| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? 10:13 - Aug 27 with 7781 views | trampie |
Without scouring record books, I just looked at 4 'smaller' teams that sprung to mind, so Swans did well but not absolutely brilliant.
Watford had 6 years in the top flight at one time and finished second in the league and reached the FA Cup final as well as numerous semi's and quarters in that timeframe.
Wigan had 8 years in the top flight in very recent times and won the FA Cup and made the final of the League Cup.
Bolton had 11 years in the top flight in recent times and made the League cup final.
Coventry went 34 years in the top flight and won the FA Cup. |  |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 18:25 - Aug 27 with 1222 views | Joe_bradshaw |
The gap between the top clubs and the rest has never been bigger which makes it more difficult to sustain success for small clubs than it ever has been.
The League Cup is sometimes ridiculed but let’s have a look at the last 14 winners to see how easy it is for a small club to win it:
Chelsea
Man U
Chelsea
Spurs
Man U
Man U
Birmingham City
Liverpool
Swansea City
Man C
Chelsea
Man C
Man U
Man C
It’s been a magnificent achievement to get 7 consecutive years in the top flight and win the League Cup for a club of our size. |  |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 18:25 - Aug 27 with 1220 views | dickythorpe |
Luton Town had a spell late 80's which looking back seems incredible. Back to back Wembley finals? Forget the plastic pitch.
From where we were in 2002/03 to where we got in 2011 was phenomenal. We were dead certs for the conference 16 years ago.
The PL is exciting I will give you that, but if you can't compete financially to get into top 6 then it's a struggle to avoid relegation for all even up until April.
Even then there's still 7-10 sides that mathematically could go down.
Sooner or later the big 4will no doubt be part of a bigger competition.
That Leicester fluke will never happen again., the big 4 will spend to make it not happen.....and that where teams like us had a shelf life of 7 seasons.
Already burnley, Bournemouth and Huddersfield are looking up against it. Cardiff may survive due to being an unknown quantity, but lack of spending and being Sussed out will inevitably see them return.
Watford and Brighton will be next to struggle in coming seasons.
Is it right that only Preston, Brentford and Rotherham in this year's championship haven't been in PL? [Post edited 27 Aug 2018 18:34]
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 18:28 - Aug 27 with 1210 views | Glyn1 |
It was a truly magnificent example of a small club punching above its weight. I don't care if there are other clubs who did as well or better - good luck to them but on our own terms we did fantastically well. 20 teams in the division, most of them bigger than us, 3 teams relegated each season and at least 6 teams who will never go down. We beat the odds, so people who shrug their shoulders and aren't impressed are plain wrong. It was a fantastic achievement and a golden age. |  |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 21:14 - Aug 27 with 1145 views | E20Jack |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 18:17 - Aug 27 by trampie |
When Clough started his first full season in charge of Forest they were embarking on their 37th season outside the top flight, they had had only 36 seasons in the top flight.
In that time they had finished bottom of the entire football league but there was no 3rd Division to be relegated to and when there was a third Division they had spent a few seasons in it.
Coming up to date Forest have spent 60 seasons out of the top Division including at least 1 season bottom of the entire football league and 5 seasons in the 3rd tier and only 56 seasons in the top Division, so most of Nott'm Forests history has been spent outside the top Division, that is why they are not a big club particularly prior to Clough. [Post edited 27 Aug 2018 18:22]
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Wrong.
Add them up again. |  |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 22:45 - Aug 27 with 1106 views | trampie |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 21:14 - Aug 27 by E20Jack |
Wrong.
Add them up again. |
My figures are correct, your figures are way out. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 22:47 - Aug 27 with 1100 views | trampie |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 14:16 - Aug 27 by E20Jack |
41 years prior to 1975 in the top tier of English football.
35 years outside the top tier - 33 of which were in the second tier.
