| Could be a crucial week for our future! 07:25 - Nov 2 with 7102 views | Seasideranger |
A heavy defeat ,as I expect, at Derby and the powers that be still stick with Ramsey I think the dis harmony among many will become irreversible! |  | | |  |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:12 - Nov 2 with 4982 views | Toast_R |
Rambuckle just does not have it. No needle, no galvanising presence giving us the feel that he's in command of the club's destiny. You get the feeling the players feel that too. After a relegation I just reckon you need someone in that dressing room with a bit more ommff. Ramsey nice guy, nice ideas etc is not going to cut it in this league. Us fans feel it too, he's not getting a fair crack at it because he does not get the respect other managers have got in the past. Why? No cv that catches the imagination? Plus the fact rightly or wrongly, he took the club down when there was a chance someone else could have saved it. TF promised a dream manager and I think the general consensus is that he short changed us. [Post edited 2 Nov 2015 10:14]
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:16 - Nov 2 with 4968 views | adhoc_qpr |
I just don't trust the board to get the managerial appointment right mid-season!
Stick with CR (unless we drop into serious relegation trouble) but plan to bin him at the end of the season and get a replacement in early with the whole off season to work with. | | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:52 - Nov 2 with 4891 views | THEBUSH |
One mistake after another, our club got the manager and coach positions the wrong way round.
Should have been Warnock as manager and Ramsey as coach.
If Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey can swallow their pride, they should reverse the manager/coach positions now !! |  | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:54 - Nov 2 with 4881 views | simmo |
Reckon he's already lined up to be replaced/let go. Waiting until after tomorrow which is a guaranteed beating anyway. Think they will have new people for the very likely win on Saturday - would put a lot of money on it being 2 certain people close to the club already... |  |
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:56 - Nov 2 with 4868 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:52 - Nov 2 by THEBUSH |
One mistake after another, our club got the manager and coach positions the wrong way round.
Should have been Warnock as manager and Ramsey as coach.
If Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey can swallow their pride, they should reverse the manager/coach positions now !! |
Warnock isn't interested. He may be persuadable as caretaker, but that's it. So let's stop this nonsense. |  |
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:56 - Nov 2 with 4865 views | Hooparoo |
When I see how well Paul Clement is doing at Derby, I can't help but wonder might have been if he came to us instead. |  |
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:03 - Nov 2 with 4830 views | wombat |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:56 - Nov 2 by Hooparoo |
When I see how well Paul Clement is doing at Derby, I can't help but wonder might have been if he came to us instead. |
shaun derry anyone ?
warnock stays on board in the same role derry takes over the reigns , Tf makes another the fans will love him appointment and derry will be cheap |  |
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:11 - Nov 2 with 4803 views | adhoc_qpr |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:56 - Nov 2 by Hooparoo |
When I see how well Paul Clement is doing at Derby, I can't help but wonder might have been if he came to us instead. |
Starting slowly but now unbeaten in 9 and improving all the time - sign of a good coach! | | | |
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:11 - Nov 2 with 4802 views | Gloucs_R |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:56 - Nov 2 by Hooparoo |
When I see how well Paul Clement is doing at Derby, I can't help but wonder might have been if he came to us instead. |
We'd have sacked him after 5 his first 5 games! (Or at least 75% of the fans would have been calling for that!!) |  |
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:35 - Nov 2 with 4741 views | Vish |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:56 - Nov 2 by Hooparoo |
When I see how well Paul Clement is doing at Derby, I can't help but wonder might have been if he came to us instead. |
Paul Clement had gone to a club with foundations, ethic, strong board and a team that was solid. It was far easier for his to slot in there and take over.
With us, there is a lot to do not just get a playing XI together. Its a tough job for anyone to come into, and i am not sure who would want it either. | | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:42 - Nov 2 with 4722 views | NW10Hoop |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:11 - Nov 2 by Gloucs_R |
We'd have sacked him after 5 his first 5 games! (Or at least 75% of the fans would have been calling for that!!) |
Nope. Can we stop ragging out our own fans? Yes there have been people calling for Ramsey to go since the beginning of the season, but that's because they are also judging his 5 months in charge last season too.
The people who have been up for giving Ramsey a fair crack (of which I think I'm one) are only judging him from this season, and as gutless as many performances have been, it's still too early to arbitrarily make changes in the hope that that sorts everything out. |  | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:42 - Nov 2 with 4719 views | stevec |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:11 - Nov 2 by adhoc_qpr |
Starting slowly but now unbeaten in 9 and improving all the time - sign of a good coach! |
Nicely worded.
