| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects 06:37 - May 16 with 13887 views | RonaldStump |
What is the real source of truth for the latest rise in cases in Glasgow?
6 people who have had the vaccine are currently being treated for complications in Glasgow.
What is the REAL truth?
Isn't it strange how vaccinated people are coming down with the CHY NA virus (Kung Flu) or one of it's variant double or triple mutant versions?
It's either the jab doesn't do what it's supposed to or it actually does?
With no long term studies on this new medicine miracle, but plenty coming out about the effects it's having on the immune system.
Why is there a need for healthy people to get jabbed when they have a 99.7% chance of surviving anyway. (more to the point why are we jabbing our kids?)
Far more questions than answers at the moment
cue Anti vaxxer abuse from the usual crowd! [Post edited 16 May 2021 6:57]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 08:06 - May 18 with 1272 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 08:01 - May 18 by Scotia |
I did introduce his take on oil because it is absurd. You referred to him as being a credible source regarding Fauci and Covid. He seems to be anything but. You believe him, and notable others, because you want to.
Then you come out with this :-
"As to whether Hydrocarbons are Organic, then possibly coal, but even that is not certain."
Any evidence, whatsoever, that coal isn't organic? I don't know if you live in south Wales but we couldn't be in a better place to establish that fact. |
All foil fuels are organic. This must be the silliest argument I have ever seen on a thread. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:29 - May 18 with 1223 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 08:06 - May 18 by felixstowe_jack |
All foil fuels are organic. This must be the silliest argument I have ever seen on a thread. |
Of course they are. Hence the name. You can see fossilised wood in coal pretty
frequently. There is perhaps some oil from inorganic sources but that is certainly not from rocks which are not hydrocarbon based. No point in having studied chemistry or biochemistry as it’s a all online. Always correct of course. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:32 - May 18 with 1219 views | onehunglow |
I'm not really dumb so I tend to stay away from subject on which I can't compete.Science is one. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:39 - May 18 with 1207 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Enjoying the are fossil fuels organic ? discussion.
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 10:12 - May 18 with 1193 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 08:06 - May 18 by felixstowe_jack |
All foil fuels are organic. This must be the silliest argument I have ever seen on a thread. |
Why don't you read about adiabatic oil before joining in? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 10:45 - May 18 with 1177 views | controversial_jack |
If a fuel contains carbon then it's organic, that's why hydrocarbons are organic | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:15 - May 18 with 1161 views | Gwyn737 |
Do you reckon his letter was peer reviewed by Van Morrison? | | | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:36 - May 18 with 1155 views | RonaldStump |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:15 - May 18 by Gwyn737 |
Do you reckon his letter was peer reviewed by Van Morrison? |
I Just find it odd that even people who have had the vaccine are not able to escape the "Anti Vaccine" tag if they talk about something that the pro vax brigade don't like.
Very strange world we currently reside in | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:43 - May 18 with 1148 views | Gwyn737 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:36 - May 18 by RonaldStump |
I Just find it odd that even people who have had the vaccine are not able to escape the "Anti Vaccine" tag if they talk about something that the pro vax brigade don't like.
Very strange world we currently reside in |
I don't think it's that. More an understanding that some will suffer side effects from the vaccine. It's inevitable.
We don't ban penicillin because some are allergic to it. We don't not have operations due the undoubted risks of anaesthetia.
We crack on as the risk is outweighed by the positive. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:43 - May 18 with 1124 views | onehunglow |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:15 - May 18 by Gwyn737 |
Do you reckon his letter was peer reviewed by Van Morrison? |
Van is anti everything and the most ungratefull,sullen clown in music. It's beaten me as to how people still pay to ee him narl at all those who pay good money to see him.
He was good as lead singer in Them and Astral Weekes was a stand out album but everything since has been the same turgid drivel. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:48 - May 18 with 1124 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 10:45 - May 18 by controversial_jack |
If a fuel contains carbon then it's organic, that's why hydrocarbons are organic |
Then how did it got in Comets, in Asteroids in Gas Giants and the Titan Moon.
What organics do they have?
"Carbon is the 15th most abundant element in the Earth's crust, and the fourth most abundant element in the universe by mass after hydrogen, helium, and oxygen." [Post edited 18 May 2021 12:50]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:01 - May 18 with 1084 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:48 - May 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
Then how did it got in Comets, in Asteroids in Gas Giants and the Titan Moon.
