| Rhys Williams 18:33 - Jul 19 with 4529 views | KeithHaynes |
Liverpool defender Rhys Williams has joined Blackpool on a season-long loan deal.
The 21-year old centre back wanted to be sure about his move as it is important he gains regular competitive football after a difficult loan spell at Swansea City last season.
Blackpool manager Michael Appleton has convinced the 6ft 5ins defender to join the Seasiders as he looks to push for promotion |  |
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| Rhys Williams on 12:44 - Jul 21 with 730 views | magicdaps10 |
| Rhys Williams on 12:24 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yep it was. Martin has taken us from a club that finished 4th to one that is 15th.
It’s mediocrity, hence people said give him 10 games, then 20 games, then half a season, then a full season, then 4 windows etc etc
This latest one seems to be 60 games.
So my question was based on that mediocrity. Who else has been given 60 games of such declining performances?
Certainly not Fergie who took his side from bottom but one to eleventh… anyone else? |
It hasn't been declining performances!
Our 2nd half of the season was improved with points and goal than it was the first half..... Improvements playing the same teams we did in the first half compared to the second half of the season.
No question improvements in defence is the next step, we have signed 2 centre halves with a right hand sided player now very much the next piece of the jigsaw ready for next season.
I must stress that after the play off final loss to Brentford many fans and supporters were fearing a relegation battle or possible relegation especially with the amount of players and quality we were losing from the squad.
We can all say we expect to be top 2 but reality is far from that expectancy as it would be with people who think we will be play off material with what we have has a squad.... Hopefully we are Suprised but we need to work from reality here and not drip feed an expectancy that is unrealistic just to use a stick to vash Martin with.
Its funny how people are knocking Martin when they are having a go at fans knocking Cooper.... A lot of stuff is played up and also down to suit each ones agenda.
I think people need to realise that last summer was the end of our parachute payment so alot was going to change, I think a manager walking out from 12 months remaining of a contract highlights that last season was going to be far different to the one before it both financially and quality wise when it came to the squad.
This stupidity needs to stop, we have had a decent ore season this far for a change and we should be looking forward to walking back into that stadium for a new season, I am coming on here and just reading pure poison even before the season as kicked off. |  |
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| Rhys Williams on 12:51 - Jul 21 with 702 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 12:44 - Jul 21 by magicdaps10 |
It hasn't been declining performances!
Our 2nd half of the season was improved with points and goal than it was the first half..... Improvements playing the same teams we did in the first half compared to the second half of the season.
No question improvements in defence is the next step, we have signed 2 centre halves with a right hand sided player now very much the next piece of the jigsaw ready for next season.
I must stress that after the play off final loss to Brentford many fans and supporters were fearing a relegation battle or possible relegation especially with the amount of players and quality we were losing from the squad.
We can all say we expect to be top 2 but reality is far from that expectancy as it would be with people who think we will be play off material with what we have has a squad.... Hopefully we are Suprised but we need to work from reality here and not drip feed an expectancy that is unrealistic just to use a stick to vash Martin with.
Its funny how people are knocking Martin when they are having a go at fans knocking Cooper.... A lot of stuff is played up and also down to suit each ones agenda.
I think people need to realise that last summer was the end of our parachute payment so alot was going to change, I think a manager walking out from 12 months remaining of a contract highlights that last season was going to be far different to the one before it both financially and quality wise when it came to the squad.
This stupidity needs to stop, we have had a decent ore season this far for a change and we should be looking forward to walking back into that stadium for a new season, I am coming on here and just reading pure poison even before the season as kicked off. |
Yep it is declining.
We haven’t won any of our last 6 games, we are very much in a decline. 4th to 15th is also a decline. What you are saying is we had less decline in the first half of the season than the second half, unfortunately that’s still a decline.
Nobody was fearing a relegation battle, only those intentionally setting the bar low in order to excuse future failure. We were 8th or 9th favourites for the title from memory, which was probably about right.
Piroe, Downes, Obafemi, Cabango, Pato, Grimes, Ntcham, Naughton… it’s an embarrassment of riches at this level.
