And when their players weren't doing that, they were asking the ref how long was left every 20 seconds. Fu cking depressing. |
Always said that Ollie kid was a wrong 'un. | |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:49 - Mar 10 with 1349 views | francisbowles |
I haven't seen anyone else say it, so, from memory, my take on the Furlong red card.
Pal smashed into Furlong and another WBA player. Referee played on. Shortly after Pal on the deck and Furlong, obviously steaming, belts the ball, as hard as he can, at Pal but misses.
Next Furlong uses a bit of arm and pointed elbow in a challenge with Saito who, being much smaller, has his face at elbow height.
It was just on the edge of the screen. The linesman seemed to report what he saw to the ref and he produced red.
Furlong seemed to have lost his temper just before and that, most likely, wasn't missed by the officials. It probably all contributed to the outcome.
Anyway, great read. You make a miserable performance effort into a hilarious, whilst realistic, appraisal of our shortcomings. | | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:52 - Mar 10 with 1337 views | Northernr |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:49 - Mar 10 by francisbowles |
I haven't seen anyone else say it, so, from memory, my take on the Furlong red card.
Pal smashed into Furlong and another WBA player. Referee played on. Shortly after Pal on the deck and Furlong, obviously steaming, belts the ball, as hard as he can, at Pal but misses.
Next Furlong uses a bit of arm and pointed elbow in a challenge with Saito who, being much smaller, has his face at elbow height.
It was just on the edge of the screen. The linesman seemed to report what he saw to the ref and he produced red.
Furlong seemed to have lost his temper just before and that, most likely, wasn't missed by the officials. It probably all contributed to the outcome.
Anyway, great read. You make a miserable performance effort into a hilarious, whilst realistic, appraisal of our shortcomings. |
I think you might have a point here thinking about it, touch of red mist perhaps. | | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 12:00 - Mar 10 with 1109 views | KernowRanger |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:49 - Mar 10 by francisbowles |
I haven't seen anyone else say it, so, from memory, my take on the Furlong red card.
Pal smashed into Furlong and another WBA player. Referee played on. Shortly after Pal on the deck and Furlong, obviously steaming, belts the ball, as hard as he can, at Pal but misses.
Next Furlong uses a bit of arm and pointed elbow in a challenge with Saito who, being much smaller, has his face at elbow height.
It was just on the edge of the screen. The linesman seemed to report what he saw to the ref and he produced red.
Furlong seemed to have lost his temper just before and that, most likely, wasn't missed by the officials. It probably all contributed to the outcome.
Anyway, great read. You make a miserable performance effort into a hilarious, whilst realistic, appraisal of our shortcomings. |
Do ref's still watch teams previous few games prior to referreeing them? I believe guidance changed a couple of years ago so that was encouraged.
Feels like that might have come into play here - last couple of games Saito been on end of some thrown elbows & roughing up tactics, ref sees something happen here and makes a judgement both on this & what's come before. |  | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report (n/t) on 12:51 - Mar 10 with 947 views | stainrods_elbow |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 12:55 - Mar 10 with 923 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 10:14 - Mar 10 by TheChef |
Well I looked at our starting line up against that West Brom team of giants, and was fairly sure we wouldn't be getting anything from the game.
And yes facking Guardiola has a lot to answer for, with our constant passing out the back, you are allowed to mix it up, if there's a bit of pace up front get the ball forward early, ask some questions of their defence. Look at Portsmouth, they're in your face, they get the ball high up the pitch and see how you like it; seems to have worked well for them.
Chair - I like him as a player, I'm glad he's ours, but he just doesn't seem to be developing or looking to improve himself. I don't know why that is (and I hate to say it but just like a couple of seasons back, we had a great run of results without him but when he came back into the team results tanked again - is that just an unfortunate coincidence?)
Boro away tomorrow night, even with a fit actual striker that is going to be a struggle; which brings us to game three of the week and Leeds at home, even if they are at the start of another hilarious choke I don't think we currently have the wherewithal to get anything from that game.
I'm just managing expectations here, I would love to be proved wrong! [Post edited 10 Mar 10:20]
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Why use a thread about QPR's game at WBA to have a go at Guardiola, who (with whatever legal/illegal advantages and embarrassment of riches) has engineered some of the most sumptuous soccer in living memory. If you haven't enjoyed watching City (even if through gritted teeth) while he's been at the helm, you obviously don't like football.
Chair turns 28 in October - it's unlikely he's going to 'develop' further. It would be more plausible to say he's now at his peak, and may even be starting to decline, since quick-footed playmaker-cum-wingers like him tend not to be able play on and on into their mid-thirties. I think it's more likely than not he'll stay at Rangers now for the foreseeable, though the problem we have now with Yang, Dembele, Saito and Ilias all involved on Saturday is possibly too many of the same kind of player doing the same kind of thing.
Finally, and personally, since I'm a fan(atic) rather than a manager of expectations, I always want my team to go and storm the next game. It would be very us, and very on point with our manic-depressive season, to get a good draw at Boro and beat Leeds (again). Do I expect us to? Not necessarily, but why let my prejudices get in the way? [Post edited 10 Mar 12:56]
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 13:22 - Mar 10 with 833 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 12:55 - Mar 10 by stainrods_elbow |
Why use a thread about QPR's game at WBA to have a go at Guardiola, who (with whatever legal/illegal advantages and embarrassment of riches) has engineered some of the most sumptuous soccer in living memory. If you haven't enjoyed watching City (even if through gritted teeth) while he's been at the helm, you obviously don't like football.