It's the bit that us ignoramuses, the so called 75%, need explaining to us. Exactly when did Ramsey show any signs of 'improving all the time'? In fact, I'll settle for any time.
I am prepared to be educated. |  | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:53 - Nov 2 with 4688 views | adhoc_qpr |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:42 - Nov 2 by NW10Hoop |
Nope. Can we stop ragging out our own fans? Yes there have been people calling for Ramsey to go since the beginning of the season, but that's because they are also judging his 5 months in charge last season too.
The people who have been up for giving Ramsey a fair crack (of which I think I'm one) are only judging him from this season, and as gutless as many performances have been, it's still too early to arbitrarily make changes in the hope that that sorts everything out. |
This is a pretty reasonable response.
But when is this mythical time that we are allowed to judge Ramsey and he is deemed to have had a fair crack? Half way through the season? One full season?
Ignoring his first 5 months is very dangerous IMO because he is still making many of the same mistakes and has the same level of inconsistency.
Look at the QPR team Warnock got promoted to see what good management can bring to a flawed and unbalanced bunch of players when united - Ramsey doesn't seem to have it in him to do this, a new manager might (but i doubt we'd pick the right one). | | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:11 - Nov 2 with 4637 views | Gloucs_R |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:42 - Nov 2 by NW10Hoop |
Nope. Can we stop ragging out our own fans? Yes there have been people calling for Ramsey to go since the beginning of the season, but that's because they are also judging his 5 months in charge last season too.
The people who have been up for giving Ramsey a fair crack (of which I think I'm one) are only judging him from this season, and as gutless as many performances have been, it's still too early to arbitrarily make changes in the hope that that sorts everything out. |
It was a poor attempt at humour!  | |
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:29 - Nov 2 with 4579 views | NW10Hoop |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:53 - Nov 2 by adhoc_qpr |
This is a pretty reasonable response.
But when is this mythical time that we are allowed to judge Ramsey and he is deemed to have had a fair crack? Half way through the season? One full season?
Ignoring his first 5 months is very dangerous IMO because he is still making many of the same mistakes and has the same level of inconsistency.
Look at the QPR team Warnock got promoted to see what good management can bring to a flawed and unbalanced bunch of players when united - Ramsey doesn't seem to have it in him to do this, a new manager might (but i doubt we'd pick the right one). |
Yeah, I definitely empathize with the Ramsey out brigade - maybe they were just able to see the deficiencies before us "more patient" fans. But I guess I'd like to give him at least until Christmas for a few reasons...
1 - I have no idea how long it takes to drum your ideas into the brains and feet of footballers - particularly if you've had to change your objectives six weeks into a season
2 - I don't think we're gonna get promoted or relegated regardless of who we bring in, so maybe just let things play out a while longer......
3 - There's no obvious replacement out there currently unattached.
I really hope things click into place for Ramsey and the team in the next couple of months, and if they don't at least we won't be left wondering whether we sacked him too early. He does seem to have struggled with the weight of keeping our key players and the increased levels of expectation. You would have hoped that a manager would relish having the best striker (Austin) and one of the best crossers of the ball (Phillips) in the division. | | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:30 - Nov 2 with 4575 views | daveB |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:56 - Nov 2 by Hooparoo |
When I see how well Paul Clement is doing at Derby, I can't help but wonder might have been if he came to us instead. |
Well he had the option but didn't want to, Derby were in a much healthier state than us |  | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:47 - Nov 2 with 4511 views | YorkRanger |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:03 - Nov 2 by wombat |
shaun derry anyone ?
warnock stays on board in the same role derry takes over the reigns , Tf makes another the fans will love him appointment and derry will be cheap |
Loved Derry as a player, but his managerial record hardly breeds confidence. |  | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:51 - Nov 2 with 4489 views | whittocksRs |
The strangest thing about the reaction of QPR fans to Ramsey this season is before it all began in August, almost everyone agreed a mid-table finish, which we're on for, would be fine. Sure, a few of the bigger names stayed when we thought they'd go, but most of them have hardly played.
We've not god-given right to assume we're top two or top six material, especially when the behind-the-scenes affairs are totally chaotic and you have Fernandes talking about 'promotion is everything to me' weeks after saying the exact opposite of that.
