| players contracts... 12:58 - Mar 15 with 5577 views | southbrookstreet |
As the world struggles against the coronavirus its obvious the April 4th football shut down will be extended probably as far as June No one knows or can tell..
Many players contracts are expiring in June probably hundreds I dont know but that will cause complications..easy way out is cancellation of the 2019/20 season, I would say that would be favorite at this point of time.. Sorry brentford fulham and west brom you could be at Loftus Road again next season |  | | |  |
| players contracts... on 13:02 - Mar 15 with 4539 views | francisbowles |
Get government, EU etc to legislate that all player contracts expiring this June are extended by one year due to exceptional emergency conditions. | | | |
| players contracts... on 13:43 - Mar 15 with 4482 views | Esox_Lucius |
| players contracts... on 13:02 - Mar 15 by francisbowles |
Get government, EU etc to legislate that all player contracts expiring this June are extended by one year due to exceptional emergency conditions. |
How will that work with the players that no-one wants that were running them down anyway? and those players that were running them down so as to take advantage of a very lucrative contract elsewhere? Going against that would be tantamount to slavery. |  |
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| players contracts... on 13:51 - Mar 15 with 4453 views | Juzzie |
Cancel the season? Just like that? Yeah, I’m sure we’d all be for that if Covid 19 happened in March 2011 or 2014. |  | | |
| players contracts... on 14:29 - Mar 15 with 4380 views | Rangersw12 |
| players contracts... on 13:51 - Mar 15 by Juzzie |
Cancel the season? Just like that? Yeah, I’m sure we’d all be for that if Covid 19 happened in March 2011 or 2014. |
Yep
Anything to stop the scousers winning the league | | | |
| players contracts... on 14:34 - Mar 15 with 4375 views | loftboy |
| players contracts... on 14:29 - Mar 15 by Rangersw12 |
Yep
Anything to stop the scousers winning the league |
Would be more hilarious Leeds being denied promotion. |  |
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| players contracts... on 09:49 - Mar 16 with 4009 views | francisbowles |
| players contracts... on 13:43 - Mar 15 by Esox_Lucius |
How will that work with the players that no-one wants that were running them down anyway? and those players that were running them down so as to take advantage of a very lucrative contract elsewhere? Going against that would be tantamount to slavery. |
Yes I know it's extreme but the situation is unprecedented.
Maybe a better variation might be too extend them until this season is finished, however long it takes and then have a very short transfer window to include the time it takes to play the playoffs and a short break after, before we go with next season.
I am envisaging this season being finished in August and September but of course that is based on the the media and gut feeling. | | | |
| players contracts... on 11:00 - Mar 16 with 3944 views | bosh67 |
This season needs to be completed eventually otherwise I can see so many legal battles ensuing that football will eat itself and may never recover. If you listened to the podcast at the weekend contract wise (players coming out of them) according to Lee Hoos we aren't in a bad place and those that are can be fixed one way or another, so we are in as good a shape as we can be.
I would finish this season, ditch the FA Cup, League Cup and the Champions League next season. Put the Euros back to 2021 with it being reformatted as an initial play off tournament rather than groups and then straight to knock outs, so it is shorter.
The bottom line is that domestic football worldwide is the lifeblood of the game. F*ck that up in any way and the sport really will die out. That has to be the main consideration. The domestic cups and European/world tournaments have to be sacrificed temporarily to get things back on track. No other way to do it that makes sense.
If UEFA kick up a fuss it's time for domestic football to turn its back on them too. |  |
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| players contracts... on 11:25 - Mar 16 with 3872 views | francisbowles |
Think the PFA should start a debate with their members (the players) about a substantial salary donation whilst this crisis is ongoing. Others in society will be losing money and the players need to be conscious of how they will be viewed if they are still drawing large salaries whilst not being seen to do anything.
This could go into a fund to ensure clubs are kept going and their members have an industry to return to. | | | |
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| players contracts... on 14:39 - Mar 16 with 3742 views | daveB |
If the season goes beyond June 30th just extend players contract to the new season end date. It shouldn't be difficult |  | | |
| players contracts... on 14:51 - Mar 16 with 3718 views | derbyhoop |
| players contracts... on 14:39 - Mar 16 by daveB |
If the season goes beyond June 30th just extend players contract to the new season end date. It shouldn't be difficult |
Not difficult?
How many players affected? Each one will have a different contract and a different motivation to extend or annul.
I agree it is the most logical solution for the vast majority but every contract will need to be updated. |  |
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| players contracts... on 14:57 - Mar 16 with 3706 views | loftus77 |
| players contracts... on 14:39 - Mar 16 by daveB |
If the season goes beyond June 30th just extend players contract to the new season end date. It shouldn't be difficult |
This.
