| Next firebreak 22:16 - Nov 16 with 18317 views | controversial_jack |
From a source at the Welsh assembly, 21st December. |  | | |  |
| Next firebreak on 10:24 - Dec 2 with 1289 views | pencoedjack |
| Next firebreak on 21:20 - Dec 1 by Scotia |
The vast majority of people I know who have had it, know where they have picked it up and most of those from work or car sharing. It has then spread through the family often because lockdown rules are ignored.
I know one person who thinks she caught it from a trip to the Dr and one who openly admits he caught it from his brother in law as they used a home gym together and didn't socially distance. His brother in law caught it in work as a prison officer.
I think what shows the relatively limited amount of public spread is the small fall in cases over the Firebreak. I think it was less than 30%?
The biggest super spreader event I know of happens every weekend in my in laws house where at least 5 households and up to 15 people gather in a Penlan council house. Mother in law is 78 in March with COPD and a dodgy heart. |
Don't take this personally but if anything happens to your in laws they deserve all the get.
My mother in law (also 78) had breast cancer surgery yesterday & also has lung cancer hasn't been outside the house since the start of the pandemic.
Idiots like your in laws p iss me off. |  | | |
| Next firebreak on 10:39 - Dec 2 with 1285 views | Catullus |
| Next firebreak on 10:24 - Dec 2 by pencoedjack |
Don't take this personally but if anything happens to your in laws they deserve all the get.
My mother in law (also 78) had breast cancer surgery yesterday & also has lung cancer hasn't been outside the house since the start of the pandemic.
Idiots like your in laws p iss me off. |
Some people make sacrifices, some don't. | |
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| Next firebreak on 10:40 - Dec 2 with 1285 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 06:50 - Dec 2 by angryjack |
Still that spread sheet is from information that the government is saying which we know no different |
What is known is that the figures dropped from April to early August. During that time non essential retail was reopened as were things like Hairdressers and tourist attraction yet the cases continued to drop. They remained low when pubs opened outdoors. Within 2 weeks of pubs opening indoors the rise started and has continued since up until the end of October. This was added to by people returning from holidays abroad and that allied to the opening of pubs indoors has led to the increase. At its lowest point there were 8 cases in a day. Neath Port Talbot didn't have a single case for 8 days. On 1 September when schools reopened it had gone up from 8 to 51 in 3 weeks and by the time university students came here on 21 September it has risen to 234 in a further 3 weeks and has risen since at similar rates.
This rise isnt due to schools returning or universities opening. It hasnt helped the situation but the process had already started. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 10:51 - Dec 2 with 1269 views | pencoedjack |
| Next firebreak on 21:20 - Dec 1 by Scotia |
The vast majority of people I know who have had it, know where they have picked it up and most of those from work or car sharing. It has then spread through the family often because lockdown rules are ignored.
I know one person who thinks she caught it from a trip to the Dr and one who openly admits he caught it from his brother in law as they used a home gym together and didn't socially distance. His brother in law caught it in work as a prison officer.
I think what shows the relatively limited amount of public spread is the small fall in cases over the Firebreak. I think it was less than 30%?
The biggest super spreader event I know of happens every weekend in my in laws house where at least 5 households and up to 15 people gather in a Penlan council house. Mother in law is 78 in March with COPD and a dodgy heart. |
Don't take this personally but if anything happens to your in laws they deserve all the get.
My mother in law (also 78) had breast cancer surgery yesterday & also has lung cancer hasn't been outside the house since the start of the pandemic.
Idiots like your in laws p iss me off. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 11:35 - Dec 2 with 1272 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 07:26 - Dec 2 by Scotia |
A couple of reasons.
1, it wouldn't stop them doing it the next week. Xmas night will be worse than normal.
2, they couldn't afford to pay a fine and wouldn't pay it. Me and the Mrs would probably have to.
3, my wife and I have told them the risks and they ignore them. On their heads be it. They'll be first to kick up a fuss if they can't visit their mother in hospital. |
They don't seem the smartest | | | |
| Next firebreak on 11:37 - Dec 2 with 1271 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 10:24 - Dec 2 by pencoedjack |
Don't take this personally but if anything happens to your in laws they deserve all the get.
My mother in law (also 78) had breast cancer surgery yesterday & also has lung cancer hasn't been outside the house since the start of the pandemic.
Idiots like your in laws p iss me off. |
I agree, my mother is 88 recovering from cancer and is doing her best.
Those in laws are as guilty as any drink driver and should be jailed | | | |
| Next firebreak on 11:47 - Dec 2 with 1266 views | onehunglow |
Drink drivers can kill.