All this said, Ramsey is not impressing me with his in-game management, and that is a worry. | | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:53 - Nov 2 with 4471 views | Toast_R |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:47 - Nov 2 by YorkRanger |
Loved Derry as a player, but his managerial record hardly breeds confidence. |
It would appease the fan base though and give the whole place a massive lift. That's half the problem at the moment.
Butch Wilkins had no managerial CV but the fans were all calling him back from Palace when Francis walked. Didn't quite work out in the end as his inexperience was exposed in the wake of the Ferdinand and sale. Ironically Ferdnand is on hand to prevent that happening now. [Post edited 2 Nov 2015 12:54]
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:58 - Nov 2 with 4449 views | adhoc_qpr |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:51 - Nov 2 by whittocksRs |
The strangest thing about the reaction of QPR fans to Ramsey this season is before it all began in August, almost everyone agreed a mid-table finish, which we're on for, would be fine. Sure, a few of the bigger names stayed when we thought they'd go, but most of them have hardly played.
We've not god-given right to assume we're top two or top six material, especially when the behind-the-scenes affairs are totally chaotic and you have Fernandes talking about 'promotion is everything to me' weeks after saying the exact opposite of that.
All this said, Ramsey is not impressing me with his in-game management, and that is a worry. |
This is true.
But then in August most people thought we were in for a season of Poulter upfront, with the likes of Furlong, Kpekawa, Doughty, Grego-Cox etc getting game time. | | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 13:06 - Nov 2 with 4422 views | themodfather |
we are not consistent...confidence seems low and derby will want to stuff us for the wembley win.
i can't see much for r's at the ipro or whatever they call that white shed in a remote field...
do our board and TF want to see protests and demos outside SAR?
qpr fans don't want a new ground , yet, we don't want the world but want to see some fight,passion and effort from whoever wears the hoops...there's time to rally this lot into a cohesive force. | | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 13:26 - Nov 2 with 4366 views | CFW |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 12:47 - Nov 2 by YorkRanger |
Loved Derry as a player, but his managerial record hardly breeds confidence. |
Totally agree - if and it is a big if CR get the tin tack then we really do have to get out of this current mindset of offering jobs to people just because they have history with our club. It does not work. Give me someone who has managerial experience, I could not care less if he has never played for us in the past but just give me someone who can sort out or club and team. And it would help if that was sooner rather than later. | | | |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 13:40 - Nov 2 with 4327 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 10:12 - Nov 2 by Toast_R |
Rambuckle just does not have it. No needle, no galvanising presence giving us the feel that he's in command of the club's destiny. You get the feeling the players feel that too. After a relegation I just reckon you need someone in that dressing room with a bit more ommff. Ramsey nice guy, nice ideas etc is not going to cut it in this league. Us fans feel it too, he's not getting a fair crack at it because he does not get the respect other managers have got in the past. Why? No cv that catches the imagination? Plus the fact rightly or wrongly, he took the club down when there was a chance someone else could have saved it. TF promised a dream manager and I think the general consensus is that he short changed us. [Post edited 2 Nov 2015 10:14]
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I'd forgotten all about the 'dream manager' tweet! FFS... |  |
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| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 14:08 - Nov 2 with 4263 views | ibnumber10 |
| Could be a crucial week for our future! on 11:35 - Nov 2 by Vish |
Paul Clement had gone to a club with foundations, ethic, strong board and a team that was solid. It was far easier for his to slot in there and take over.
With us, there is a lot to do not just get a playing XI together. Its a tough job for anyone to come into, and i am not sure who would want it either. |
Totally agree,
we need to rebuild the foundations but the board now want promotion with the squad we have, and have changed the remit.
Although many players have commented on Ramsey being a good coach, it's now obvious that he's not able to deliver what the board want, i.e. a promotion challenge, whilst also re-building the squad. The pressure seems to be getting to him, he looks like a dead man walking.
When I look back at the Briatore era, the club constantly changed managers until we got the Amit and Warnock combination
Warnock came in March 2010 and turned us around so quickly to win promotion barely a year later, a fantastic miracle season.
Maybe its a case of getting the right manager / chairman pairing again and some nous in the January transfer window
Although we still require the academy / U21 structure of the club to develop - and this is what Ramsey was brought in for originally.
I agree with some on here that that is probably the ideal role for Ramsey, but can't help thinking that now he's had a taste of managing it would be too much for him to go back to his previous role. | | | |
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