You can continue to falsely dry and downplay expectations if you like due to your lack of confidence in the managers ability, but this is a play off side and anything less will be extreme failure. Again. |  |
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| Rhys Williams on 13:13 - Jul 21 with 692 views | BillyChong |
| Rhys Williams on 19:39 - Jul 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
To go with Goykers worth £20m and Surridge PL footballer no one seemed to like, neither cut the mustard at Swansea. |
Coventry have priced Gyokeres at £8m. He’s worth nowhere near £20m. |  | | |
| Rhys Williams on 13:15 - Jul 21 with 689 views | vetchonian |
| Rhys Williams on 12:44 - Jul 21 by magicdaps10 |
It hasn't been declining performances!
Our 2nd half of the season was improved with points and goal than it was the first half..... Improvements playing the same teams we did in the first half compared to the second half of the season.
No question improvements in defence is the next step, we have signed 2 centre halves with a right hand sided player now very much the next piece of the jigsaw ready for next season.
I must stress that after the play off final loss to Brentford many fans and supporters were fearing a relegation battle or possible relegation especially with the amount of players and quality we were losing from the squad.
We can all say we expect to be top 2 but reality is far from that expectancy as it would be with people who think we will be play off material with what we have has a squad.... Hopefully we are Suprised but we need to work from reality here and not drip feed an expectancy that is unrealistic just to use a stick to vash Martin with.
Its funny how people are knocking Martin when they are having a go at fans knocking Cooper.... A lot of stuff is played up and also down to suit each ones agenda.
I think people need to realise that last summer was the end of our parachute payment so alot was going to change, I think a manager walking out from 12 months remaining of a contract highlights that last season was going to be far different to the one before it both financially and quality wise when it came to the squad.
This stupidity needs to stop, we have had a decent ore season this far for a change and we should be looking forward to walking back into that stadium for a new season, I am coming on here and just reading pure poison even before the season as kicked off. |
Interesting post
whilst we lost the parachute paymentds we had the highest net spend on transfers for quite a while.
We have lost players and quality each season, at the start ot Potters tenure we lost,
Rangel <Leon,Fabianski,KiSun Yeng,Alfie Mwson, Fernandez , Jordi Amat amongst others....still managd to finish a dissapointing 10th
We lost two of the key emerging stars at the end of Potter regin in Dan James and McBurnie who had provided most of our goals.
Yet manageged a sixth place finish with a roookie manager...there was further upheaval with Rodon leaving Van de Howe....yet we managed a 4th place finish...
Yes its ironic isnt it some us criticise Martin and sis most of last season using the quality of football and poor results as the reason whilst it was ik for otheres to criticse Cooper despite successive top 6 finishes.
The defense of MArtin and the "nonsense" spouted in his defence provokes most of my posting.
The "poison " you talk of is far less than the personal poison that was posted about Cooper
Not once have I seen points agaunst Martin including comments regarding his looks parentage or place of birth. My comments have been based on the results, what I have witnessed on the field of play and research into his past...where at hois previous club the interviews he would give had the same words as those used here, process, dominated being frequently used words...the psots on the MKDons forum were mixed and there existed lots of unhappiness with their style of play and anti Martin commentslong before he jumped ship.
There is a lot of stupiity I agree and that comes from both sides of the arguemment.
I am looking forward to the seasons start I hope Msrtin has learnt that the possesion stats alone do not a succesful football side make. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 13:27 - Jul 21 with 671 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 13:15 - Jul 21 by vetchonian |
Interesting post
whilst we lost the parachute paymentds we had the highest net spend on transfers for quite a while.
We have lost players and quality each season, at the start ot Potters tenure we lost,
Rangel <Leon,Fabianski,KiSun Yeng,Alfie Mwson, Fernandez , Jordi Amat amongst others....still managd to finish a dissapointing 10th
We lost two of the key emerging stars at the end of Potter regin in Dan James and McBurnie who had provided most of our goals.
Yet manageged a sixth place finish with a roookie manager...there was further upheaval with Rodon leaving Van de Howe....yet we managed a 4th place finish...