Covid spreaders are killing infinately more.
It' s that simple | |
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| Next firebreak on 11:48 - Dec 2 with 1265 views | Catullus |
| Next firebreak on 11:37 - Dec 2 by controversial_jack |
I agree, my mother is 88 recovering from cancer and is doing her best.
Those in laws are as guilty as any drink driver and should be jailed |
Jailed, hmmm, where will e put everybody if all rule breakers were jailed?
It's time for the big electric fence around Anglesey again  | |
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| Next firebreak on 11:51 - Dec 2 with 1264 views | onehunglow |
And we are talking Police being involved too,knowing that that cannot be trusted | |
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| Next firebreak on 11:58 - Dec 2 with 1262 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 10:51 - Dec 2 by pencoedjack |
Don't take this personally but if anything happens to your in laws they deserve all the get.
My mother in law (also 78) had breast cancer surgery yesterday & also has lung cancer hasn't been outside the house since the start of the pandemic.
Idiots like your in laws p iss me off. |
I honestly think I've done my bit. As has my wife - we have been inside my in law's once since March and that was towards the end of July at the lowest point of cases. We feel quite ostracised but are making a point.
You are correct though and I don't take offence. This kind of thing is happening everywhere. You'd be surprised at the people who are either ignorant or oblivious. They get their news from facebook and nowhere else.
On the family whatsapp group this the Mrs wrote something like "great news the vaccine has been approved" only to get a reply "a vaccine for what?" That sums it up really. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 12:07]
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| Next firebreak on 12:11 - Dec 2 with 1255 views | Catullus |
| Next firebreak on 11:58 - Dec 2 by Scotia |
I honestly think I've done my bit. As has my wife - we have been inside my in law's once since March and that was towards the end of July at the lowest point of cases. We feel quite ostracised but are making a point.
You are correct though and I don't take offence. This kind of thing is happening everywhere. You'd be surprised at the people who are either ignorant or oblivious. They get their news from facebook and nowhere else.
On the family whatsapp group this the Mrs wrote something like "great news the vaccine has been approved" only to get a reply "a vaccine for what?" That sums it up really. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 12:07]
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If only there were a vaccine for stupidity! | |
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| Next firebreak on 17:41 - Dec 2 with 1230 views | angryjack |
| Next firebreak on 10:40 - Dec 2 by exhmrc1 |
What is known is that the figures dropped from April to early August. During that time non essential retail was reopened as were things like Hairdressers and tourist attraction yet the cases continued to drop. They remained low when pubs opened outdoors. Within 2 weeks of pubs opening indoors the rise started and has continued since up until the end of October. This was added to by people returning from holidays abroad and that allied to the opening of pubs indoors has led to the increase. At its lowest point there were 8 cases in a day. Neath Port Talbot didn't have a single case for 8 days. On 1 September when schools reopened it had gone up from 8 to 51 in 3 weeks and by the time university students came here on 21 September it has risen to 234 in a further 3 weeks and has risen since at similar rates.
This rise isnt due to schools returning or universities opening. It hasnt helped the situation but the process had already started. |
Its not what is known its what they telling us | | | |
| Next firebreak on 18:06 - Dec 2 with 1222 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 11:51 - Dec 2 by onehunglow |
And we are talking Police being involved too,knowing that that cannot be trusted |
On the subject of the Police and the courts, they have let my family down again today. Assault, breaking restraining orders and drugs. A fine which he can't pay , so will have to extort money from somewhere
I appreciate that there are mostly;y good mentioned coppers and that you are on of them, but it's a waste of time contacting them | | | |
| Next firebreak on 18:08 - Dec 2 with 1221 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 17:41 - Dec 2 by angryjack |
Its not what is known its what they telling us |
So you dont trust any authority to tell the truth. Why would Public Health Wales staff lie. Why would the Lighthouse labs give false figures. What would anyone gain out of distorting the figures. Sometimes decent people have to be trusted. I trust these people are honest. You clearly want to be like Donald Trump and cast doubt with no evidence. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 19:57 - Dec 2 with 1204 views | Andy1300 |
| Next firebreak on 12:11 - Dec 2 by Catullus |
If only there were a vaccine for stupidity! |
Health professional on radio and a GP on to this afternoon both said that it’s not guaranteed to stop you getting the virus, most won’t need it. |  |
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| Next firebreak on 20:29 - Dec 2 with 1187 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 19:57 - Dec 2 by Andy1300 |
Health professional on radio and a GP on to this afternoon both said that it’s not guaranteed to stop you getting the virus, most won’t need it. |
Every vaccine has people who dont take it whether it has been MMR, Flu etc. They are looking at a take up of 70% hopefully higher. Most will need it to keep them safe. Some at lower ages may not take it. My mate has died today 47. People are dying with it and not just with 3 months to live as you falsely claim. Many have underlying conditions and live for years with them. Things like Asthma and Diabetes many have. My mother lived 45 years after being diagnosed with Diabetes. Underlying condition is meaningless. Gary Mabbutt played years for Spurs at the top level with it. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 20:49 - Dec 2 with 1183 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 19:57 - Dec 2 by Andy1300 |
Health professional on radio and a GP on to this afternoon both said that it’s not guaranteed to stop you getting the virus, most won’t need it. |
No vaccine in the world is guaranteed to stop you getting the infection it was intended to.
