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Well done Leanne I say for not rolling over and playing lapdog to arrogant Labour. This is about process not policies. There was a process to follow and Labour thought they could short circuit it.
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 07:29 - May 12 with 2848 views
Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 07:11 - May 12 by Kilkennyjack
You actually said it was a fact.
I just asked for you to say what the fact was.
You cant because its not a fact, its your opinion on would you think has probably happened.
Thats all the clarity and confirmation we needed.
Its not a fact at all.
What part isn't a fact? I never said that I knew what the discussions entailed. Why you are getting so hung up on what exactly the discussions involved are I don't know, but the very real probability that Plaid did negotiate with the Tories and UKIP should be enough to concern you.
The idea that other parties were contacted before the vote is indisputable. Plaid have admitted that on tv.
Also, from BBC Wales politics: @NeilUKIP says that UKIP was approached by Plaid on Monday to back Leanne Wood in the FM vote
Yesterday, we were one Kirsty Williams' (Lib Dem) vote away from having Leanne Wood as First Minister. Of course the other parties would want something in return for their support. It wasn't about procedure, or giving Labour a bloody nose to check their "arrogance". Carwyn Jones is well aware of how many seats Labour has, obviously.
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 07:59 - May 12 with 2823 views
Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 07:29 - May 12 by nice_to_michu
What part isn't a fact? I never said that I knew what the discussions entailed. Why you are getting so hung up on what exactly the discussions involved are I don't know, but the very real probability that Plaid did negotiate with the Tories and UKIP should be enough to concern you.
The idea that other parties were contacted before the vote is indisputable. Plaid have admitted that on tv.
Also, from BBC Wales politics: @NeilUKIP says that UKIP was approached by Plaid on Monday to back Leanne Wood in the FM vote
Yesterday, we were one Kirsty Williams' (Lib Dem) vote away from having Leanne Wood as First Minister. Of course the other parties would want something in return for their support. It wasn't about procedure, or giving Labour a bloody nose to check their "arrogance". Carwyn Jones is well aware of how many seats Labour has, obviously.
It's obviously all about process. And hardly surprising that to get Labour to stop and think would require a coordinated action. Discussions between parties and AMs happen every single day. More power to Leanne for being able to mobilise people from different parties. It doesn't mean Plaid are suddenly owned by Tory/UKIPers.
This is the political equivalent of panicking about relegation in September.
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 08:18 - May 12 with 2808 views
Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 07:59 - May 12 by LeonisGod
It's obviously all about process. And hardly surprising that to get Labour to stop and think would require a coordinated action. Discussions between parties and AMs happen every single day. More power to Leanne for being able to mobilise people from different parties. It doesn't mean Plaid are suddenly owned by Tory/UKIPers.
This is the political equivalent of panicking about relegation in September.
Ah right, so if Kirsty Williams voted for Leanne Wood, Plaid would have just said "only joking! Just wanted to give Labour a bloody nose!"
Get real.
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 09:09 - May 12 with 2774 views
I wonder what the policy concessions would look like?
Maybe, since UKIP want to abolish the Severn Bridge toll (an election promise of theirs, even though only Westminster can do that), and Plaid want an independent Wales, the agreement was to destroy the bridge and build a massive wall along our border with England big enough to impress another clueless nationalist, Donald Trump?
And the Tories agreed to support Leanne Wood so long as the wall was built using Chinese steel and non-Welsh contractors?
I don't know, I'm just speculating.
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 09:48 - May 12 with 2747 views
(No subject) (n/t) on 19:33 - May 11 by nice_to_michu
[Post edited 15 Nov 2017 11:48]
I would think that.To give Carwyn a shock and take him down a peg or two. It has had that effect as well. The puffed up complacent one will get the gig, don't worry. He has to arrange deals with the other parties though before he get his complacent arse back in the First Ministers seat.
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 10:06 - May 12 with 2554 views
Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 09:48 - May 12 by Private_Partz
I would think that.To give Carwyn a shock and take him down a peg or two. It has had that effect as well. The puffed up complacent one will get the gig, don't worry. He has to arrange deals with the other parties though before he get his complacent arse back in the First Ministers seat.