What organics do they have?
"Carbon is the 15th most abundant element in the Earth's crust, and the fourth most abundant element in the universe by mass after hydrogen, helium, and oxygen." [Post edited 18 May 2021 12:50]
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Firstly you owe contro an apology-The study of hydrocarbons is organic chemistry-regardless of source.
Secondly
Adibiatic oil is regarded as pseudoscience by most chemists and geologists. It is primarily a hypothesis driven from the Soviet Union. The evidence of any abiotic source of hydrocarbons on Earth is limited to methane produced in some lab reactions and found naturally in a few environments such as on maple layers of the crust in the sea. Evidence of hydrocarbons in space is really limited to life short chain gases like methane and propane. There is no evidence of abiotic oil or other long-chain hydrocarbons.
Oddly it's been seized on by those promoting oil and gas (I wonder why)
So that would be a hatrick of pseudoscience now with climate change denial and anti-vaccination rhetoric in the first half.
Keep it up. The amusement is killing me. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:26 - May 18 with 1046 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:01 - May 18 by Professor |
Firstly you owe contro an apology-The study of hydrocarbons is organic chemistry-regardless of source.
Secondly
Adibiatic oil is regarded as pseudoscience by most chemists and geologists. It is primarily a hypothesis driven from the Soviet Union. The evidence of any abiotic source of hydrocarbons on Earth is limited to methane produced in some lab reactions and found naturally in a few environments such as on maple layers of the crust in the sea. Evidence of hydrocarbons in space is really limited to life short chain gases like methane and propane. There is no evidence of abiotic oil or other long-chain hydrocarbons.
Oddly it's been seized on by those promoting oil and gas (I wonder why)
So that would be a hatrick of pseudoscience now with climate change denial and anti-vaccination rhetoric in the first half.
Keep it up. The amusement is killing me. |
I owe contro nothing, the word organic for the chemistry comes from before Science new there were other sources of Hydrocarbons, so they need to catch up with their naming.
Although Abiogenic theory goes back to the 16th century.
So, now you are calling NASA Scientists liars and accusing them of doing psuedoscience, they are the ones saying that Hydrocarbons are all over the solar system not me.
That includes Abiotic/Abiogenic (not adiabatic) Oil, go and argue with the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm.
You again seem to have forgotten that you are arguing with the wrong person.
I am presenting their "facts" not mine.
So stop calling me names and go and take it up with them. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:35 - May 18 with 1033 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:26 - May 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
I owe contro nothing, the word organic for the chemistry comes from before Science new there were other sources of Hydrocarbons, so they need to catch up with their naming.
Although Abiogenic theory goes back to the 16th century.
So, now you are calling NASA Scientists liars and accusing them of doing psuedoscience, they are the ones saying that Hydrocarbons are all over the solar system not me.
That includes Abiotic/Abiogenic (not adiabatic) Oil, go and argue with the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm.
You again seem to have forgotten that you are arguing with the wrong person.
I am presenting their "facts" not mine.
So stop calling me names and go and take it up with them. |
Yes there is research into it. But there is no evidence of anything longer than 2-3 carbon chain in space or earth. And you are wrong about Organic Chemistry. Again.
There is one decent paper on this. That is why it’s an area of research. It could lead to approaches to synthesise longer hydrocarbons. But you have fallen for the pseudoscience or that promoted by vested interest. You honestly think there is an inexhaustible source of oil?
Look at real sources. Again. You do a Google search not one based on a scientific search tool.
You should apologise for your patronising and erroneous response to CJ. He was right. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:07 - May 18 with 1024 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:01 - May 18 by Professor |
Firstly you owe contro an apology-The study of hydrocarbons is organic chemistry-regardless of source.
Secondly
Adibiatic oil is regarded as pseudoscience by most chemists and geologists. It is primarily a hypothesis driven from the Soviet Union. The evidence of any abiotic source of hydrocarbons on Earth is limited to methane produced in some lab reactions and found naturally in a few environments such as on maple layers of the crust in the sea. Evidence of hydrocarbons in space is really limited to life short chain gases like methane and propane. There is no evidence of abiotic oil or other long-chain hydrocarbons.
Oddly it's been seized on by those promoting oil and gas (I wonder why)
So that would be a hatrick of pseudoscience now with climate change denial and anti-vaccination rhetoric in the first half.