Yes its ironic isnt it some us criticise Martin and sis most of last season using the quality of football and poor results as the reason whilst it was ik for otheres to criticse Cooper despite successive top 6 finishes.
The defense of MArtin and the "nonsense" spouted in his defence provokes most of my posting.
The "poison " you talk of is far less than the personal poison that was posted about Cooper
Not once have I seen points agaunst Martin including comments regarding his looks parentage or place of birth. My comments have been based on the results, what I have witnessed on the field of play and research into his past...where at hois previous club the interviews he would give had the same words as those used here, process, dominated being frequently used words...the psots on the MKDons forum were mixed and there existed lots of unhappiness with their style of play and anti Martin commentslong before he jumped ship.
There is a lot of stupiity I agree and that comes from both sides of the arguemment.
I am looking forward to the seasons start I hope Msrtin has learnt that the possesion stats alone do not a succesful football side make. |
Spot on.
We essentially lost the parachute payments last season too, £8m was the only outstanding payment for year 3. It essentially kept the lights on with a severe lack of commercial revenue and gate receipts.
What we had in parachute payments last year we have replaced this year with income now available as the revenue streams are open again post Covid.
Obviously I mean this season just gone when I say “this”. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 13:44 - Jul 21 with 663 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Rhys Williams on 13:27 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Spot on.
We essentially lost the parachute payments last season too, £8m was the only outstanding payment for year 3. It essentially kept the lights on with a severe lack of commercial revenue and gate receipts.
What we had in parachute payments last year we have replaced this year with income now available as the revenue streams are open again post Covid.
Obviously I mean this season just gone when I say “this”. |
No forum posters like to talk about the £13m convertible loan note from the US owners Silverstein and probably the so "called sell outs". In the "sell out Swansea. com" stadium with "sellout Travel House" shorts advertising.
They will no doubt be Trust loyalists who contributed a square root of diddly squat. ("the only ones protecting the club").
What about sponsoring the left sock to drum up membership?
Diverting another thread.? No we are talking about the loss of parachutes and a whopping £13m cash injection fans seem to have forgotten about. Oops how careless. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 13:47]
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| Rhys Williams on 13:49 - Jul 21 with 649 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 13:44 - Jul 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
No forum posters like to talk about the £13m convertible loan note from the US owners Silverstein and probably the so "called sell outs". In the "sell out Swansea. com" stadium with "sellout Travel House" shorts advertising.
They will no doubt be Trust loyalists who contributed a square root of diddly squat. ("the only ones protecting the club").
What about sponsoring the left sock to drum up membership?
Diverting another thread.? No we are talking about the loss of parachutes and a whopping £13m cash injection fans seem to have forgotten about. Oops how careless. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 13:47]
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I don’t disagree.
Martin has has it very rosy since arriving that’s for sure. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 13:56 - Jul 21 with 651 views | magicdaps10 |
| Rhys Williams on 13:49 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t disagree.
Martin has has it very rosy since arriving that’s for sure. |
Which begs the question, was he really on his way out before Xmas!?
Thankfully there are people in the club who know more about these things and realised getting away from expensive loans was like building a house with no foundations.
We couldn't carry on like the way we were and it didn't go down well with one individual.
People get the situation and understand the situation others want success without understanding the situation at hand and kid themselves into thinking something that it really isn't!
Vetch is a bit naive, DrP and AC just have and agenda and OHL is just away with the fairies that's for sure. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 13:58 - Jul 21 with 649 views | vetchonian |
| Rhys Williams on 13:44 - Jul 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
No forum posters like to talk about the £13m convertible loan note from the US owners Silverstein and probably the so "called sell outs". In the "sell out Swansea. com" stadium with "sellout Travel House" shorts advertising.
They will no doubt be Trust loyalists who contributed a square root of diddly squat. ("the only ones protecting the club").
What about sponsoring the left sock to drum up membership?