Or there abouts [Post edited 27 Aug 2018 23:09]
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Football is played in seasons but anyway list Forests ''41 years prior to 1975 in the top tier of English football'' ? | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 22:58 - Aug 27 with 1082 views | E20Jack |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 22:45 - Aug 27 by trampie |
My figures are correct, your figures are way out. |
1974 2
1973 2
1972 1
1971 1
1970 1
1969 1
1968 1
1967 1
1966 1
1965 1
1964 1
1963 1
1962 1
1961 1
1960 1
1959 1
1958 1
1957 2
1956 2
1955 2
1954 2
1953 2
1952 2
1951 3S
1950 3S
1949 43
1948 2
1947 2
1946 2
1939 2
1938 2
1937 2
1936 2
1935 2
1934 2
1933 2
1932 2
1931 2
1930 2
1929 2
1928 2
1927 2
1926 2
1925 1
1924 1
1923 1
1922 2
1921 2
1920 2
1915 2
1914 2
1913 2
1912 2
1911 1
1910 1
1909 1
1908 1
1907 2
1906 1
1905 1
1904 1
1903 1
1902 1
1901 1
1900 1
1899 1
1898 1
1897 1
1896 1
1895 1
1894 1
1893 1
It has missing data from 1910-1915.
The point remains. They have spent the vast majority of their history in the top 2 tiers of English football, almost their entire history in fact. Also had spent 16 of the previous 18 years in the top flight prior to Clough taking over. [Post edited 27 Aug 2018 23:00]
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:01 - Aug 27 with 1078 views | trampie |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 22:58 - Aug 27 by E20Jack |
1974 2
1973 2
1972 1
1971 1
1970 1
1969 1
1968 1
1967 1
1966 1
1965 1
1964 1
1963 1
1962 1
1961 1
1960 1
1959 1
1958 1
1957 2
1956 2
1955 2
1954 2
1953 2
1952 2
1951 3S
1950 3S
1949 43
1948 2
1947 2
1946 2
1939 2
1938 2
1937 2
1936 2
1935 2
1934 2
1933 2
1932 2
1931 2
1930 2
1929 2
1928 2
1927 2
1926 2
1925 1
1924 1
1923 1
1922 2
1921 2
1920 2
1915 2
1914 2
1913 2
1912 2
1911 1
1910 1
1909 1
1908 1
1907 2
1906 1
1905 1
1904 1
1903 1
1902 1
1901 1
1900 1
1899 1
1898 1
1897 1
1896 1
1895 1
1894 1
1893 1
It has missing data from 1910-1915.
The point remains. They have spent the vast majority of their history in the top 2 tiers of English football, almost their entire history in fact. Also had spent 16 of the previous 18 years in the top flight prior to Clough taking over. [Post edited 27 Aug 2018 23:00]
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Yes you are wrong, that comes to 36 years in the top tier of football and not 41 years. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:05 - Aug 27 with 1066 views | E20Jack |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:01 - Aug 27 by trampie |
Yes you are wrong, that comes to 36 years in the top tier of football and not 41 years. |
seasons Trampie, football is played in seasons.
So 36 seasons in the top flight prior to 1974. incredible.
Big club, as I said. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:11 - Aug 27 with 1050 views | E20Jack |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:10 - Aug 27 by trampie |
There is no missing data for 1910-15, you have listed what divisions they were in, you have got it totally wrong, you cant count.  |
Not any more, I went back and filled it in.
As I said, big club. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:17 - Aug 27 with 1046 views | trampie |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:05 - Aug 27 by E20Jack |
seasons Trampie, football is played in seasons.
So 36 seasons in the top flight prior to 1974. incredible.
Big club, as I said. |
Forest have spent most of their history outside the top division. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:21 - Aug 27 with 1037 views | trampie |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:11 - Aug 27 by E20Jack |
Not any more, I went back and filled it in.
As I said, big club. |
It still comes to 36 you cant count. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:33 - Aug 27 with 1012 views | E20Jack |
If Harry Kane scored 36 in a season instead of 41, he would still be a massive player.
The point remains. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:38 - Aug 27 with 1010 views | trampie |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:33 - Aug 27 by E20Jack |
If Harry Kane scored 36 in a season instead of 41, he would still be a massive player.
The point remains. |
The point does remain and that is that you have been found out on a matter of fact by me, . | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:46 - Aug 27 with 990 views | E20Jack |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:38 - Aug 27 by trampie |
The point does remain and that is that you have been found out on a matter of fact by me, . |
We found out that Forest are a big club. Which was the whole point.