Keep it up. The amusement is killing me. |
Re "So that would be a hatrick of pseudoscience now with climate change denial "
For a Scientist & a Professor you appear to have a real problem in the understanding of the Scientific Method.
1. it does not involve "concencus".
2. Even if it did, there is no concensus or settled science on Climate Change or to be precise CAGW. There are literally thousands of Scientists that disagree with it.
3. There are no "Climate Change" deniers, the climate always has and always will change all the time that there is an atmosphere.
4. Skepticism is an essential part of the Scientific Method, not blind acceptance.
5. You also seem to have forgotten what Paradigm shifts are.
6. You are quick to accuse medical professionals of lying and cheating yet do not appear to use the same rigour and sketicism for climate scientists. Even though their rewards for doing so are generally far higher.
7. You believe the output of IPCC Computer Models over observational science.
8. You are accepting of bad medical papers, but do not apply the same to Climate ones.
9. Like medicine you only believe those climate scientists that you agree with and are not prepared to even read the information presented by others, even if they very respected scientists.
10. You appear to believe that there is enough fossil fuels to bring about a doubling of CO2, even though any affect that CO2 has is Logorithmic.
11. You accept supposedly "scientific values" that in fact were conjured up out of thin air, like the 2.0C reduced to 1.5C increase in global Temperature from the start of the industrial revolution will be "taking us in to oblivion".
Despite all of that you, like your sidekick are happy to come on this forum and pontifiacte as if what you are saying is the gospel truth and set in stone.
Unfortunately it is only the gospel according to the UN/IPCC and climate industry funded so called scientists. [Post edited 18 May 2021 19:23]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:56 - May 18 with 1004 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:07 - May 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
Re "So that would be a hatrick of pseudoscience now with climate change denial "
For a Scientist & a Professor you appear to have a real problem in the understanding of the Scientific Method.
1. it does not involve "concencus".
2. Even if it did, there is no concensus or settled science on Climate Change or to be precise CAGW. There are literally thousands of Scientists that disagree with it.
3. There are no "Climate Change" deniers, the climate always has and always will change all the time that there is an atmosphere.
4. Skepticism is an essential part of the Scientific Method, not blind acceptance.
5. You also seem to have forgotten what Paradigm shifts are.
6. You are quick to accuse medical professionals of lying and cheating yet do not appear to use the same rigour and sketicism for climate scientists. Even though their rewards for doing so are generally far higher.
7. You believe the output of IPCC Computer Models over observational science.
8. You are accepting of bad medical papers, but do not apply the same to Climate ones.
9. Like medicine you only believe those climate scientists that you agree with and are not prepared to even read the information presented by others, even if they very respected scientists.
10. You appear to believe that there is enough fossil fuels to bring about a doubling of CO2, even though any affect that CO2 has is Logorithmic.
11. You accept supposedly "scientific values" that in fact were conjured up out of thin air, like the 2.0C reduced to 1.5C increase in global Temperature from the start of the industrial revolution will be "taking us in to oblivion".
Despite all of that you, like your sidekick are happy to come on this forum and pontifiacte as if what you are saying is the gospel truth and set in stone.
Unfortunately it is only the gospel according to the UN/IPCC and climate industry funded so called scientists. [Post edited 18 May 2021 19:23]
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Well since one works in environmental science and the other in infection biology we may have a god understanding. There is not a jot of paradigm shift. And yes I have studied Kuhn and know exactly what it is . What is it, 97% of active researchers in the field agree in man made climate change. Despite 100s of millions of USD pumped into denial . A bit overwhelming. Stronger than the support for vaccination. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:23 - May 18 with 996 views | BillyChong |
Welovetrump.com - surely wins the award for the worst reference ever in any discussion on this site | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:25 - May 18 with 995 views | onehunglow |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:36 - May 16 by Jack123 |
I am very hesitant to take it, I'm going to see how things pan out over the winter.
As far as I can see at the moment, the government are already back tracking on their promises to people, look at what drakeford did on Friday, wasn't able to ease some restrictions due to a few cases of the Indian variant.
They contradict themselves time and time again, why the rush to vaccinate the ones who we have been told since the start that it does not affect the young and healthy, I notice the msm always use words like 'may' when talking about transmission. |
Mate.
Be more hesitant about getting behind the wheel of a car. Anytime. There are hundreds of thousands of uninsured drivers out there. They could easily kill you or maim you .
Be careful when drinking in towns where some coke bead could take a blade to you .