Diverting another thread.? No we are talking about the loss of parachutes and a whopping £13m cash injection fans seem to have forgotten about. Oops how careless. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 13:47]
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Yes we are lucky the majority shareholders have leant the club this money enableing our manager to have some quaklity tools to work with
Perhaps if thsi had happened in January 2021 instead of finding us two MLS players recovering from injury we may have got promoted and they could be enjoying the spoils that being in the PL brings.... | |
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| Rhys Williams on 14:03 - Jul 21 with 638 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 13:56 - Jul 21 by magicdaps10 |
Which begs the question, was he really on his way out before Xmas!?
Thankfully there are people in the club who know more about these things and realised getting away from expensive loans was like building a house with no foundations.
We couldn't carry on like the way we were and it didn't go down well with one individual.
People get the situation and understand the situation others want success without understanding the situation at hand and kid themselves into thinking something that it really isn't!
Vetch is a bit naive, DrP and AC just have and agenda and OHL is just away with the fairies that's for sure. |
What do you mean was he on his way out?
You mean was there very serious discussions about his immediate future? Yes there was.
What do you mean by “expensive loans”? Who do you class as an “expensive loan”? There seems to be a myth surrounding that.
Loans were cheap hence why it was better to bring in loans than look at the rubbish in the free transfer bin. Cooper didn’t have the luxury of spending £5m on three players in Piroe, Downes and Obafemi. He tried very hard in his last season and was given some American off season loans.
Some people understand the above, some don’t. Some like Daps have an agenda because they don’t want to admit they got it spectacularly wrong and will happily see the club sink that admit it.
Such is life. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 14:18 - Jul 21 with 631 views | magicdaps10 |
| Rhys Williams on 14:03 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
What do you mean was he on his way out?
You mean was there very serious discussions about his immediate future? Yes there was.
What do you mean by “expensive loans”? Who do you class as an “expensive loan”? There seems to be a myth surrounding that.
Loans were cheap hence why it was better to bring in loans than look at the rubbish in the free transfer bin. Cooper didn’t have the luxury of spending £5m on three players in Piroe, Downes and Obafemi. He tried very hard in his last season and was given some American off season loans.
Some people understand the above, some don’t. Some like Daps have an agenda because they don’t want to admit they got it spectacularly wrong and will happily see the club sink that admit it.
Such is life. |
You realise that every loan cost us a fee except for Brewster don't you?
Hourihane is a prime example, rumoured to have cost around 200k with a weekly wage that was far beyond what we should have paid..... The strikers that Cooper wanted in that January window was never going to happen, he agreed on Obefami early on but then injury struck, got to a point that action needed to be taken as we desperately needed a forward and the board stepped in due to Coopers negativity towards the strikers being mentioned, he hoped he would get what he eanted(financially never going to happen).
We carried on loaning players in, we were reducing our assets and it was too big a gamble, the only saviour being promotion to the Premier league and as i say, too much of a gamble in relation to the stability of the club.
You are right, I don't want to see the club sink, sink financially..... I haven't forgotten those days and I understand the reality behind it. I know football and I realise it can change quickly and a new season is upon us and I am happy going into it, we have had our transition and we need to move forward..... Some will think a big jump yo the play offs but I am happy to finish in and around 10/12th, that would be a step in right direction.
Notice that our odds for this season vary between 7th and 12th so an average of 9th or 10th seems to be about right with my thinking. I think Martin needs to aim towards that and hopefully suprise a few of us and do a bit better. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 14:30 - Jul 21 with 616 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 14:18 - Jul 21 by magicdaps10 |
You realise that every loan cost us a fee except for Brewster don't you?
Hourihane is a prime example, rumoured to have cost around 200k with a weekly wage that was far beyond what we should have paid..... The strikers that Cooper wanted in that January window was never going to happen, he agreed on Obefami early on but then injury struck, got to a point that action needed to be taken as we desperately needed a forward and the board stepped in due to Coopers negativity towards the strikers being mentioned, he hoped he would get what he eanted(financially never going to happen).
We carried on loaning players in, we were reducing our assets and it was too big a gamble, the only saviour being promotion to the Premier league and as i say, too much of a gamble in relation to the stability of the club.