And I'm sure what will happen is that the 2019/20 season WILL be fully completed even if it runs into the late summer/autumn/early winter. Too much football has been played to just abandon it and suffer all the legal consequences.
The 'casualty', I would argue, will be the 2020/21 season which may end up being a 'mini-season' where everyone plays each other just once from, say, January-June 2021 (i.e 23 games with League Cup abandoned and group stages of Ch Lge/Europa Lg scrapped). Normal service could then be resumed for 2021/22. | | | |
| players contracts... on 14:58 - Mar 16 with 3700 views | kensalriser |
| players contracts... on 14:51 - Mar 16 by derbyhoop |
Not difficult?
How many players affected? Each one will have a different contract and a different motivation to extend or annul.
I agree it is the most logical solution for the vast majority but every contract will need to be updated. |
All that needs to happen is the governing bodies and clubs agreeing to it, which really shouldn't be that difficult assuming that fixtures can be completed over the summer. |  |
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| players contracts... on 14:58 - Mar 16 with 3698 views | Tonto |
| players contracts... on 14:57 - Mar 16 by loftus77 |
This.
And I'm sure what will happen is that the 2019/20 season WILL be fully completed even if it runs into the late summer/autumn/early winter. Too much football has been played to just abandon it and suffer all the legal consequences.
The 'casualty', I would argue, will be the 2020/21 season which may end up being a 'mini-season' where everyone plays each other just once from, say, January-June 2021 (i.e 23 games with League Cup abandoned and group stages of Ch Lge/Europa Lg scrapped). Normal service could then be resumed for 2021/22. |
yup - something like this... |  |
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| players contracts... on 15:02 - Mar 16 with 3679 views | francisbowles |
| players contracts... on 14:58 - Mar 16 by kensalriser |
All that needs to happen is the governing bodies and clubs agreeing to it, which really shouldn't be that difficult assuming that fixtures can be completed over the summer. |
Surely there are legal issues as well? | | | |
| players contracts... on 15:08 - Mar 16 with 3668 views | kensalriser |
| players contracts... on 15:02 - Mar 16 by francisbowles |
Surely there are legal issues as well? |
Exceptional circumstances. If governing bodies and clubs agree then it will work as players with expired contracts won't be able to go anywhere else until the season finishes. It's not really difficult compared with with the issues other industries, and indeed countries are facing. | |
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| players contracts... on 15:12 - Mar 16 with 3647 views | francisbowles |
Still sounds like a restrictive practice, think government might have to lay down an emergency act. | | | |
| players contracts... on 15:25 - Mar 16 with 3608 views | daveB |
| players contracts... on 14:51 - Mar 16 by derbyhoop |
Not difficult?
How many players affected? Each one will have a different contract and a different motivation to extend or annul.
I agree it is the most logical solution for the vast majority but every contract will need to be updated. |
it's common sense though isn't it, the window won't be open so they can't sign for anyone till the season officially ends, with all that is going on the vast majority of players are not going to kick off surely about signing a month or two extension.They can still move at the end of their contracts during the summer window the dates of it will just be amended.
All that has to happen is that FIFA say all players contracts which are due to end on 30th June now end on say the 30th August, it's very doable.
Far less complicated than whats happening with staff at Virgin and other airlines who are basically not being paid for 2 months whilst this goes on [Post edited 16 Mar 2020 15:27]
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| players contracts... on 19:05 - Mar 16 with 3486 views | Match82 |
| players contracts... on 15:25 - Mar 16 by daveB |
it's common sense though isn't it, the window won't be open so they can't sign for anyone till the season officially ends, with all that is going on the vast majority of players are not going to kick off surely about signing a month or two extension.They can still move at the end of their contracts during the summer window the dates of it will just be amended.
All that has to happen is that FIFA say all players contracts which are due to end on 30th June now end on say the 30th August, it's very doable.
Far less complicated than whats happening with staff at Virgin and other airlines who are basically not being paid for 2 months whilst this goes on [Post edited 16 Mar 2020 15:27]
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Can imagine some clubs with a bunch of dead wood are not going to be all that thrilled about paying extra wages?
Personally I'd just let the contracts expire whenever they do currently but allow clubs to negotiate short 2 month extensions (current terms) with the existing players if they want to. Players not offered contracts aren't allowed to play for other clubs in that period but are allowed to SIGN for other clubs (i.e. could play next year).
That way:
No players are losing money they would have got
No clubs are stuck paying excess wages
No movement between clubs is restricted
No clubs get advantage of bringing in mercenaries to "get over the line" |  | | |
| players contracts... on 21:19 - Mar 16 with 3409 views | davman |
Just continue when we're ready from where we are now.
Then either:
1.Postpone the transfer window to the end of the season whenever that is. Extend players contracts as others have said even though paying deadwood more than the club wants is not ideal, nor is retaining players who could get more elsewhere.