Don’t ride a bike.
Don’t swim in the open sea ?jellyfish abound . A sting could sent you into shock and drown you.
Be careful over gas ,electrics .They kill too.
Don’t shower as you could fall through the shower screen
Best stay in bed but there again, Though you could have a heart attack .
All riskier than a vaccine
I’ve lost several chums who didn’t have the vaccine option.they were hoping for one.
Now we have one | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:06 - May 18 with 980 views | max936 |
My eldest lad had his Jab tonight at the Bay he's coming up to 28, he was glad to have it to, then again he's always been a good steady lad, amazes me as to why he hasn't had it through his job though, crazy. |  |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:31 - May 18 with 966 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:56 - May 18 by Professor |
Well since one works in environmental science and the other in infection biology we may have a god understanding. There is not a jot of paradigm shift. And yes I have studied Kuhn and know exactly what it is . What is it, 97% of active researchers in the field agree in man made climate change. Despite 100s of millions of USD pumped into denial . A bit overwhelming. Stronger than the support for vaccination. |
You have just proved my point.
I suggest you research the 97%, it is not what you think.
Look up the John Cook survey report that it comes from.
Educate yourself, it is exactly as I said you are happy to glibly quote absolute BS without bothering to do a single check, you just repeat the propaganda.
Google is your best friend and where climate is concerned Wiki is one of your worst as most of it was "doctored" by one William Connolley.
I liked th "God understanding" by the way, was it a spelling mistake or a freudian slip? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:36 - May 18 with 958 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:23 - May 18 by BillyChong |
Welovetrump.com - surely wins the award for the worst reference ever in any discussion on this site |
The reference is immaterial, the data is the only thing that is important, I could have quoted many other sources, but why should I.
If you disagree with the data it is up to you to prove it wrong. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:41 - May 18 with 949 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:56 - May 18 by Professor |
Well since one works in environmental science and the other in infection biology we may have a god understanding. There is not a jot of paradigm shift. And yes I have studied Kuhn and know exactly what it is . What is it, 97% of active researchers in the field agree in man made climate change. Despite 100s of millions of USD pumped into denial . A bit overwhelming. Stronger than the support for vaccination. |
By the way I missed one item off the list.
Any decent hypothesis can make predictions., it is the true test of it's validity.
Quote me a prediction made by the scientists and their activists that has come true and I will show about 10 times as many that haven't.
You can start with this old list.
https://climateilluminated.com/predictions/List_Failed_Predictions.html | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:52 - May 18 with 938 views | majorraglan |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:36 - May 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
The reference is immaterial, the data is the only thing that is important, I could have quoted many other sources, but why should I.
If you disagree with the data it is up to you to prove it wrong. |
As has been pointed out earlier in this thread there was no casual relationship, the CDC article said that but this web site are twisting things to suit their purpose.
Every death is a tragedy. Even if there were a relationship which the CDC say there isn’t after enquiries such as postmortems (I’d be more inclined to trust the CDC than we welovetrump.com) the stats are 4,000 dying after receiving the vaccine v vs 580,000 dying after having Covid. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 22:01 - May 18 with 936 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:31 - May 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
You have just proved my point.
I suggest you research the 97%, it is not what you think.
Look up the John Cook survey report that it comes from.
Educate yourself, it is exactly as I said you are happy to glibly quote absolute BS without bothering to do a single check, you just repeat the propaganda.
Google is your best friend and where climate is concerned Wiki is one of your worst as most of it was "doctored" by one William Connolley.
I liked th "God understanding" by the way, was it a spelling mistake or a freudian slip? |
I see NASA agree:
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/?_gl=1*8qiqik*_ga*akRGSWtSam1CTVUw
What drivel- they are untestable hypotheses as it stands. Have you ever formulated a hypothesis and tested it. Do you actually understand a fraction of what you write. You may talk the talk but you have never walked the walk have you? Published many papers or book chapters? Invites to speak at conferences. Work with industry and governments? I dabble in playing the guitar, but I am not so deluded to think I will headline Glastonbury or even a local club.
And source is important. You witter about data. But bad data leads to the wrong conclusions
I can’t recall ever seeing ‘welovetrump.com’ cited in any science. Because it is hokum.
BillyChong said it all.
OHL- happy for you to be special guest when I do Glaso next year. A bit of variety from my tortured garage and post punk misery. | | | |
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