You are right, I don't want to see the club sink, sink financially..... I haven't forgotten those days and I understand the reality behind it. I know football and I realise it can change quickly and a new season is upon us and I am happy going into it, we have had our transition and we need to move forward..... Some will think a big jump yo the play offs but I am happy to finish in and around 10/12th, that would be a step in right direction.
Notice that our odds for this season vary between 7th and 12th so an average of 9th or 10th seems to be about right with my thinking. I think Martin needs to aim towards that and hopefully suprise a few of us and do a bit better. |
Some did, some didn’t.
But you said “expensive loans”, you were very specific with that word. Hourihane was indeed our most expensive loan as the owners wanted to give promotion a shot without the expense of a permanent signing.
Piroe and Obafemi were very attainable in January. Yet he was given a handful of rubbish.
If you understood the reality behind it then you would understand with such investment into the squad, we need to see returns. It isn’t done to just tread water or slightly improve from mediocre to slightly less mediocre.
You don’t work out an average by looking at the highest and lowest and splitting them. It’s not the first time your lack of statistical awareness has let you down. You add the positions and divide them by how many offered it.
From a quick look, it appears the average will be around 8th. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 14:33 - Jul 21 with 623 views | vetchonian |
| Rhys Williams on 14:18 - Jul 21 by magicdaps10 |
You realise that every loan cost us a fee except for Brewster don't you?
Hourihane is a prime example, rumoured to have cost around 200k with a weekly wage that was far beyond what we should have paid..... The strikers that Cooper wanted in that January window was never going to happen, he agreed on Obefami early on but then injury struck, got to a point that action needed to be taken as we desperately needed a forward and the board stepped in due to Coopers negativity towards the strikers being mentioned, he hoped he would get what he eanted(financially never going to happen).
We carried on loaning players in, we were reducing our assets and it was too big a gamble, the only saviour being promotion to the Premier league and as i say, too much of a gamble in relation to the stability of the club.
You are right, I don't want to see the club sink, sink financially..... I haven't forgotten those days and I understand the reality behind it. I know football and I realise it can change quickly and a new season is upon us and I am happy going into it, we have had our transition and we need to move forward..... Some will think a big jump yo the play offs but I am happy to finish in and around 10/12th, that would be a step in right direction.
Notice that our odds for this season vary between 7th and 12th so an average of 9th or 10th seems to be about right with my thinking. I think Martin needs to aim towards that and hopefully suprise a few of us and do a bit better. |
Its Mr Naive here
YOu seem to have a lot of info....is this based on first hand knowledge or hearsay through a third party?
I certainly inderstand the situation.....yes Iwant success if you cant see that last seasons squad failed to schieve its potential ...I certainly understand the financial implications.
What surprises me is that you are somehow trying to pin the loan situation on Cooper...I keep saying this the CEO is the one who would be sanctioning fiancail decision along with getting these rubber stamped by the Americans...the Americans saw the loan situation as a "cheaper gamble" to permenant accquisisiotns as a means to promotion.
No naiveity but resalisom....a loan deal means no long term contract if it didnt work they go back a tseasons end.....
YOu know nothing about me or my background or my areas of expertise yet you decide to insult....
None of us who were around to see the previous financial cirses and I was around for the time we were effectively wound up in 1985.
We were lucky to recover then even more so post Petty if the same were to happen again we would not survive as we did on those two occasions as the playing field has changed since then.
Maybe had the club gambled on Coopers choice of striker they could be enjoying the fruits the PL offers....or is that just me being naive | |
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| Rhys Williams on 14:47 - Jul 21 with 609 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 14:33 - Jul 21 by vetchonian |
Its Mr Naive here
YOu seem to have a lot of info....is this based on first hand knowledge or hearsay through a third party?
I certainly inderstand the situation.....yes Iwant success if you cant see that last seasons squad failed to schieve its potential ...I certainly understand the financial implications.
What surprises me is that you are somehow trying to pin the loan situation on Cooper...I keep saying this the CEO is the one who would be sanctioning fiancail decision along with getting these rubber stamped by the Americans...the Americans saw the loan situation as a "cheaper gamble" to permenant accquisisiotns as a means to promotion.
