| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle 10:07 - Oct 10 with 3279 views | blambo |
My heart sank when I heard that our new manager based his game on Possession.
Anyone with a brain knows that this equals boring and often unproductive football.
Take a look at the stats from Newcastle's 4-1 win over PSG last week...
The Toon had only 27% possession, got just ONE corner and only managed 1 more shot than PSG.
But they scored 4 goals and won the match easily.
RM's philosophy is fatally flawed and delivers minimal entertainment.
I am sad at the way things are, but it was toally predictable.
I simply won't waste my money on an afternoon of frustration and disappointment.
Why Oh Why didn't we take Eddie Howe when he was available? [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 10:44]
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| What stats tell us... Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch... on 10:24 - Oct 10 with 3240 views | arfurdent |
I think the issues lie more with the food outlets on the Kingsland concourse.
I asked for three pints of cider to which the reply was " what do you mean by cider?"
QED
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 11:29 - Oct 10 with 3179 views | Chesham_Saint |
My heart sank the moment I heard who our manager was, full stop. |  |
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 12:06 - Oct 10 with 3166 views | SaintNick |
They won with 27% possession because they can defend and up till recently we couldn't, but hopefully now we can a little bit more
Why didn't we take Eddie Howe ? Because we didn't have the multi billions to help him build a team |  |
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 13:59 - Oct 10 with 3116 views | PatfromPoole |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 12:06 - Oct 10 by SaintNick |
They won with 27% possession because they can defend and up till recently we couldn't, but hopefully now we can a little bit more
Why didn't we take Eddie Howe ? Because we didn't have the multi billions to help him build a team |
He was available for quite some time while Hassenhutl was losing the plot.
His stock was not high at the time, having left Boscombe.
Hardly in a position to demand a role with a big budget; he has not managed in that way in the past.
If you watched the Barcodes v PSG game, a sizeable chunk of the team were players he inherited.
He probably would have jumped at our role just over two years ago. |  |
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 19:13 - Oct 10 with 2994 views | Jellybaby |
With Saints record for destroying decent managers, it was a lucky escape for Eddie. | |
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 19:40 - Oct 10 with 2970 views | Chesham_Saint |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 19:13 - Oct 10 by Jellybaby |
With Saints record for destroying decent managers, it was a lucky escape for Eddie. |
Pochettino and Koeman seemed to do ok? | |
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 21:30 - Oct 10 with 2923 views | Southamptonfan |
Against Leeds, we adapted and stopped the slow, ponderous passing and stormed into a three goal lead. As we feared, we have then gone back to the heavy possession based football. It actually just needs to be tweaked as we did against Leeds. The slow, ponderous, sideways passing is ineffective. We have to be quicker, more aggressive and more ruthless with the ball. This means not needing to have 80% possession. It means getting the ball up the pitch quicker, with less passing. [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 21:34]
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 21:36 - Oct 10 with 2918 views | Berber |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 21:30 - Oct 10 by Southamptonfan |
Against Leeds, we adapted and stopped the slow, ponderous passing and stormed into a three goal lead. As we feared, we have then gone back to the heavy possession based football. It actually just needs to be tweaked as we did against Leeds. The slow, ponderous, sideways passing is ineffective. We have to be quicker, more aggressive and more ruthless with the ball. This means not needing to have 80% possession. It means getting the ball up the pitch quicker, with less passing. [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 21:34]
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All this is obvious, but apparently, not to the coaching staff, and presumably not to the relevant members on the board. Some people think breaking things for fun is a good thing. Maybe now is the time to bust this nonsense? |  |
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 21:46 - Oct 10 with 2913 views | Southamptonfan |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 21:36 - Oct 10 by Berber |
All this is obvious, but apparently, not to the coaching staff, and presumably not to the relevant members on the board. Some people think breaking things for fun is a good thing. Maybe now is the time to bust this nonsense? |
It is really difficult to understand how to coaching staff and yes as you say the board, can't see it. What are they seeing? I just don't understand it. If we pass backwards and sideways for the majority of the game, we aren't going to score. Are they prioritising subuteo style passing over winning games? They think we would rather watch the ball passes around the pitch than win games? I just don't understand it. | |
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 08:18 - Oct 11 with 2793 views | SonicBoom |
The will be clever people telling you that we are setting traps all over the park and drawing out the opponents. Sooner or later they make a mistake (which apparently means someone gets frustrated and dives into a tackle) and then we break their lines and move quickly onto their back 4.
I've also seen people say that we made loads of chances against Rotherham so you can't blame the manager or the system if the players dont finish chances - and to a certain extent that might be true.