Chair turns 28 in October - it's unlikely he's going to 'develop' further. It would be more plausible to say he's now at his peak, and may even be starting to decline, since quick-footed playmaker-cum-wingers like him tend not to be able play on and on into their mid-thirties. I think it's more likely than not he'll stay at Rangers now for the foreseeable, though the problem we have now with Yang, Dembele, Saito and Ilias all involved on Saturday is possibly too many of the same kind of player doing the same kind of thing.
Finally, and personally, since I'm a fan(atic) rather than a manager of expectations, I always want my team to go and storm the next game. It would be very us, and very on point with our manic-depressive season, to get a good draw at Boro and beat Leeds (again). Do I expect us to? Not necessarily, but why let my prejudices get in the way? [Post edited 10 Mar 12:56]
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 14:09 - Mar 10 with 697 views | Andybrat |
Great read Clive ( if not a bit depressing). I am genuinely a cup half full person and can see the progress we are making under this leadership despite a seemingly perpetual injury crisis. We re 14 th in the Championship which makes us the 34th best team in the country. If we hold this until the end of the season, though like a lot of others are starting to look again at results below us, with these players we should be happy. Suspect 16th or lower is where we are going to end up. Assuming Marti is still around it’s all about next season, sounds like I’m on the beach as well. Back to where I start great write up. | | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 14:11 - Mar 10 with 687 views | TheChef |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 12:55 - Mar 10 by stainrods_elbow |
Why use a thread about QPR's game at WBA to have a go at Guardiola, who (with whatever legal/illegal advantages and embarrassment of riches) has engineered some of the most sumptuous soccer in living memory. If you haven't enjoyed watching City (even if through gritted teeth) while he's been at the helm, you obviously don't like football.
Chair turns 28 in October - it's unlikely he's going to 'develop' further. It would be more plausible to say he's now at his peak, and may even be starting to decline, since quick-footed playmaker-cum-wingers like him tend not to be able play on and on into their mid-thirties. I think it's more likely than not he'll stay at Rangers now for the foreseeable, though the problem we have now with Yang, Dembele, Saito and Ilias all involved on Saturday is possibly too many of the same kind of player doing the same kind of thing.
Finally, and personally, since I'm a fan(atic) rather than a manager of expectations, I always want my team to go and storm the next game. It would be very us, and very on point with our manic-depressive season, to get a good draw at Boro and beat Leeds (again). Do I expect us to? Not necessarily, but why let my prejudices get in the way? [Post edited 10 Mar 12:56]
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Just because City have played great football under Guardiola doesn't mean every single English football team should play the same way (nearly all with less talented personnel), there are other ways to play football which can be equally effective.
And as a professional footballer it doesn't matter what age you are, given you train every day you should be looking to improve yourself with the help of your coaching staff (I mean I think that's what they're there for?). | |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 14:49 - Mar 10 with 578 views | Northernr |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 14:11 - Mar 10 by TheChef |
Just because City have played great football under Guardiola doesn't mean every single English football team should play the same way (nearly all with less talented personnel), there are other ways to play football which can be equally effective.
And as a professional footballer it doesn't matter what age you are, given you train every day you should be looking to improve yourself with the help of your coaching staff (I mean I think that's what they're there for?). |
And actually everybody trying to play the same way as Man City has been a completely flawed tactic for the last decade because at the end of the day they'll just spend another billion quid and be better at it than you with better players.
I personally find that sort of football every bit as tedious to watch as Pulis-ball. | | | |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 14:57 - Mar 10 with 547 views | TheChef |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 14:49 - Mar 10 by Northernr |
And actually everybody trying to play the same way as Man City has been a completely flawed tactic for the last decade because at the end of the day they'll just spend another billion quid and be better at it than you with better players.
I personally find that sort of football every bit as tedious to watch as Pulis-ball. |
In the Premier League yes (although they've been found wanting this season, not helped by the Rodri injury and recruitment not being as strong).
But there's no reason why EFL teams have to adopt the same system just because it's fashionable.
It's coming to something as time goes on that I'm actually admiring Portsmouth's approach! | |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 14:59 - Mar 10 with 534 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 13:22 - Mar 10 by NewYorkRanger |
imagine using a thread about West Brom vs Qpr to talk about Arsenal's performance at Old Trafford |
Who's rattled your cage today? I made a qualified parallel, which I explained. Guess you're another who prefers to play the man rather than the ball, eh? | |
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| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 15:00 - Mar 10 with 537 views | Northernr |
| Ten-man Baggies latest to trap QPR in low block ball-ache – Report on 14:57 - Mar 10 by TheChef |
In the Premier League yes (although they've been found wanting this season, not helped by the Rodri injury and recruitment not being as strong).
But there's no reason why EFL teams have to adopt the same system just because it's fashionable.
It's coming to something as time goes on that I'm actually admiring Portsmouth's approach! |
Totally with you mate. | | | |
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