No naiveity but resalisom....a loan deal means no long term contract if it didnt work they go back a tseasons end.....
YOu know nothing about me or my background or my areas of expertise yet you decide to insult....
None of us who were around to see the previous financial cirses and I was around for the time we were effectively wound up in 1985.
We were lucky to recover then even more so post Petty if the same were to happen again we would not survive as we did on those two occasions as the playing field has changed since then.
Maybe had the club gambled on Coopers choice of striker they could be enjoying the fruits the PL offers....or is that just me being naive |
Bravo.
The loan situation was simply his only realistic choice. We have continued to loan this season of course… Laird, Williams, Burns, Christie and Wolf.
Except Martin has had the luxury of multi million pound signings on top.
I wonder if Cooper had the choice of Piroe in January or loan deals for Morris and Arriola plus some free transfers he didn’t need like Hamer and Freeman… I wonder what he would have chosen.
Doesn’t take a genius does it. No wonder he walked. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 15:23 - Jul 21 with 607 views | magicdaps10 |
| Rhys Williams on 14:33 - Jul 21 by vetchonian |
Its Mr Naive here
YOu seem to have a lot of info....is this based on first hand knowledge or hearsay through a third party?
I certainly inderstand the situation.....yes Iwant success if you cant see that last seasons squad failed to schieve its potential ...I certainly understand the financial implications.
What surprises me is that you are somehow trying to pin the loan situation on Cooper...I keep saying this the CEO is the one who would be sanctioning fiancail decision along with getting these rubber stamped by the Americans...the Americans saw the loan situation as a "cheaper gamble" to permenant accquisisiotns as a means to promotion.
No naiveity but resalisom....a loan deal means no long term contract if it didnt work they go back a tseasons end.....
YOu know nothing about me or my background or my areas of expertise yet you decide to insult....
None of us who were around to see the previous financial cirses and I was around for the time we were effectively wound up in 1985.
We were lucky to recover then even more so post Petty if the same were to happen again we would not survive as we did on those two occasions as the playing field has changed since then.
Maybe had the club gambled on Coopers choice of striker they could be enjoying the fruits the PL offers....or is that just me being naive |
Definetly 100% naive if we hadn't have got promoted with the figutmres that would have been needed to bring a striker in that Cooper wanted.
Sorry if I offended but you don't cone across great on things, I understand a lot of that you post is done with a real anger towards Martin and I can only assume that clouds you from seeing the reality as it dies with quite a few posters.
We all want success for our club but there comes a time in life when you see the reality of things alot clearer and understand that supporters see a lot of things of their own club through rose tinted glasses....i feel you fall into that category rather than others who pist with an agenda.
I post with no real agenda and apologise for any offence you feel I have aimed towards you, its not intentional just saying it how I see it.
I believe you want to see Martin succeed and Swansea do well......I don't think you have an agenda just a real passion to succeed and feel a bit hurt how things are at present but unfortunately it's a situation we need to understand in the greater scheme if things, we keep patience and understanding and I am sure will see things get better.......but is it really that bad compared to 85 and 2002?
I think not. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 15:26 - Jul 21 with 598 views | magicdaps10 |
| Rhys Williams on 14:47 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Bravo.
The loan situation was simply his only realistic choice. We have continued to loan this season of course… Laird, Williams, Burns, Christie and Wolf.
Except Martin has had the luxury of multi million pound signings on top.
I wonder if Cooper had the choice of Piroe in January or loan deals for Morris and Arriola plus some free transfers he didn’t need like Hamer and Freeman… I wonder what he would have chosen.
Doesn’t take a genius does it. No wonder he walked. |
So he did walk then!?
Hallelujah!! Nice of you to eventually admit it. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 15:29 - Jul 21 with 586 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 15:26 - Jul 21 by magicdaps10 |
So he did walk then!?
Hallelujah!! Nice of you to eventually admit it. |
Where have I not admitted it? What do you mean “admit”?
I have always said he left, when the likes of you were adamant he was pushed. I said he left because of the January debacle and the handling of the interest from Fulham and Palace.
Where have I said otherwise?
