| Rhys Williams 18:33 - Jul 19 with 4544 views | KeithHaynes |
Liverpool defender Rhys Williams has joined Blackpool on a season-long loan deal.
The 21-year old centre back wanted to be sure about his move as it is important he gains regular competitive football after a difficult loan spell at Swansea City last season.
Blackpool manager Michael Appleton has convinced the 6ft 5ins defender to join the Seasiders as he looks to push for promotion |  |
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| Rhys Williams on 23:46 - Jul 21 with 914 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Rhys Williams on 23:10 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
“Playing” for PSV. He had 3 minutes game time in January.
He was gettable. |
You are mind reading again. This time the PSV management team. They may have already decided not to sell him in January or considered selling him only if a replacement was found. He played 11 games that season including in Europe.
Piroe was on Swansea' s radar for sure. After Goykeres was sent back no doubt s discussions were had. It was not the right time. People do not want to move in January. |  |
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| Rhys Williams on 00:10 - Jul 22 with 885 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 23:46 - Jul 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You are mind reading again. This time the PSV management team. They may have already decided not to sell him in January or considered selling him only if a replacement was found. He played 11 games that season including in Europe.
Piroe was on Swansea' s radar for sure. After Goykeres was sent back no doubt s discussions were had. It was not the right time. People do not want to move in January. |
Do you have to be told it’s not mind reading and we have people that know the Piroe family again? Or do you think you can just remember it going forward?
Swansea were talking to PSV for a long time and certainly were in January. We didn’t make it happen.
As I said, no wonder Cooper was frustrated. |  |
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| Rhys Williams on 01:01 - Jul 22 with 872 views | KeithHaynes |
| Rhys Williams on 00:10 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
Do you have to be told it’s not mind reading and we have people that know the Piroe family again? Or do you think you can just remember it going forward?
Swansea were talking to PSV for a long time and certainly were in January. We didn’t make it happen.
As I said, no wonder Cooper was frustrated. |
Many things contributed to his frustration, he knew what he could do. The club didn’t have faith in him based on his two years at Swansea. Despite two play offs, which is astonishing. Then as we know he went head to head with Winter, only one winner there. The Piroe family ? Correct. But now it’s in the open, ok. Cooper was singing Piroe’s praises for months.
Obafemi was another he liked, sadly the injury the day before his transfer put paid to that.
The Americans panicked and went for the two connected players, one was a great move but he got injured. The other was seriously bad business. Not unlike Martin last season Cooper knew who and what he wanted. The club didn’t give it to him and when he left after trying to sway the minds of the hierarchy he was a focussed and injured man. Now he is a premier league manager with the other coach ( Tate ) who for me didn’t fit the RM mould. And was carefully ousted. Anyone who remembers the Brendan Rodgers picture with Tatey ( at Leicester ) on his way back from Nottingham the same day can draw their own conclusions.
Brendan advised him well.
However, we now have what we have, it’s a 50/50 this coming season based on the decisions made by the club with Cooper. He didn’t become bigger than the club, he just knew what he could achieve, Swansea didn’t see it, so he went and did it elsewhere.
For me, if Martin achieves anything it will be controversial, at times mismanaged, and on other occasions bloody amazing.
We need twenty three wins and possibly eight draws from forty six games to come close to promotion. Add a win and a draw for automatics. It’s not beyond Martin’s capability, but then neither is relegation. It’s where we are, hindsight is wonderful, Cooper had foresight, nobody wanted to believe him.
And that’s the story of the last year.
For me, anyway.
If I don’t get 25 up arrows I’m closing the site 😉
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| Rhys Williams on 01:23 - Jul 22 with 848 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 01:01 - Jul 22 by KeithHaynes |
Many things contributed to his frustration, he knew what he could do. The club didn’t have faith in him based on his two years at Swansea. Despite two play offs, which is astonishing. Then as we know he went head to head with Winter, only one winner there. The Piroe family ? Correct. But now it’s in the open, ok. Cooper was singing Piroe’s praises for months.
