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Our record with United is immaterial in my book, it's history is how I see It.
I'm delighted with this signing, more back up, more strength in depth, more options etc,etc.
Agree.... just hope history don't repeat itself because we have had a few bramers from them As said wish the lad the best of luck as if just for a season he is one of ours
I have told you all summer we'd end up with a loan at right back
Yes you did and probably (without knowing anything about the lad ) he will be an upgrade on Kakay. But neither of those things are the point are they? Beale's primary remit as I understood it, was to develop the younger players and increase their resale value. Create a clear 'pathway' (hate that term) to the first team and yet here we are with aa LOANED full back, who will almost certainly jettison one of our own out of the RB position. Will it improve the team? Almost certainly. Does it send a message to the other kids that there are opportunities here to break through to the first team? Clearly not. People will point to Sinclair and say Beale IS giving yoof a chance, but when you remove one your own for a lean, with no possibility of it becoming permanent , it's not exactly fulfilling his remit is it?
Yes you did and probably (without knowing anything about the lad ) he will be an upgrade on Kakay. But neither of those things are the point are they? Beale's primary remit as I understood it, was to develop the younger players and increase their resale value. Create a clear 'pathway' (hate that term) to the first team and yet here we are with aa LOANED full back, who will almost certainly jettison one of our own out of the RB position. Will it improve the team? Almost certainly. Does it send a message to the other kids that there are opportunities here to break through to the first team? Clearly not. People will point to Sinclair and say Beale IS giving yoof a chance, but when you remove one your own for a lean, with no possibility of it becoming permanent , it's not exactly fulfilling his remit is it?
I understand the point, but as has been stated elsewhere, Kakay isn't a youngster anymore, he's 25.
It would be different if he was 18 or 19, but he's played under god knows how many managers here and never made the position his own, so regrettably (and I do regret saying, because I do like the lad, I think he's got a good attitude), the reality is that Ozzie Kakay is probably stopping someone like Aaron Drewe from having a chance to show whether he is good enough to progress into the first team over the next year or two.
Yes you did and probably (without knowing anything about the lad ) he will be an upgrade on Kakay. But neither of those things are the point are they? Beale's primary remit as I understood it, was to develop the younger players and increase their resale value. Create a clear 'pathway' (hate that term) to the first team and yet here we are with aa LOANED full back, who will almost certainly jettison one of our own out of the RB position. Will it improve the team? Almost certainly. Does it send a message to the other kids that there are opportunities here to break through to the first team? Clearly not. People will point to Sinclair and say Beale IS giving yoof a chance, but when you remove one your own for a lean, with no possibility of it becoming permanent , it's not exactly fulfilling his remit is it?
Just turning this on its head what would you do if there is no suitable replacement at the club for Kakay when/if he gets injured? It is a key position wouldn't you agree?
I understand the point, but as has been stated elsewhere, Kakay isn't a youngster anymore, he's 25.
It would be different if he was 18 or 19, but he's played under god knows how many managers here and never made the position his own, so regrettably (and I do regret saying, because I do like the lad, I think he's got a good attitude), the reality is that Ozzie Kakay is probably stopping someone like Aaron Drewe from having a chance to show whether he is good enough to progress into the first team over the next year or two.
Agreed. Kakay has had plenty of opportunities. If he was good enough we wouldn't need to look elsewhere. That said he can still do a job for us as part of the squad.
Agree.... just hope history don't repeat itself because we have had a few bramers from them As said wish the lad the best of luck as if just for a season he is one of ours
Few people alluding to this throughout but it’s worth repeating - the only ‘young player’ in our squad is Armstrong. Drew’s and gubbins are 21 (I think), Kakay and Travelman are 24/5. Beale’s remit is not to prioritise below average squad players at the expense of the rest of the team. We don’t have enough cash for a good perm: get a good loan in for one season, sell a cash cow (hopefully), go and buy a good 22/23 year old next summer.
Yes you did and probably (without knowing anything about the lad ) he will be an upgrade on Kakay. But neither of those things are the point are they? Beale's primary remit as I understood it, was to develop the younger players and increase their resale value. Create a clear 'pathway' (hate that term) to the first team and yet here we are with aa LOANED full back, who will almost certainly jettison one of our own out of the RB position. Will it improve the team? Almost certainly. Does it send a message to the other kids that there are opportunities here to break through to the first team? Clearly not. People will point to Sinclair and say Beale IS giving yoof a chance, but when you remove one your own for a lean, with no possibility of it becoming permanent , it's not exactly fulfilling his remit is it?
Is the club anywhere on record stating Beale's remit?
Sorry auto spell... A real Brahma down the pit meant the opposite of who Brahma was which was something good or excellent.... sorry sometimes I slip into slang
Yes you did and probably (without knowing anything about the lad ) he will be an upgrade on Kakay. But neither of those things are the point are they? Beale's primary remit as I understood it, was to develop the younger players and increase their resale value. Create a clear 'pathway' (hate that term) to the first team and yet here we are with aa LOANED full back, who will almost certainly jettison one of our own out of the RB position. Will it improve the team? Almost certainly. Does it send a message to the other kids that there are opportunities here to break through to the first team? Clearly not. People will point to Sinclair and say Beale IS giving yoof a chance, but when you remove one your own for a lean, with no possibility of it becoming permanent , it's not exactly fulfilling his remit is it?
I get what you are saying, but Kakay is a very limited full back and has played more than enough 1st team games to show what he is capable of. In my view, he has already done this and is nothing more than a squad player.
Beale may have been tasked with developing and improving our young players, but let's be honest here, most of them are lower Championship, L1 or L2 standard.
I have no issue with Laird starting in place of Kakay and would even start with him tomorrow. Kakay has done reasonably well as a stopgap, but he was caught out twice for Stewart's goal. 1st by not being close enough to get a tackle or prevent the cross, then by playing him onside and then raising his arm for the flag.
QPR need full backs who can defend but also attack and create scoring opportunities and Laird looks more capable of doing this.
If a Premiership club were willing to loan us a decent young striker (previous loans to this league include Andy Cole, Tammy Abraham, Harry Wilson, etc Simms is on loan to Sunderland from Everton) would you prefer to start with Dykes and Bonne because they are our own?
As I got to the end of the thread was going to.post the same..... our record with united is not the best... But good luck to the lad and welcome
Ji Sung park on a paid, Rio on a free and both Fabio and Will Keane on loans. Hoping this lad will balance the scales. Love Kakays attitude but he's a squad back up at best. Saying that I would still start him ahead of hammerclangerdingdong at LB.
Ji Sung park on a paid, Rio on a free and both Fabio and Will Keane on loans. Hoping this lad will balance the scales. Love Kakays attitude but he's a squad back up at best. Saying that I would still start him ahead of hammerclangerdingdong at LB.
Somehow you managed to forget Sean Goss ;-)
But blimey, the boy Laird's interview on the club site has to be the most confident in history!
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