Kirsty Williams stopped Leanne Wood and the other 11 Plaid AMs from forming a government with Neil Hamilton and the Tories.
Let that sink in for a minute.
This was not theatre. If it was, it hasn't proven anything to Carwyn Jones, he already knew he didn't have a majority.
Come on Private_Partz, you know better than this.
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 18:54 - May 12 with 2447 views
Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 10:06 - May 12 by acejack3065
So with a steel industry in crisis and a referendum on the future of Europe impending, Plaid think it's a good opportunity to take Carwyn down a peg?
There won't be a government for at least another week and that's basically time Plaid have burnt off just to spite Labour. Absolute madness.
Perhaps Labour should have agreed to the weeks delay on the vote then so agreement with the other parties could have been reached. Steel is an urgent issue but Westminster has by far bigger lead and I doubt this delay will cause any problem. The EU referendum will carry on regardless of WAG. In fact UKIP technically have the most to lose there and I doubt there is much influence for them at a regional level.
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 18:59 - May 12 with 2441 views
This thread title is dated and wrong, its Labour that are the ones in talks with UKIP, although I think Labour might still come running to Plaid but you never know.
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories (n/t) on 23:33 - May 11 by nice_to_michu
[Post edited 15 Nov 2017 11:49]
I think uniting to take Carwyn down a peg of two is very different from working together to get a deal to move forward as the main group in the Senedd. It would not last five minutes. I see the Cardiff media have jumped on your bandwagon however. My advice to Carwyn is sit down and talk this week and get some agreement from the other parties. Dropping the black route for the Brynglas fiasco is likely to get Plaid on board for starters.
[Post edited 12 May 2016 19:00]
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 20:02 - May 12 with 2406 views
See tonight's news interview by Leanne:- ''I'm not in the business of doing deals with a party like UKIP'' and ''I cant have any control over the way other members of other parties vote'' and ''I cant say to UKIP members, now you are here you can abstain because none of us want to be tainted by your votes, they have been elected, this is a democracy''.
Leanne is a superb specimen of a left wing leader, it was recently put to her [lead up to the General Election in 2015 I believe] by an old respected journalist who has his own political tv show, when he interviewed her he at the very beginning of the interview he said ''you are more old Labour than old Labour aren't you '' ?
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
I assume you missed the fact that Mark Reckless said on tv he would do a deal with Labour if they agreed to some things in their manifesto?
Obviously Labour aren't going to agree to a formal deal like that (they are miles apart ideologically and Labour don't need all of UKIP's support anyway), but it just shows you that these sort of deals are the exact thing that Leanne Wood was courting UKIP and the Tories to back her election as First Minister.
The difference, of course, is that the Tories and UKIP would have more AMs than Plaid and they would therefore have to give enormous concessions on policy to them.
Not much of a socialist platform is it?
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 20:06 - May 12 with 2403 views
Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 20:02 - May 12 by trampie
See tonight's news interview by Leanne:- ''I'm not in the business of doing deals with a party like UKIP'' and ''I cant have any control over the way other members of other parties vote'' and ''I cant say to UKIP members, now you are here you can abstain because none of us want to be tainted by your votes, they have been elected, this is a democracy''.
Leanne is a superb specimen of a left wing leader, it was recently put to her [lead up to the General Election in 2015 I believe] by an old respected journalist who has his own political tv show, when he interviewed her he at the very beginning of the interview he said ''you are more old Labour than old Labour aren't you '' ?
It'd be funny if UKIP recorded the call made to them wouldn't it.
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Plaid do a deal with UKIP and the Tories on 20:16 - May 12 with 2395 views
All Labour needs is the get Jones elected as FM. Most of their manifesto will go through anyway because once the initial posturing nonsense we've seen this week has died down, no way will Plaid, UKIP and the Tories be able to vote down everything. Not if they want to retain any semblance of credibility anyway. Labour will govern quite comfortably with 29 seats.
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