Obafemi was another he liked, sadly the injury the day before his transfer put paid to that.
The Americans panicked and went for the two connected players, one was a great move but he got injured. The other was seriously bad business. Not unlike Martin last season Cooper knew who and what he wanted. The club didn’t give it to him and when he left after trying to sway the minds of the hierarchy he was a focussed and injured man. Now he is a premier league manager with the other coach ( Tate ) who for me didn’t fit the RM mould. And was carefully ousted. Anyone who remembers the Brendan Rodgers picture with Tatey ( at Leicester ) on his way back from Nottingham the same day can draw their own conclusions.
Brendan advised him well.
However, we now have what we have, it’s a 50/50 this coming season based on the decisions made by the club with Cooper. He didn’t become bigger than the club, he just knew what he could achieve, Swansea didn’t see it, so he went and did it elsewhere.
For me, if Martin achieves anything it will be controversial, at times mismanaged, and on other occasions bloody amazing.
We need twenty three wins and possibly eight draws from forty six games to come close to promotion. Add a win and a draw for automatics. It’s not beyond Martin’s capability, but then neither is relegation. It’s where we are, hindsight is wonderful, Cooper had foresight, nobody wanted to believe him.
And that’s the story of the last year.
For me, anyway.
If I don’t get 25 up arrows I’m closing the site 😉
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Indeed that’s pretty much exactly what happened in January. Good post.
As you say, Cooper had been banging the Piroe drum for months. At one point the guy scored like 45 goals in 25 PSV reserve/youth games. Ludicrous goalscoring record which saw Juve come looking and almost get him for £1.5m.
The mismanagement of our management team was awful under Cooper. Many saw what we had, many saw what we were achieving on such a little workable transfer budget and many saw what we could achieve with just some kind of sensible January window.
Our biggest signing in the pre season could have been Cooper himself, what he has done in his three years of management (same as Martin) is truly remarkable. Yet we swapped him up for someone who is simply not good enough in any capacity to be manager of this club. He is tactically naive, lacks knowledge of his own tactics let alone other teams, hides behind possession and continually avoids responsibility by his tried and tested mantra “judge us in the future, not now”.
We are a play off quality side, make no mistake. Piroe, Allen, Grimes, Pato, Obafemi, Cabango, Naughton, Darling, Ntcham - it’s a very, very good side. It’s very frustrating for people to lower their expectations based on the managers poor management as opposed to the quality of our side. Because that is exactly what’s happening at the moment.
But I agree with pretty much all of what you have said there… except you have a slightly higher opinion of Martin than myself  [Post edited 22 Jul 2022 1:25]
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| Rhys Williams on 01:28 - Jul 22 with 834 views | KeithHaynes |
| Rhys Williams on 01:23 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
Indeed that’s pretty much exactly what happened in January. Good post.
As you say, Cooper had been banging the Piroe drum for months. At one point the guy scored like 45 goals in 25 PSV reserve/youth games. Ludicrous goalscoring record which saw Juve come looking and almost get him for £1.5m.
The mismanagement of our management team was awful under Cooper. Many saw what we had, many saw what we were achieving on such a little workable transfer budget and many saw what we could achieve with just some kind of sensible January window.
Our biggest signing in the pre season could have been Cooper himself, what he has done in his three years of management (same as Martin) is truly remarkable. Yet we swapped him up for someone who is simply not good enough in any capacity to be manager of this club. He is tactically naive, lacks knowledge of his own tactics let alone other teams, hides behind possession and continually avoids responsibility by his tried and tested mantra “judge us in the future, not now”.
We are a play off quality side, make no mistake. Piroe, Allen, Grimes, Pato, Obafemi, Cabango, Naughton, Darling, Ntcham - it’s a very, very good side. It’s very frustrating for people to lower their expectations based on the managers poor management as opposed to the quality of our side. Because that is exactly what’s happening at the moment.
But I agree with pretty much all of what you have said there… except you have a slightly higher opinion of Martin than myself [Post edited 22 Jul 2022 1:25]
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I do try my best at times.