2. Allow teams to buy and sell just like they used to in the days before Sky out of the window. Unlikely that many teams will want to do much stuff when they may not know what division they are in don't know.
We have a really annoying WC coming in Nov / Dec 2022, so if the re-vamped season ended in September or October maybe we could make that WC work?
Tradition says football is August to May. Why couldn't it be January to October for a season or two?
If we HAVE to get back to Aug to May, we can do that with shorter seasons if needs be. Everyone says this is unprecedented, maybe it requires unprecedented thinking? |  |
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| players contracts... on 08:38 - Mar 17 with 3274 views | WestonsuperR |
| players contracts... on 14:57 - Mar 16 by loftus77 |
This.
And I'm sure what will happen is that the 2019/20 season WILL be fully completed even if it runs into the late summer/autumn/early winter. Too much football has been played to just abandon it and suffer all the legal consequences.
The 'casualty', I would argue, will be the 2020/21 season which may end up being a 'mini-season' where everyone plays each other just once from, say, January-June 2021 (i.e 23 games with League Cup abandoned and group stages of Ch Lge/Europa Lg scrapped). Normal service could then be resumed for 2021/22. |
I initially thought the mini-league solution also, play each team once but wouldn’t that finish off many lower league clubs who desperately rely on match day income? |  | | |
| players contracts... on 09:22 - Mar 17 with 3241 views | Esox_Lucius |
I have seen a lot of suggestions about "behind closed doors" games to finish the season but we are already seeing lots of teams having players diagnosed with CV so there is little sense in going through with that suggestion. Can you imagine the furore by our fans if QPR were forced to play a game with most of our first team self isolating or confirmed with CV? | |
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| players contracts... on 12:50 - Mar 17 with 3173 views | derbyhoop |
| players contracts... on 14:58 - Mar 16 by kensalriser |
All that needs to happen is the governing bodies and clubs agreeing to it, which really shouldn't be that difficult assuming that fixtures can be completed over the summer. |
And the players. And their agents. Anything the football authorities try to do, could conflict with more general Employment Law. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 12:56]
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| players contracts... on 14:09 - Mar 17 with 3127 views | danehoop |
| players contracts... on 12:50 - Mar 17 by derbyhoop |
And the players. And their agents. Anything the football authorities try to do, could conflict with more general Employment Law. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 12:56]
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lot of people on here are confusing waht mught appear to be right morally (not sure that is actually a thing in football anymore though) with what is legal. Derbyhoop has the right of it. None of the footballing bodies are legislative bodies when it comes to employment or contractual law, that is set by national governments and the EU. Most of the football authroities already run a very fine line in their rules and law which has seen things goes badly awry previously (remember Bosman). They may be lobbying desprately behind the scenes, but whatever happens will realistically be in line with current legislation and that requires agreement of player and club to extend contracts beyond existing end points. Any attempt to bypass that on a generic basis will most likely be found to be illegal and certainly could not be compelled. |  |
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| players contracts... on 16:41 - Mar 17 with 3076 views | nadera78 |
| players contracts... on 13:02 - Mar 15 by francisbowles |
Get government, EU etc to legislate that all player contracts expiring this June are extended by one year due to exceptional emergency conditions. |
A general principle of contract law is that one can only be altered by those who are a party to it, so here we're talking about the players and the clubs they are signed to play football for. No-one else - be it FA, government, EU - can alter that contract because they are not a party to it. In this instance that would mean each and every individual out of contract player would have to agree to extend their contracts with their club.
To legislate in the way you are suggesting would fundamentally alter the nature of a contract, and of contract law, for every single contract ever signed in this country. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 17:11]
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| players contracts... on 17:00 - Mar 17 with 1453 views | nadera78 |
As I said in the above post, you can't force out of contract players to extend their contracts.
Scenario 1
You're an out of contract player, and you know that your current club doesn't want you for next season, but you've got another club lined up. But in order to complete the fixtures this summer your current club want you to extend by two months because they can't sign anyone else. You agree to it and then get a serious injury. Now you find yourself out of contract, the current club doesn't want you, the other club doesn't either because you're no use to them, and you're facing a long time on the sidelines with no money coming in.
It's a risk every out of contract player would have to consider. Would you sign that 2 month extension? I don't think I would.
Scenario 2
Two clubs fighting relegation. One manages to convince all of its out of contract players to extend their contracts, the other doesn't. The second one gets relegated. They've played 80% of the season with one squad but through not fault of their own find themselves without players during this summer extension. Do you think that's fair? I don't. I'd be livid if I owned/supported that club. And the financial impact of relegation could destroy a club.
Honestly, there is no easy way through this. I don't envy any of the sports governing bodies right now. They've got a hell of a job on to navigate through this. | | | |
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