| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar 16:40 - Mar 31 with 2842 views | runningman75 |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39453535
Given how much Brits contribute to the Spanish tourist industry and many Spaniards had to come to the UK as their economy is messed up this raises interesting issues. Maybe Maguluf and Benidorm need to become British principalities. [Post edited 31 Mar 2017 16:41]
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 16:46 - Mar 31 with 2821 views | stowmarketrange |
Is that the same Spain that rules over a little slice on North Africa? |  | | |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 17:27 - Mar 31 with 2738 views | MedwayR |
Gibraltar is more important to the UK than it is to Spain, if Spain vetoes any deal over Gibraltar they will have to justify to 26 other members why Gibraltar is more important than a (assumed) beneficial trade deal because I'm certain the UK would take no deal rather than compromise on Gibraltar. Spain won't veto anything over Gibraltar. |  |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 17:44 - Mar 31 with 2701 views | bob566 |
personally can't see Brits giving up their cheap package holidays in the honour of a few monkeys on a rock. | | | |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 17:52 - Mar 31 with 2676 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Who knows what anyone will do anymore.
This is the age of non pragmatic politics. |  | | |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 19:39 - Mar 31 with 2530 views | QPR_John |
Wonder how Nick Clegg et al will spin this | | | |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 21:43 - Mar 31 with 2429 views | derbyhoop |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 17:27 - Mar 31 by MedwayR |
Gibraltar is more important to the UK than it is to Spain, if Spain vetoes any deal over Gibraltar they will have to justify to 26 other members why Gibraltar is more important than a (assumed) beneficial trade deal because I'm certain the UK would take no deal rather than compromise on Gibraltar. Spain won't veto anything over Gibraltar. |
The Spanish probably shouldn't be able to veto any EU/UK deal over Gibraltar. But the fact that they are suggesting such a thing indicates how complex the Brexit negotiations can be. And, don't forget, Gibraltar is just a minor consideration compares with all the other things that need to be agreed. |  |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 10:13 - Apr 1 with 2174 views | E17hoop |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 21:43 - Mar 31 by derbyhoop |
The Spanish probably shouldn't be able to veto any EU/UK deal over Gibraltar. But the fact that they are suggesting such a thing indicates how complex the Brexit negotiations can be. And, don't forget, Gibraltar is just a minor consideration compares with all the other things that need to be agreed. |
Interesting analysis by Ian Dunt on this week's activity:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/03/31/week-in-review-a-cold-dose-of-reality |  |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 12:09 - Apr 1 with 2110 views | francisbowles |
The reality is that both sides have just stated their opening positions in a negotiation. That is what they would like in an ideal world, their aims and visions of utopia. It is going to be a long game and their will be movement by both parties.
If there isn't sufficient movement by our European partners then we will have the no deal scenario which nobody really wants but we need to be prepared for.
Don't imagine that this will be played by the rules either. As in most negotiations the real bargaining will be done outside the room in secret meetings. Anyone thinking that we and/ or some of the remaining EU nations, and other countries, will not be discussing items of mutual interest in unofficial bilateral talks, is living in 'cloud cuckoo land'. For us to not do this would leave us very exposed in a no deal situation.
This will undoubtedly go the full distance, any deal being struck at the eleventh hour on the last day. It is nigh on impossible to know how it will turn out but I would think that we have a slight edge in that we can walk away. | | | |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 14:18 - Apr 1 with 1999 views | Dorse |
Please, won't somebody think of the monkeys? |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 13:12 - Apr 3 with 1764 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 12:09 - Apr 1 by francisbowles |
The reality is that both sides have just stated their opening positions in a negotiation. That is what they would like in an ideal world, their aims and visions of utopia. It is going to be a long game and their will be movement by both parties.
If there isn't sufficient movement by our European partners then we will have the no deal scenario which nobody really wants but we need to be prepared for.
Don't imagine that this will be played by the rules either. As in most negotiations the real bargaining will be done outside the room in secret meetings. Anyone thinking that we and/ or some of the remaining EU nations, and other countries, will not be discussing items of mutual interest in unofficial bilateral talks, is living in 'cloud cuckoo land'. For us to not do this would leave us very exposed in a no deal situation.
This will undoubtedly go the full distance, any deal being struck at the eleventh hour on the last day. It is nigh on impossible to know how it will turn out but I would think that we have a slight edge in that we can walk away. |
Good post.
I agree with you that the actual negotiations will be much different to the ones played out in public.
Of course, what many media reports seem to miss is that there is no guarantee that a deal has to be struck at all, or will be struck at all. Another possibility is that in the aftermath of failed negotiations Britain just leaves at the end of the two years. Naturally, this would be irresponsible in the extreme, particularly with regards to Britain's post-colonial minefields of Gibraltar and Northern Ireland, but I would not rule out the prospect of Britain's Tories running out of time and simply telling Johnny Foreigner that the proposed deal on the table is not good enough, so goodbye. |  |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 14:26 - Apr 3 with 1676 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 14:18 - Apr 1 by Dorse |
Please, won't somebody think of the monkeys? |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 14:36 - Apr 3 with 1654 views | Monahoop |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 13:12 - Apr 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good post.
I agree with you that the actual negotiations will be much different to the ones played out in public.
Of course, what many media reports seem to miss is that there is no guarantee that a deal has to be struck at all, or will be struck at all. Another possibility is that in the aftermath of failed negotiations Britain just leaves at the end of the two years. Naturally, this would be irresponsible in the extreme, particularly with regards to Britain's post-colonial minefields of Gibraltar and Northern Ireland, but I would not rule out the prospect of Britain's Tories running out of time and simply telling Johnny Foreigner that the proposed deal on the table is not good enough, so goodbye. |
This is probably true. Mrs May keeps telling Britain and indeed Europe the government has plans for Brexit, yet won't reveal what they are. This is because they probably don't know themselves and the whole shambolic process will no doubt reveal itself in two years time if not before. The only monkeys to show themselves up for this, won't be the ones residing in Gibraltar [ they probably have more sense ], but the ones you find scratching their armpits and prowling the floors of Westminster week in, week out. |  |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 20:13 - Apr 3 with 1461 views | derbyhoop |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 13:12 - Apr 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good post.
I agree with you that the actual negotiations will be much different to the ones played out in public.
Of course, what many media reports seem to miss is that there is no guarantee that a deal has to be struck at all, or will be struck at all. Another possibility is that in the aftermath of failed negotiations Britain just leaves at the end of the two years. Naturally, this would be irresponsible in the extreme, particularly with regards to Britain's post-colonial minefields of Gibraltar and Northern Ireland, but I would not rule out the prospect of Britain's Tories running out of time and simply telling Johnny Foreigner that the proposed deal on the table is not good enough, so goodbye. |
2 other alternatives to consider:-
Any deal has to be agreed by the European Parliament and will probably need to be agreed by all the national parliaments of the EU27.
The deal will be put to both Houses in Westminster. May has a slim majority and it is possible, if unlikely, that our Parliament will reject it as not being good enough. | |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 22:19 - Apr 3 with 1399 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 20:13 - Apr 3 by derbyhoop |
2 other alternatives to consider:-
Any deal has to be agreed by the European Parliament and will probably need to be agreed by all the national parliaments of the EU27.
The deal will be put to both Houses in Westminster. May has a slim majority and it is possible, if unlikely, that our Parliament will reject it as not being good enough. |
True, both possibilities. | |
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| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 14:38 - Apr 6 with 1241 views | Lee_Gib |
| Spain possible EU veto over Gibraltar on 14:18 - Apr 1 by Dorse |
Please, won't somebody think of the monkeys? |
Or, perhaps, the people that live here who don't want to be used as a pawn in a game of c*nts chess? |  | | |
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