Even when it’s 32c at night on the NL diet of water and vegan food.
Cooper was the biggest mistake the club have made, make no mistake.
But the last time I looked over my shoulder the grim reaper was there. And he looked like Peter Nicholas.
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| Rhys Williams on 12:53 - Jul 22 with 731 views | vetchonian |
| Rhys Williams on 01:01 - Jul 22 by KeithHaynes |
Many things contributed to his frustration, he knew what he could do. The club didn’t have faith in him based on his two years at Swansea. Despite two play offs, which is astonishing. Then as we know he went head to head with Winter, only one winner there. The Piroe family ? Correct. But now it’s in the open, ok. Cooper was singing Piroe’s praises for months.
Obafemi was another he liked, sadly the injury the day before his transfer put paid to that.
The Americans panicked and went for the two connected players, one was a great move but he got injured. The other was seriously bad business. Not unlike Martin last season Cooper knew who and what he wanted. The club didn’t give it to him and when he left after trying to sway the minds of the hierarchy he was a focussed and injured man. Now he is a premier league manager with the other coach ( Tate ) who for me didn’t fit the RM mould. And was carefully ousted. Anyone who remembers the Brendan Rodgers picture with Tatey ( at Leicester ) on his way back from Nottingham the same day can draw their own conclusions.
Brendan advised him well.
However, we now have what we have, it’s a 50/50 this coming season based on the decisions made by the club with Cooper. He didn’t become bigger than the club, he just knew what he could achieve, Swansea didn’t see it, so he went and did it elsewhere.
For me, if Martin achieves anything it will be controversial, at times mismanaged, and on other occasions bloody amazing.
We need twenty three wins and possibly eight draws from forty six games to come close to promotion. Add a win and a draw for automatics. It’s not beyond Martin’s capability, but then neither is relegation. It’s where we are, hindsight is wonderful, Cooper had foresight, nobody wanted to believe him.
And that’s the story of the last year.
For me, anyway.
If I don’t get 25 up arrows I’m closing the site 😉
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Not sure how to up arrow if I could I would put 25 but i doubt thats allowed
Interesting that Martin should ditch Tatey who would resally understand thre DNA of £the Swansea Way" having been here since Brian Flynn brought him in he played under Flynn, Jackett, Martinez, Sousa, Brendan, fell out with Laudrup but was around for the shaping years..Yet Martin selects O'Leary for his team whilst a through and through Jack O Leary was around much post Martinez and returned to the fold as part of Garry Monks coaching set , you know Garry the manager most beleivebegan the dismantling of the Swansea Way.....strange that |  |
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| Rhys Williams on 14:22 - Jul 22 with 709 views | AndyCole |
| Rhys Williams on 01:01 - Jul 22 by KeithHaynes |
Many things contributed to his frustration, he knew what he could do. The club didn’t have faith in him based on his two years at Swansea. Despite two play offs, which is astonishing. Then as we know he went head to head with Winter, only one winner there. The Piroe family ? Correct. But now it’s in the open, ok. Cooper was singing Piroe’s praises for months.
Obafemi was another he liked, sadly the injury the day before his transfer put paid to that.
The Americans panicked and went for the two connected players, one was a great move but he got injured. The other was seriously bad business. Not unlike Martin last season Cooper knew who and what he wanted. The club didn’t give it to him and when he left after trying to sway the minds of the hierarchy he was a focussed and injured man. Now he is a premier league manager with the other coach ( Tate ) who for me didn’t fit the RM mould. And was carefully ousted. Anyone who remembers the Brendan Rodgers picture with Tatey ( at Leicester ) on his way back from Nottingham the same day can draw their own conclusions.
Brendan advised him well.
However, we now have what we have, it’s a 50/50 this coming season based on the decisions made by the club with Cooper. He didn’t become bigger than the club, he just knew what he could achieve, Swansea didn’t see it, so he went and did it elsewhere.
For me, if Martin achieves anything it will be controversial, at times mismanaged, and on other occasions bloody amazing.