Keep up daps. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 15:31 - Jul 21 with 585 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 15:23 - Jul 21 by magicdaps10 |
Definetly 100% naive if we hadn't have got promoted with the figutmres that would have been needed to bring a striker in that Cooper wanted.
Sorry if I offended but you don't cone across great on things, I understand a lot of that you post is done with a real anger towards Martin and I can only assume that clouds you from seeing the reality as it dies with quite a few posters.
We all want success for our club but there comes a time in life when you see the reality of things alot clearer and understand that supporters see a lot of things of their own club through rose tinted glasses....i feel you fall into that category rather than others who pist with an agenda.
I post with no real agenda and apologise for any offence you feel I have aimed towards you, its not intentional just saying it how I see it.
I believe you want to see Martin succeed and Swansea do well......I don't think you have an agenda just a real passion to succeed and feel a bit hurt how things are at present but unfortunately it's a situation we need to understand in the greater scheme if things, we keep patience and understanding and I am sure will see things get better.......but is it really that bad compared to 85 and 2002?
I think not. |
You don’t judge a season based on how bad it was before.
If that’s the case why were you moaning so much when we were 4th? What about 1985 and 2002 then?
Consistency daps, consistency. Remember. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 16:53 - Jul 21 with 542 views | vetchonian |
| Rhys Williams on 15:23 - Jul 21 by magicdaps10 |
Definetly 100% naive if we hadn't have got promoted with the figutmres that would have been needed to bring a striker in that Cooper wanted.
Sorry if I offended but you don't cone across great on things, I understand a lot of that you post is done with a real anger towards Martin and I can only assume that clouds you from seeing the reality as it dies with quite a few posters.
We all want success for our club but there comes a time in life when you see the reality of things alot clearer and understand that supporters see a lot of things of their own club through rose tinted glasses....i feel you fall into that category rather than others who pist with an agenda.
I post with no real agenda and apologise for any offence you feel I have aimed towards you, its not intentional just saying it how I see it.
I believe you want to see Martin succeed and Swansea do well......I don't think you have an agenda just a real passion to succeed and feel a bit hurt how things are at present but unfortunately it's a situation we need to understand in the greater scheme if things, we keep patience and understanding and I am sure will see things get better.......but is it really that bad compared to 85 and 2002?
I think not. |
Im not naive to think that with the right striker we could have got promotion...then again I dont have access to the detail you seem to have...
I have no anger towards Martin I have fruestration and even more frustration that it seems many fans have bought into his rubbish.
Look at the eveidence his past CV is nothing spectacular....our football was dire fmostly last season there were a few highlights and the historic double clouoded even more the fialings.
All Martin has ever succeeded in doing is topping the possesion table....he always talks how we dominated games despite us loisng....he said the same at MKDons.
I have no anger just frustration and the same goes for certain fans who are looking through rose tinted specs,,,,you included.
I do want MArtin to succeed as then the Swans will ...and all this commpariosn to 1985 and 2002 ys its better but the whole playing field has changed since then When we fell from the old Div 1 we were broke after being at the top table for 2 seasons but with average gates of 9000 on a good day we had no trsining facilities of our own and zero infra structure.
We spent 7 yearsin the Prem playing to capacity crowds ...we established two state of the art training facilities have a good acadmy and a core of quality players. Unlike the 80s we didnt go into freefall and look we had two seasons where we came close to getting back to the PL.
For me I still cant get iver how so many keep saying the football was so much better last season....yes we had high possesion stats but mostly the ball was played inside our own half...rarely ataken forwards at speed...and desoite us often "dominating " the game with as much as 3 times the possession of the opposition we still managed to lose the games..often by more than 2 goals.
As the season went on it dint improve look at the results post Cardiff we won the next two then struggled with draws twicew surrendering 3 goal leads and failed to besat QPRs youth team..
What I saw last season was a squad of real quality ...when was the last time we had as much quality as Downes, Natchm, Paterson,Obafemi Piroe,Naughtin, Grimes,add to that Wolf yet the manager strguuled to get the best from them.
I fully understand the finacial implications in the club.....also I recognised in Potters days why certain players were nit selected due to contractual issues...I understand how it is player s wages are made upso Im sorry Im not that naive.
