| That defeat is down to Martin 16:57 - Aug 24 with 7019 views | grumpy |
Clueless. |  | | |  |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 16:58 - Aug 24 with 4279 views | I_would |
Thick big-headed clown. |  |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:03 - Aug 24 with 4220 views | Heisenberg |
The defeat is down to the fact that we are simply not good enough for this league. We have one player in KWP that is Premier League level the rest are Championship players. Just accept it there is zero chance of this team staying up. |  |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:05 - Aug 24 with 4190 views | UlsterBaz |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:03 - Aug 24 by Heisenberg |
The defeat is down to the fact that we are simply not good enough for this league. We have one player in KWP that is Premier League level the rest are Championship players. Just accept it there is zero chance of this team staying up. |
Certainly looks like it at the minute. |  | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:05 - Aug 24 with 4142 views | saint22 |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:03 - Aug 24 by Heisenberg |
The defeat is down to the fact that we are simply not good enough for this league. We have one player in KWP that is Premier League level the rest are Championship players. Just accept it there is zero chance of this team staying up. |
This
And the fact RM is a championship manager | | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:08 - Aug 24 with 4161 views | 1885_SFC |
The team that were hopeless against 10-man Newcastle... was the exact same team picked today to somehow, magically, beat a resilient Nottingham Forest.
Meanwhile, there was a host of talent left on the bench today by RM who, surprisingly, decided to stick with the same old formula that failed miserably seven days earlier.
Why?
Why would you do that? |  |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:08 - Aug 24 with 4157 views | kentsouthampton |
Why is everyone complaining, we have possession stats that are the envy of the league and our attack has kept two clean sheets. |  | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:32 - Aug 24 with 4003 views | Flamingbankers |
Russell Martin's side remain winless in their previous 15 Premier League matches and without a goal in their past two - BBC report. Maybe we can have a record breaking winless run? | | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:42 - Aug 24 with 3922 views | SonicBoom |
I didnt see it today but did we really have 65% possession and 5 shots whilst they had 23 shots?? Really? |  | | |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:44 - Aug 24 with 3908 views | GRIM |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:42 - Aug 24 by SonicBoom |
I didnt see it today but did we really have 65% possession and 5 shots whilst they had 23 shots?? Really? |
It ain't going to be as much fun as last season.
Hold on tight it's going to be a bumpy ride. | | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:45 - Aug 24 with 3899 views | saintpaz |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:42 - Aug 24 by SonicBoom |
I didnt see it today but did we really have 65% possession and 5 shots whilst they had 23 shots?? Really? |
yup and only 1 on target which was a tame shot by Walker-Peters. We tried to pass our way through without creating much. Edozie got in some decent positions again but was a bit dozie again on the ball |  | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:48 - Aug 24 with 3887 views | saintmark1976 |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:08 - Aug 24 by 1885_SFC |
The team that were hopeless against 10-man Newcastle... was the exact same team picked today to somehow, magically, beat a resilient Nottingham Forest.
Meanwhile, there was a host of talent left on the bench today by RM who, surprisingly, decided to stick with the same old formula that failed miserably seven days earlier.
Why?