We need twenty three wins and possibly eight draws from forty six games to come close to promotion. Add a win and a draw for automatics. It’s not beyond Martin’s capability, but then neither is relegation. It’s where we are, hindsight is wonderful, Cooper had foresight, nobody wanted to believe him.
And that’s the story of the last year.
For me, anyway.
If I don’t get 25 up arrows I’m closing the site 😉
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Post of the year.
That'll confuse a few sheeple, if not the entire flock.
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| Rhys Williams on 14:26 - Jul 22 with 710 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 14:22 - Jul 22 by AndyCole |
Post of the year.
That'll confuse a few sheeple, if not the entire flock.
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But “it wasn’t true” and it was just “mind reading”… apparently.  | |
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| Rhys Williams on 14:32 - Jul 22 with 705 views | AndyCole |
| Rhys Williams on 14:26 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
But “it wasn’t true” and it was just “mind reading”… apparently. |
Posted this elsewhere - but it sounded so good I thought I'd post it twice......
Dr_P - Not only the best poster across all Swans forums but also the most itk. Fair play.
That'll upset the gang, here, next door and the tw*tterati wannabes.
And to think the less bright sheeple tried to get him banned, and some still do to this day. Shame on you. Denying us all the rich vein of insight and top itk intel.
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| Pro free speech and alternative opinions -
Anti gang-bullying and poor modding thereof -
Will always make a stand against those who consistently choose to turn a blind eye |
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| Rhys Williams on 14:39 - Jul 22 with 704 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 14:32 - Jul 22 by AndyCole |
Posted this elsewhere - but it sounded so good I thought I'd post it twice......
Dr_P - Not only the best poster across all Swans forums but also the most itk. Fair play.
That'll upset the gang, here, next door and the tw*tterati wannabes.
And to think the less bright sheeple tried to get him banned, and some still do to this day. Shame on you. Denying us all the rich vein of insight and top itk intel.
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Thanks AC.
I think people are now starting to see that gang for what they are and the nonsense behind the narrative they pushed last year.
Their narrative is on life support and they feel it. Lots of failsafes being put into place where we now can’t judge after a year.. it’s got to be another 10 games apparently. Where have I heard that before?
I saw on another thread Martin is now the 30th longest current serving manager in the football league. It would be hilarious is he comes out and his narrative is the same again next year regarding not being able to judge him.
Never been so disappointed by a Swansea manager in all my years supporting Swansea, and I was here for Kevin Cullis and Micky Adams. At least they had the grace to walk away quickly after realising it isn’t working. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 15:29 - Jul 22 with 685 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Rhys Williams on 14:39 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
Thanks AC.
I think people are now starting to see that gang for what they are and the nonsense behind the narrative they pushed last year.
Their narrative is on life support and they feel it. Lots of failsafes being put into place where we now can’t judge after a year.. it’s got to be another 10 games apparently. Where have I heard that before?
I saw on another thread Martin is now the 30th longest current serving manager in the football league. It would be hilarious is he comes out and his narrative is the same again next year regarding not being able to judge him.
Never been so disappointed by a Swansea manager in all my years supporting Swansea, and I was here for Kevin Cullis and Micky Adams. At least they had the grace to walk away quickly after realising it isn’t working. |
You assume wrongly that Martin cannot adapt. There is no doubt that he was twice audited by Cooper v Nottingham Forest It is a dynamic situation not one fixed in stone. I hope Martin and his tam have watched those games again and analysed why they were opened up so easily and punished.
Cardiff city will be doing the same to establish why they went down 7-0 in the two derbies.
Martin has a long playing experience and now two full seasons in control. He has been a mid table manger. He has to do better than this and the analyst posters have already identified tactical changes which were clearly appropriate.
Everyone accepts possession stats are not the target. The best team in the Premier league have the best possession stats and concede the least goals. Swansea conceded too many goals and aper to have beefed hup the defence and brought in an experience defensive midfielder. I expect Joe Allen to give the manager feed back s you would expect from a senior pro at the highest level and make further adaptations throughout the season.
The team is now stronger and should be better conditioned and prepared. Last seasons reasoning is still valid but Martin will have to show Winter and the US owner progression. This is his remit. Progression without massive expenditure. If there is no progression Martin will be moved on. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 16:07 - Jul 22 with 667 views | onehunglow |
| Rhys Williams on 15:29 - Jul 22 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You assume wrongly that Martin cannot adapt. There is no doubt that he was twice audited by Cooper v Nottingham Forest It is a dynamic situation not one fixed in stone. I hope Martin and his tam have watched those games again and analysed why they were opened up so easily and punished.
Cardiff city will be doing the same to establish why they went down 7-0 in the two derbies.
Martin has a long playing experience and now two full seasons in control. He has been a mid table manger. He has to do better than this and the analyst posters have already identified tactical changes which were clearly appropriate.
Everyone accepts possession stats are not the target. The best team in the Premier league have the best possession stats and concede the least goals. Swansea conceded too many goals and aper to have beefed hup the defence and brought in an experience defensive midfielder. I expect Joe Allen to give the manager feed back s you would expect from a senior pro at the highest level and make further adaptations throughout the season.
The team is now stronger and should be better conditioned and prepared. Last seasons reasoning is still valid but Martin will have to show Winter and the US owner progression. This is his remit. Progression without massive expenditure. If there is no progression Martin will be moved on. |
Stronger and more conditioned.
How do you work that out then
How about some evidence | |
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| Rhys Williams on 17:25 - Jul 22 with 637 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Rhys Williams on 16:07 - Jul 22 by onehunglow |
Stronger and more conditioned.
How do you work that out then
How about some evidence |
Swansea have not started playing competitively yet so evidence is thin on the ground. Darling and Wood are big strong young fellows and Manning who is not is not featuring in the defence so often. Cabango is a year older and stronger and Naughton is a year older and probably weaker. Allen is a midfield workhorse.
Martin has had a full pre season to work with the players not that substandard effort last season with a bloke who wanted out. If he is true to his word the teams should be stronger than last season.
Martin did not sulk at losing Downes and just on on with it. His status is high enough that he will not get pushed around by the club senior management. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 20:33 - Jul 22 with 589 views | onehunglow |
| Rhys Williams on 17:25 - Jul 22 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea have not started playing competitively yet so evidence is thin on the ground. Darling and Wood are big strong young fellows and Manning who is not is not featuring in the defence so often. Cabango is a year older and stronger and Naughton is a year older and probably weaker. Allen is a midfield workhorse.
Martin has had a full pre season to work with the players not that substandard effort last season with a bloke who wanted out. If he is true to his word the teams should be stronger than last season.
Martin did not sulk at losing Downes and just on on with it. His status is high enough that he will not get pushed around by the club senior management. |
A decent reply,fair play.
Im hoping for a good season. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 21:57 - Jul 22 with 570 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 15:29 - Jul 22 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You assume wrongly that Martin cannot adapt. There is no doubt that he was twice audited by Cooper v Nottingham Forest It is a dynamic situation not one fixed in stone. I hope Martin and his tam have watched those games again and analysed why they were opened up so easily and punished.
Cardiff city will be doing the same to establish why they went down 7-0 in the two derbies.
Martin has a long playing experience and now two full seasons in control. He has been a mid table manger. He has to do better than this and the analyst posters have already identified tactical changes which were clearly appropriate.
Everyone accepts possession stats are not the target. The best team in the Premier league have the best possession stats and concede the least goals. Swansea conceded too many goals and aper to have beefed hup the defence and brought in an experience defensive midfielder. I expect Joe Allen to give the manager feed back s you would expect from a senior pro at the highest level and make further adaptations throughout the season.
The team is now stronger and should be better conditioned and prepared. Last seasons reasoning is still valid but Martin will have to show Winter and the US owner progression. This is his remit. Progression without massive expenditure. If there is no progression Martin will be moved on. |
Where have I assumed he cannot adapt?
I’m sure he can, but don’t think he will. | |
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