I fear without success the Americans will ditch us....and unlike in 2002 it wont be so easy to pick up the pieces.... | |
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| Rhys Williams on 19:02 - Jul 21 with 509 views | onehunglow |
| Rhys Williams on 12:51 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yep it is declining.
We haven’t won any of our last 6 games, we are very much in a decline. 4th to 15th is also a decline. What you are saying is we had less decline in the first half of the season than the second half, unfortunately that’s still a decline.
Nobody was fearing a relegation battle, only those intentionally setting the bar low in order to excuse future failure. We were 8th or 9th favourites for the title from memory, which was probably about right.
Piroe, Downes, Obafemi, Cabango, Pato, Grimes, Ntcham, Naughton… it’s an embarrassment of riches at this level.
You can continue to falsely dry and downplay expectations if you like due to your lack of confidence in the managers ability, but this is a play off side and anything less will be extreme failure. Again. |
Serious post,as they say. Is this one massive wind up to keep the hate post bubbling under .
We are seeing no discussion at all .
There is a clear group of around six posters whose only mission is to dis others that disagree with them.
Martinez,Rodger’s,Sousa,even Toshack did not have this fantastic support Martin has on line.
For sure, it does not represent many fans.
Even the polls show dissent to various degrees.
Hope I’m wrong but we could be heading for the rapids in a leaky dingy | |
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| Rhys Williams on 19:13 - Jul 21 with 501 views | raynor94 |
| Rhys Williams on 19:02 - Jul 21 by onehunglow |
Serious post,as they say. Is this one massive wind up to keep the hate post bubbling under .
We are seeing no discussion at all .
There is a clear group of around six posters whose only mission is to dis others that disagree with them.
Martinez,Rodger’s,Sousa,even Toshack did not have this fantastic support Martin has on line.
For sure, it does not represent many fans.
Even the polls show dissent to various degrees.
Hope I’m wrong but we could be heading for the rapids in a leaky dingy |
Hope I'm wrong, how disingenuous of you, its your favourite get out of jail card. |  |
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| Rhys Williams on 20:15 - Jul 21 with 468 views | onehunglow |
| Rhys Williams on 19:13 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
Hope I'm wrong, how disingenuous of you, its your favourite get out of jail card. |
Yes ,hope I’m wrong.
Don’t get influenced by them Ray.
October you say. You will be the first ….no you won’t.
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| Rhys Williams on 23:01 - Jul 21 with 439 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Rhys Williams on 14:30 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Some did, some didn’t.
But you said “expensive loans”, you were very specific with that word. Hourihane was indeed our most expensive loan as the owners wanted to give promotion a shot without the expense of a permanent signing.
Piroe and Obafemi were very attainable in January. Yet he was given a handful of rubbish.
If you understood the reality behind it then you would understand with such investment into the squad, we need to see returns. It isn’t done to just tread water or slightly improve from mediocre to slightly less mediocre.
You don’t work out an average by looking at the highest and lowest and splitting them. It’s not the first time your lack of statistical awareness has let you down. You add the positions and divide them by how many offered it.
From a quick look, it appears the average will be around 8th. |
Piroe was playing for PSV. If they could have got him they would have after Cooper sent back Goykeres and he did not play Peterson. They wanted Davis but he too was not available at the time. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 23:08 - Jul 21 with 431 views | KeithHaynes |
| Rhys Williams on 23:01 - Jul 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Piroe was playing for PSV. If they could have got him they would have after Cooper sent back Goykeres and he did not play Peterson. They wanted Davis but he too was not available at the time. |
Piroe was an incredible signing.
It’s hiw he deals with a dry spell which will be the making of him. | |
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| Rhys Williams on 23:10 - Jul 21 with 415 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Rhys Williams on 23:01 - Jul 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Piroe was playing for PSV. If they could have got him they would have after Cooper sent back Goykeres and he did not play Peterson. They wanted Davis but he too was not available at the time. |
“Playing” for PSV. He had 3 minutes game time in January.
He was gettable. | |
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