Why would you do that? |
I’ve absolutely no idea whatsoever 1885 SFC and imagine that nor do 27000 other Saints fans that attended today. | |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:55 - Aug 24 with 3802 views | cocklebreath |
One positive Dibling who reminds me of Le tiss the rest rubbish |  |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:59 - Aug 24 with 3807 views | Southamptonfan |
That old chestnut. The manager who heroically got us up isn't good enough for the PL. All 3 promoted sides from last season went straight back down. Ipswich have also lost both games. Vincent Konpany wasn't good enough for Burnley last season. He's now manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world. Ralph wasn't good enough, Seles wasn't good enough, Jones wasn't good enough. Could it not just be that we don't sign enough of the real quality you need in this league? Swapping the manager won't make any difference. We need a 50 million pound striker that wins you games, that's what we need. | |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:12 - Aug 24 with 3762 views | Ifonly |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:59 - Aug 24 by Southamptonfan |
That old chestnut. The manager who heroically got us up isn't good enough for the PL. All 3 promoted sides from last season went straight back down. Ipswich have also lost both games. Vincent Konpany wasn't good enough for Burnley last season. He's now manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world. Ralph wasn't good enough, Seles wasn't good enough, Jones wasn't good enough. Could it not just be that we don't sign enough of the real quality you need in this league? Swapping the manager won't make any difference. We need a 50 million pound striker that wins you games, that's what we need. |
No, Kompany got relegated with Burnley because he tried to play possession using mediocre players in the PL. Russ will soon find out the same thing. These managers just aren't suited to clubs like ours with meagre resources.
If you have meagre resources you have to play a different way, not possession. Then you don't have to pay top dollar for players who all have Barcelona type skills, or end up trying to get players who don't have those skills to try and play that way.
Swapping managers definitely would make a difference - so long as we changed our style too. | | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:17 - Aug 24 with 3734 views | Southamptonfan |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:12 - Aug 24 by Ifonly |
No, Kompany got relegated with Burnley because he tried to play possession using mediocre players in the PL. Russ will soon find out the same thing. These managers just aren't suited to clubs like ours with meagre resources.
If you have meagre resources you have to play a different way, not possession. Then you don't have to pay top dollar for players who all have Barcelona type skills, or end up trying to get players who don't have those skills to try and play that way.
Swapping managers definitely would make a difference - so long as we changed our style too. |
More of the Nathan Jones style or Sean Dyche? Mark Hughes to save us anyone? We would still get beat either way. [Post edited 24 Aug 18:19]
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:27 - Aug 24 with 3686 views | Ifonly |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:17 - Aug 24 by Southamptonfan |
More of the Nathan Jones style or Sean Dyche? Mark Hughes to save us anyone? We would still get beat either way. [Post edited 24 Aug 18:19]
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No, not being Russell Martin doesn't mean being Nathan Jones. How about playing like Villa do or Bournemouth or Crystal Palace or Wolves or even Forest today? Counter attacking makes much more sense for us than possession. | | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:31 - Aug 24 with 3663 views | grumpy |
Martin made 5 changes when Forest scored.
What game was he watching?
Why play Armstrong and Diaz on the wings,who were they supposed to cross to?
Paul Onuachu is on the pay roll stick him on the bench and bring him on if need be,cant do any worse. [Post edited 24 Aug 18:34]
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:40 - Aug 24 with 3609 views | Southamptonfan |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:27 - Aug 24 by Ifonly |
No, not being Russell Martin doesn't mean being Nathan Jones. How about playing like Villa do or Bournemouth or Crystal Palace or Wolves or even Forest today? Counter attacking makes much more sense for us than possession. |
Those clubs have match winners. It will be like the Ralph situation all over again. Get rid of Ralph, everything will improve. Things actually got worse. It's the Premier League. It's very tough and we simply don't have any match winners in our team. If you.dont have goal scorers of real quality we will struggle regardless. | |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:40 - Aug 24 with 3606 views | MytchettSaint |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:31 - Aug 24 by grumpy |
Martin made 5 changes when Forest scored.
What game was he watching?
Why play Armstrong and Diaz on the wings,who were they supposed to cross to?
Paul Onuachu is on the pay roll stick him on the bench and bring him on if need be,cant do any worse. [Post edited 24 Aug 18:34]
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He’s a reactive manager, not a proactive manager.
That was fecking dull. They could still be out there now playing, and Forest sat on their coach home yet we still wouldn’t look like scoring.
Why are we to afraid to shoot! Take a shot fellas! |  |
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:59 - Aug 24 with 3509 views | City_boy |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:31 - Aug 24 by grumpy |
Martin made 5 changes when Forest scored.
What game was he watching?
Why play Armstrong and Diaz on the wings,who were they supposed to cross to?
Paul Onuachu is on the pay roll stick him on the bench and bring him on if need be,cant do any worse. [Post edited 24 Aug 18:34]
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Spot on. There was no-body in the box. Even on 90 mins. Diaz was still hugging the touch line.
As for the substitutions, it was like a scatter gun approach. Seemed liked RM just threw on anyone, Dibling did have a bit of threat going forward, but will probably be dropped next week for not playing sideways and backwards. Surely he must play in place of Smallbone next week.
Finally, why do we need to play 5 across back ? It doesn't work for us and never has. | | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 19:08 - Aug 24 with 3454 views | kingslandstand1 |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:40 - Aug 24 by MytchettSaint |
He’s a reactive manager, not a proactive manager.
That was fecking dull. They could still be out there now playing, and Forest sat on their coach home yet we still wouldn’t look like scoring.
Why are we to afraid to shoot! Take a shot fellas! |
That was exactly our conversation afterwards |  | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 19:08 - Aug 24 with 3461 views | Ifonly |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 18:40 - Aug 24 by Southamptonfan |
Those clubs have match winners. It will be like the Ralph situation all over again. Get rid of Ralph, everything will improve. Things actually got worse. It's the Premier League. It's very tough and we simply don't have any match winners in our team. If you.dont have goal scorers of real quality we will struggle regardless. |
Who do you think chooses the players? Whose priorities mean that we end up with players that can play tippy tappy but have no physicality?
A smart manager could take our budget and form a team that would survive in the Prem based on a goalkeeper that stopped shots, a stubborn low block and rapid counter attacks.
If we attacked at pace when there was space to move into, some of our players would look a lot better than they do now when we attack slowly and the space has gone. We could play like Forest did today and have one third of the possession and over 75% of the shots. We'd certainly score goals then. | | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 19:19 - Aug 24 with 3295 views | kingslandstand1 |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 17:59 - Aug 24 by Southamptonfan |
That old chestnut. The manager who heroically got us up isn't good enough for the PL. All 3 promoted sides from last season went straight back down. Ipswich have also lost both games. Vincent Konpany wasn't good enough for Burnley last season. He's now manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world. Ralph wasn't good enough, Seles wasn't good enough, Jones wasn't good enough. Could it not just be that we don't sign enough of the real quality you need in this league? Swapping the manager won't make any difference. We need a 50 million pound striker that wins you games, that's what we need. |
But a better (?) manager could see that this style of football was not working and we kept having passes that were not successful
A lot of that is that while it worked in the Championship we don't have the players good enough for the Premiership with this tippy happy possession style.
It's too late now, it's gonna be a long hard season | | | |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 19:45 - Aug 24 with 3165 views | BLEEDRED |
Stats tell it all, 65% possession, 1 shot on goal and only 1 off target (at home)
More telling for me, McCarthy had to make 7 saves (a couple of good ones) Forest should have won more easily.
So Saints had more possession in the first 2 games but no goal threat, and that is against 2 teams who did not even play that well, just wait until we face a good side!
If RM cannot see that his game plan will not work but is not prepared to change, he should resign.
Expect Dibbling to leave on loan next week!!!!!
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| That defeat is down to Martin on 19:46 - Aug 24 with 3162 views | GRIM |
| That defeat is down to Martin on 19:19 - Aug 24 by kingslandstand1 |
But a better (?) manager could see that this style of football was not working and we kept having passes that were not successful
A lot of that is that while it worked in the Championship we don't have the players good enough for the Premiership with this tippy happy possession style.
It's too late now, it's gonna be a long hard season |
Carry on like this & we'll get relegated with even less points than we had last time we were relegated.
Possibly the lowest points ever gained in Premier lge.
I know it's too early be saying this but the signs are not good. [Post edited 25 Aug 16:31]
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