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To chime in on what the good Dr said, it's probably fair to say that Swansea has been just as let down by a series of unambitious council administrations. We do have some beauts in the local council, from all parties.
I wonder if anything from the latest flashy vision will come to fruition.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:53 - Mar 12 with 2496 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:53 - Mar 12 by nice_to_michu
Anyone notice that two of the three Plaid Cymru MPs 'abstained' on the disability cuts bill?
Still convinced they are socialist?
Second time you have posted that one. No party ever does exactly what you want it to. I would like to hear Leanne's reactions to why this happened and why they launched their campaign in Cardiff City Statdium. Still voting for them though. Best of the bunch to bring equality for Wales for me to date. Floating voters can make a difference ;-)
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 19:00 - Mar 12 with 2457 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:05 - Mar 12 by Private_Partz
Second time you have posted that one. No party ever does exactly what you want it to. I would like to hear Leanne's reactions to why this happened and why they launched their campaign in Cardiff City Statdium. Still voting for them though. Best of the bunch to bring equality for Wales for me to date. Floating voters can make a difference ;-)
I posted it in a thread about the cuts.
You would like to know why this happened? I'll give you a clue, they aren't actually socialists.
It's the myth that never seems to die on this website.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:01 - Mar 13 with 2416 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 19:00 - Mar 12 by nice_to_michu
I posted it in a thread about the cuts.
You would like to know why this happened? I'll give you a clue, they aren't actually socialists.
It's the myth that never seems to die on this website.
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I have to say I don't care whether they are socialist or not. I am not a died in the wool supporter of them and may never be. They suit the main objective (i.e. A fairer distribution of wealth across Wales) and that will do for me for now.
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 16:54 - Mar 13 with 2374 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 16:54 - Mar 13 by Private_Partz
Only 53 people voted in this poll. Does that mean the rest of PS will not vote or do they not give a flying one?
You can take that and extrapolate for the UK as a whole and it gives some sort of indication as to the scale of disengagement from the political process. An understandable loss of faith.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:12 - Mar 13 with 2358 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 12:27 - