| reading this forum and silence from official site, 19:28 - Mar 9 with 17586 views | Liberty |
Its looking more and more likely, Monk will not be manager permanently.
Is that the popular vote ?
Think Monk fans are accepting this at last.
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:35 - Mar 11 with 1408 views | Darran |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:34 - Mar 11 by Liberty |
Honestly think only you, jackfath and raynor bully people. Not just me. Its the endless threads you ruin by it. Only you 3 on ignore for that reason, 2 out of 3 aint bad. 4th just bores me.
Out of 200 plus posters , 196 could listen to all day, I can live with that. |
Thank you apology accepted. |  |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:40 - Mar 11 with 1397 views | Liberty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:35 - Mar 11 by Darran |
Thank you apology accepted. |
Prove ur appreciation of me, by letting me put u on ignore pleeeeeease, that would be 3 out of 3, would make my day. | |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:41 - Mar 11 with 1396 views | Darran |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:40 - Mar 11 by Liberty |
Prove ur appreciation of me, by letting me put u on ignore pleeeeeease, that would be 3 out of 3, would make my day. |
Oh FFS shut up mun. | |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:42 - Mar 11 with 1395 views | Rancid |
Liberty is Shw Mae yeah? Has to be. |  | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 21:13 - Mar 11 with 1360 views | Liberty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:41 - Mar 11 by Darran |
Oh FFS shut up mun. |
You shut up man.
Know what you are doing, funny as hell. | |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 21:44 - Mar 11 with 1339 views | ScoobyWho |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:35 - Mar 9 by Liberty |
Read the poll under my posts.
If thats what fans think of a legend of a player.
He is not the man for the job, if board appoint him, I will support till sacked, many on here slag previous managers off before being sacked. I never boo from the stand, any player or manager. Some fans have short memories. |
He's not a legend.
Monk is a very very rich man on the back of our club.
And not managerial material in the PL. |  |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 22:25 - Mar 11 with 1300 views | Liberty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 20:42 - Mar 11 by Rancid |
Liberty is Shw Mae yeah? Has to be. |
WHO'S Shw Mae ?
Did he used to start threads, Darr challenge immediately, not get a bite, then Darr starts personsal abuse - poster stands up for themselves, then Darr and only 2 or 3 cronies jump all over it.
Not many posters stick round when that happen to them. He is pleasant to many, file under jeckyll and hyde. Sober or pssed. Agree with him or dont, know him or dont. | |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 22:27 - Mar 11 with 1296 views | Darran |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 22:25 - Mar 11 by Liberty |
WHO'S Shw Mae ?
Did he used to start threads, Darr challenge immediately, not get a bite, then Darr starts personsal abuse - poster stands up for themselves, then Darr and only 2 or 3 cronies jump all over it.
Not many posters stick round when that happen to them. He is pleasant to many, file under jeckyll and hyde. Sober or pssed. Agree with him or dont, know him or dont. |
Hang on where's the personal abuse bit keep coming from? | |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 22:38 - Mar 11 with 1280 views | Liberty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 22:27 - Mar 11 by Darran |
Hang on where's the personal abuse bit keep coming from? |
Read this thread and west brom thread I started, just 2 for example.
Same in both from the start. Thats just 2 of many.
You look to start a debate, fine, then get personal. I will react. Fine if that makes you happy. | |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 22:43 - Mar 11 with 1271 views | Darran |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 22:38 - Mar 11 by Liberty |
Read this thread and west brom thread I started, just 2 for example.
Same in both from the start. Thats just 2 of many.
You look to start a debate, fine, then get personal. I will react. Fine if that makes you happy. |
I'm always happy. | |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 23:05 - Mar 11 with 1247 views | Spratty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 18:45 - Mar 11 by MattG |
When did we find out it wasn't true?
Just asking, like, as I haven't read that myself anywhere. |
No it's a fair point we should always explore the null hypothesis
Anyone can spit up on the pitch when we are going to hell in a handcart against CP at home, made me feel a bit queasy.
Shame they didn't properly brief Bony - poor Leroy the fall guy yet again. I can see it now: Garry what is my motivation? Oh you know just crash about aimlessly - think Everton.
Ash did mention in an interview the Triad of senior players that were going to save themselves oops sorry the club. #Machiavellian. Captain sulking game after game no leadership on the pitch then suddenly hap hap happier than happy Gilroy on happy pills in Happy Valley. What chance a mere mortal against such orchestrated perfidiousness.
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 00:25 - Mar 12 with 1224 views | Liberty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 22:43 - Mar 11 by Darran |
I'm always happy. |
Lots of people would
Permanent smile.
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 06:50 - Mar 12 with 1194 views | MattG |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 23:05 - Mar 11 by Spratty |
No it's a fair point we should always explore the null hypothesis
Anyone can spit up on the pitch when we are going to hell in a handcart against CP at home, made me feel a bit queasy.
Shame they didn't properly brief Bony - poor Leroy the fall guy yet again. I can see it now: Garry what is my motivation? Oh you know just crash about aimlessly - think Everton.
Ash did mention in an interview the Triad of senior players that were going to save themselves oops sorry the club. #Machiavellian. Captain sulking game after game no leadership on the pitch then suddenly hap hap happier than happy Gilroy on happy pills in Happy Valley. What chance a mere mortal against such orchestrated perfidiousness.
Certainly a plausible plot-line |
Nope, you've definitely lost me with that one.
I was asking a genuine question - the suggestion was made that Monk's comment about Ash and Wilf being ill had been proven to be a lie but I hadn't read or heard this anywhere else. I still haven't, unless it's hidden somewhere in your post like something out of a Dan Brown novel. |  | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 08:53 - Mar 12 with 1163 views | libertine |
you didn't need to read it anywhere you have a brain and eyes and a tv on which to watch the welsh game and the interview after the palace game. (these are assumptions)
or is it just blind faith |  | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 09:16 - Mar 12 with 1146 views | libertine |
Just a thought but does anyone think that Our Garry actually made the sub decisions all by himself or were there other people who he discussed this with ( i am not at all suggesting that garry has any mental disorders), does he have autonomy. | | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 09:26 - Mar 12 with 1140 views | raynor94 |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 00:25 - Mar 12 by Liberty |
Lots of people would
Permanent smile.
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Obviously, you can't read this, but what a sad pathetic post, I'd call you a sad little man, but I have my doubts |  |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 09:29 - Mar 12 with 1139 views | WarwickHunt |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 09:16 - Mar 12 by libertine |
Just a thought but does anyone think that Our Garry actually made the sub decisions all by himself or were there other people who he discussed this with ( i am not at all suggesting that garry has any mental disorders), does he have autonomy. |
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts he was told to throw the Everton game... |  | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 10:10 - Mar 12 with 1122 views | Spratty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 06:50 - Mar 12 by MattG |
Nope, you've definitely lost me with that one.
I was asking a genuine question - the suggestion was made that Monk's comment about Ash and Wilf being ill had been proven to be a lie but I hadn't read or heard this anywhere else. I still haven't, unless it's hidden somewhere in your post like something out of a Dan Brown novel. |
The post you quoted did not from my reading suggest that the comment had been "proven" to be a lie. It questioned if it could be and asked why.....
"could there be an untruth and if so, Why"
then from my reading went on to explore that hypothesis -
"but to say they were in such a bad state they had to come of and then we find out its not true"
To explore the possibility of its untruth given some potentially conflicting signals I suppose is fair enough. It is not saying it is proven to be a lie but questioning if it might be.
Just as us unquestioningly accepting it as the truth does not mean it is true.
Many football managers will spout anything that people might accept to cover up any short comings, especially if new and feel under pressure to achieve (aka Bren when first at Liverpool).
Personally I was willing to generally accept it even though Bony did not seem to want to come off and that seemed an otherwise baffling substitution (akin to bringing Leroy on at Everton instead of Bony). However I posted a potential tongue in cheek alternative reality in response to these comments and other comments about a player coup d'etat. This is indeed backed up to some extent by comments from Ash about him, Monk and Leon wanting to save the club. Potentially read 3 disaffected players not happy to toe the line and in a position of power with the ear of a Chairman (whose own critical newspaper articles at key times show he has a poor relationship with the then manager) . Monk has also made it clear that every player will be given a chance. Fair enough and presumably to achieve buy in from the whole team. But this could explain some of his substitutions (although not necessarily those against CP). | | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 10:43 - Mar 12 with 1106 views | Spratty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 09:16 - Mar 12 by libertine |
Just a thought but does anyone think that Our Garry actually made the sub decisions all by himself or were there other people who he discussed this with ( i am not at all suggesting that garry has any mental disorders), does he have autonomy. |
Certainly was asking a staff member "who should I take off" at Napoli. Don't think it was the ball boy he was asking as someone suggested to me.
May not be unusual to consult with other staff re decisions on substitutions as the match progresses but for it to be clearly seen on TV gave the impression of indecisiveness it also seemed more like asking for instruction than input and seemed a bit panicky.
Obviously though it was a very big occasion and he is an inexperienced manager so there was tremendous pressure on him.
There also were a few suggestions that the subs at CP home had been pre-agreed (and possibly others). I imagine at this stage in things there is potentially quite a bit of direction or possibly even agreeing more detailed approach. It is quite a risk putting someone so inexperienced in charge and the board would obviously want to protect their interests whilst giving him every opportunity to develop. | | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 10:53 - Mar 12 with 1095 views | Darran |
I know the Swans is a very serious issue and plays a massive part in our lives but I honestly believe some people are mental.
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 10:53 - Mar 12 with 1103 views | swanny |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 10:10 - Mar 12 by Spratty |
The post you quoted did not from my reading suggest that the comment had been "proven" to be a lie. It questioned if it could be and asked why.....
"could there be an untruth and if so, Why"
then from my reading went on to explore that hypothesis -
"but to say they were in such a bad state they had to come of and then we find out its not true"
To explore the possibility of its untruth given some potentially conflicting signals I suppose is fair enough. It is not saying it is proven to be a lie but questioning if it might be.
Just as us unquestioningly accepting it as the truth does not mean it is true.
Many football managers will spout anything that people might accept to cover up any short comings, especially if new and feel under pressure to achieve (aka Bren when first at Liverpool).
Personally I was willing to generally accept it even though Bony did not seem to want to come off and that seemed an otherwise baffling substitution (akin to bringing Leroy on at Everton instead of Bony). However I posted a potential tongue in cheek alternative reality in response to these comments and other comments about a player coup d'etat. This is indeed backed up to some extent by comments from Ash about him, Monk and Leon wanting to save the club. Potentially read 3 disaffected players not happy to toe the line and in a position of power with the ear of a Chairman (whose own critical newspaper articles at key times show he has a poor relationship with the then manager) . Monk has also made it clear that every player will be given a chance. Fair enough and presumably to achieve buy in from the whole team. But this could explain some of his substitutions (although not necessarily those against CP). |
Machiavellian in the extreme.....
If this was all down to certain disaffected players behaving like spoilt teenagers, then wouldn't that mean that Laudrup didn't have the necessary qualities required to 'man manage' the football team. As a Manager, shouldn't he have been able to deal with that sort of behaviour.
I know that there are those who think that we shouldn't have got rid of him, but even by your own admissions he wasn't managing certain players. |  |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 11:21 - Mar 12 with 1084 views | libertine |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 00:25 - Mar 12 by Liberty |
Lots of people would
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You've been watching too much benefit street,
Do you honestly think if some poor bugsta on benefits was given the opportunity to earn a real living wage he wouldn't do it, life on the dole is mostly a boring and dull existence.
The problem is that the wages are too low, not the benefits to high (in most cases) basic job seekers allowance is really tight to live on.
The only people who can afford to take these wages are people who don't have to pay all the other living expenses that as a British citizen we do.
Also were are all the jobs | | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 11:33 - Mar 12 with 1082 views | Catullus |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 10:53 - Mar 12 by Darran |
I know the Swans is a very serious issue and plays a massive part in our lives but I honestly believe some people are mental.
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It's hard to disagree Dar!!
The issue around Ash, was he sick? Well I personally, along with thousands of others, saw him coughing his guts up shortly before going off. Being fit enough to give an interview when unwell is one thing, but charging around a football pitch is quite another.
And if Monk is asking for advice, is that wrong? As well as most of us think he's done, he is still very new and raw. He'll need support here and there. |  |
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| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 13:04 - Mar 12 with 1056 views | Spratty |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 11:33 - Mar 12 by Catullus |
It's hard to disagree Dar!!
The issue around Ash, was he sick? Well I personally, along with thousands of others, saw him coughing his guts up shortly before going off. Being fit enough to give an interview when unwell is one thing, but charging around a football pitch is quite another.
And if Monk is asking for advice, is that wrong? As well as most of us think he's done, he is still very new and raw. He'll need support here and there. |
Question however also relates to Bony too and he did seem surprised to be taken off as many can also witness.
The response I gave re Monk asking for advice was similar to yours. Most understandable for an inexperienced and unqualified manager but the question might be is our PL club the place to learn.
Think the other issue addressed was how much his strings are being pulled at the back. Which I think also a reasonable question.
Additionally the question has been raised of whether it was in Monks best interests to throw him in this sink or swim situation with many expressing concerns about player retention and recruitment. It was certainly a brave move and could work. I think it would have probably been safer and in Monk's best interest to bring him on as assistant first (possibly not to Laudrup though). Of course that would have logistic and cost implications. | | | |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 13:12 - Mar 12 with 1045 views | llangyfelach |
| reading this forum and silence from official site, on 10:53 - Mar 12 by Darran |
I know the Swans is a very serious issue and plays a massive part in our lives but I honestly believe some people are mental.
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Its a game. That's all it is. Its way down in the list of priorities in my life. I agree with you, Dar. Its all some people have in their lives, each to their own and all that, but if all I had to talk about and build my life around was a game of f*cking football then I'd have done myself in years ago |  |
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