If you want to claim victory by stating they have been in the top flight 36 seasons instead of 41 then be my guest  | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:53 - Aug 27 with 988 views | Fireboy2 |
This is so funny and has kept me up
Cheers lads  |  | | |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 00:23 - Aug 28 with 978 views | LeonWasGod |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 11:14 - Aug 27 by E20Jack |
On what planet are we a bigger club than the likes of Middlesbrough, Crystal Palace and Wolves?
Our fans are utterly barking.
I have never seen a group of fans completely forget their clubs roots and be so detached from the realities of the club so quickly.
Scary. |
We’ve spent more consecutive seasons in the PL than Palace for a start. And been in Europe and won a major cup, unlike them. Our ground is only slightly smaller too. No resson why we should feel inferior to them.
Wolves are seen as a big club but you have to go back about 68 years since they did much.
You need to believe in us more!  |  | | |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 00:46 - Aug 28 with 968 views | LeonWasGod |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 00:26 - Aug 28 by E20Jack |
So are you suggesting we are a bigger club than both Crystal Palace and Wolves out of interest?
In Wolves' 119 year history. They have spent 63 seasons in the top tier and 113 seasons out in the top 2 tiers.
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I don’t really care. Just pointing out we’re not smaller than CP if you base size on achievements at the top level. Wolves will always be considered bigger because of their history and size of ground, but have done sod all for longer than most of us have been alive. Have they been bigger during most of the last decade? They certainly haven’t been as successful.
It depends on how a ‘big club’ is defined - money, honours, time at the top level, attendances? And where does time fit into it, as per the Wolves example. See also Preston - they’ve won more than us (but not since 1930s), does that make them a big club? And does it actually matter? | | | |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 01:01 - Aug 28 with 950 views | E20Jack |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 00:46 - Aug 28 by LeonWasGod |
I don’t really care. Just pointing out we’re not smaller than CP if you base size on achievements at the top level. Wolves will always be considered bigger because of their history and size of ground, but have done sod all for longer than most of us have been alive. Have they been bigger during most of the last decade? They certainly haven’t been as successful.
It depends on how a ‘big club’ is defined - money, honours, time at the top level, attendances? And where does time fit into it, as per the Wolves example. See also Preston - they’ve won more than us (but not since 1930s), does that make them a big club? And does it actually matter? |
Wigan have also spent longer continuously in the PL and won the FA Cup.
If you think we are bigger than Wolves, Palace, Forest etc etc then you are deluded, or just arguing for the sake of it.
Either one. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 05:44 - Aug 28 with 885 views | trampie |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 23:46 - Aug 27 by E20Jack |
We found out that Forest are a big club. Which was the whole point.
If you want to claim victory by stating they have been in the top flight 36 seasons instead of 41 then be my guest |
They have been outside the top division more than they have been inside the top division, but as you are unable to count you don't know this fact. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 06:12 - Aug 28 with 868 views | E20Jack |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 05:44 - Aug 28 by trampie |
They have been outside the top division more than they have been inside the top division, but as you are unable to count you don't know this fact. |
So have we. | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 07:41 - Aug 28 with 840 views | trampie |
16 of the previous 18, 113 seasons, 41 years - everything wrong E20, you can't count .
Multiple posts and your figures are wrong all the time, no wonder I take the bookies to the cleaners  .
Before you pass comment on achievements E20 you need to learn to count, one mistake ok but multiple mistakes, either you are not very bright or its deliberate - an agenda.
I've picked you up on lots of things over a period of time I suggest you up your game if you want to debate with trampie as you are being shown up as simple.  | |
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| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 07:46 - Aug 28 with 836 views | E20Jack |
| How great an achievement was Swans 7 years in the top flight ? on 07:41 - Aug 28 by trampie |
16 of the previous 18, 113 seasons, 41 years - everything wrong E20, you can't count .
Multiple posts and your figures are wrong all the time, no wonder I take the bookies to the cleaners .
Before you pass comment on achievements E20 you need to learn to count, one mistake ok but multiple mistakes, either you are not very bright or its deliberate - an agenda.
I've picked you up on lots of things over a period of time I suggest you up your game if you want to debate with trampie as you are being shown up as simple. |
No idea what you are talking about.
You just seem to have crumbled into a heap of smileys and meaningless trolling lines.
Surely you aren’t going to give up on your OP that easily are you? | |
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