Everyone needs it. If not to stop them getting it then to stop them getting as ill as they would have been and to hopefully reduce transmission. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 21:02 - Dec 2 with 1168 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Next firebreak on 19:57 - Dec 2 by Andy1300 |
Health professional on radio and a GP on to this afternoon both said that it’s not guaranteed to stop you getting the virus, most won’t need it. |
No but every heath professional agrees if you have been vaccinated you are far less likely to get it, by 90 % in this case. If you have been vaccinated and catch it your symptoms will be far less severe. | |
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| Next firebreak on 21:37 - Dec 2 with 1157 views | majorraglan |
Lots of good points made in this thread - and some not so good.
I have close family working in the health service who are rocking up to work every day, putting themselves at risk to help people with Covid19 , some of whom will die. It really annoys me when I see all these selfish people who cant adhere to some simple rules designed to keep them and others safe.
I can’t say I am a fan of these large scale lock downs, but I can see why Drakers is using them because people simply cant be trusted to follow the rules designed to keep others safe. I’d like to have seen more localised lockdowns which were rigorously enforced, for example if Merthyr was in lockdown, every road in and out would be controlled by checkpoint. Breaches inside the area would be subject of fine and jail for persistent offenders, if you run a pub and open in breach of the rules you get a warning, next time your out of business end of sports. I appreciate its draconian, but an approach like that would allow people in areas where the rules have been respected such as Pembrokeshire, Ceredigion, Conwy, etc to live relatively normal life, businesses including restaurants, pubs etc could open as long as they stick by the rules. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 23:22 - Dec 2 with 1135 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 21:37 - Dec 2 by majorraglan |
Lots of good points made in this thread - and some not so good.
I have close family working in the health service who are rocking up to work every day, putting themselves at risk to help people with Covid19 , some of whom will die. It really annoys me when I see all these selfish people who cant adhere to some simple rules designed to keep them and others safe.
I can’t say I am a fan of these large scale lock downs, but I can see why Drakers is using them because people simply cant be trusted to follow the rules designed to keep others safe. I’d like to have seen more localised lockdowns which were rigorously enforced, for example if Merthyr was in lockdown, every road in and out would be controlled by checkpoint. Breaches inside the area would be subject of fine and jail for persistent offenders, if you run a pub and open in breach of the rules you get a warning, next time your out of business end of sports. I appreciate its draconian, but an approach like that would allow people in areas where the rules have been respected such as Pembrokeshire, Ceredigion, Conwy, etc to live relatively normal life, businesses including restaurants, pubs etc could open as long as they stick by the rules. |
It's shocking the amount of ppl with covid who don't self isolate.
Drakeford has no option but to take a sledgehammer to crack a nut, while there are still stupid people around | | | |
| Next firebreak on 15:40 - Dec 7 with 1020 views | Scotia |
I think it's more to do with the lack of restrictions leaving the firebreak. Crazy. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 15:42 - Dec 7 with 1016 views | Whiterockin |
| Next firebreak on 15:40 - Dec 7 by Scotia |
I think it's more to do with the lack of restrictions leaving the firebreak. Crazy. |
I would say with hindsight 2 weeks was not enough. |  | | |
| Next firebreak on 19:46 - Dec 7 with 966 views | Catullus |
| Next firebreak on 15:42 - Dec 7 by Whiterockin |
I would say with hindsight 2 weeks was not enough. |
Should have been a month at least. | |
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| Next firebreak on 20:49 - Dec 7 with 951 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 19:46 - Dec 7 by Catullus |
Should have been a month at least. |
I'd say similar to Northern Ireland, 4 weeks of tough restrictions and 2 weeks of lock down if needed. | | | |
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