You could also say that Martin has added 2 or 300 additional passes to our games for no added benefit. Even if it works pass after pass isn't great to watch when the majority of those passes or 8 yards into the midfielder, and he passes it straight back first time without even checking to see if he can turn and move forwards.
i suppose if we hit a vein of form and win some games then we will all feel better, but it's never goig to be a style I like watching. I also despair of fans who blindly repeat the mantra "trust the process". Why? We are allowed to question the process aren't we? |  | | |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 09:20 - Oct 11 with 2769 views | blambo |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 21:30 - Oct 10 by Southamptonfan |
Against Leeds, we adapted and stopped the slow, ponderous passing and stormed into a three goal lead. As we feared, we have then gone back to the heavy possession based football. It actually just needs to be tweaked as we did against Leeds. The slow, ponderous, sideways passing is ineffective. We have to be quicker, more aggressive and more ruthless with the ball. This means not needing to have 80% possession. It means getting the ball up the pitch quicker, with less passing. [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 21:34]
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| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 09:24 - Oct 11 with 2766 views | blambo |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 08:18 - Oct 11 by SonicBoom |
The will be clever people telling you that we are setting traps all over the park and drawing out the opponents. Sooner or later they make a mistake (which apparently means someone gets frustrated and dives into a tackle) and then we break their lines and move quickly onto their back 4.
I've also seen people say that we made loads of chances against Rotherham so you can't blame the manager or the system if the players dont finish chances - and to a certain extent that might be true.
You could also say that Martin has added 2 or 300 additional passes to our games for no added benefit. Even if it works pass after pass isn't great to watch when the majority of those passes or 8 yards into the midfielder, and he passes it straight back first time without even checking to see if he can turn and move forwards.
i suppose if we hit a vein of form and win some games then we will all feel better, but it's never goig to be a style I like watching. I also despair of fans who blindly repeat the mantra "trust the process". Why? We are allowed to question the process aren't we? |
Lack of clinical finishing is a key factor.
Sticking with the Newcastle vs PSG game...
2/3 of Newcastle's shots were ON TARGET.
HALF of these resulted in GOALS.
Or, to put it another way, they scored with 1 in 3 of their shots.
Our record is nowhere close to this. | | | |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 10:36 - Oct 11 with 2739 views | Ifonly |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 09:24 - Oct 11 by blambo |
Lack of clinical finishing is a key factor.
Sticking with the Newcastle vs PSG game...
2/3 of Newcastle's shots were ON TARGET.
HALF of these resulted in GOALS.
Or, to put it another way, they scored with 1 in 3 of their shots.
Our record is nowhere close to this. |
There are many factors, but for me we didn't create anywhere near enough genuine goal scoring chances against Rotherham and that was the main problem. We had "attempts on goal" not real chances. If you're playing a top team, then clinical finishing of a half chance might be what you rely on to take the points. But against Rotherham, we should be creating enough chances to score 3 easily.
Possession is no indicator of real chances created. For us, possession means taking too long to get the ball near their goal - which is what happened in the second half. Meanwhile they have crowded their defence meaning it's impossible to find the space for a real chance unless you have a 6'6" forward to get on the end of a cross.
Clinical finishing always helps but the real problem is that slowly recycled possession is never going to generate loads of chances against well drilled defences unless you have the likes of De Bruyne and Foden in your side. It seems pretty obvious to me that we've looked more dangerous when RM has given up on his principles and allowed us to get the ball forward quicker. | | | |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 14:34 - Oct 12 with 2568 views | blambo |
| What stats tell us.Why we underperform and are a yawn to watch, unlike Newcastle on 10:36 - Oct 11 by Ifonly |
There are many factors, but for me we didn't create anywhere near enough genuine goal scoring chances against Rotherham and that was the main problem. We had "attempts on goal" not real chances. If you're playing a top team, then clinical finishing of a half chance might be what you rely on to take the points. But against Rotherham, we should be creating enough chances to score 3 easily.
Possession is no indicator of real chances created. For us, possession means taking too long to get the ball near their goal - which is what happened in the second half. Meanwhile they have crowded their defence meaning it's impossible to find the space for a real chance unless you have a 6'6" forward to get on the end of a cross.
Clinical finishing always helps but the real problem is that slowly recycled possession is never going to generate loads of chances against well drilled defences unless you have the likes of De Bruyne and Foden in your side. It seems pretty obvious to me that we've looked more dangerous when RM has given up on his principles and allowed us to get the ball forward quicker. |
Watching Saints, faced with 11-men behind the ball in front of (because we were slow ponderous moving upfield) pump cross after cross into the box and expecting short-arsed forwards to win a header, let alone do anything (score?) with one, is just infuriating! | | | |
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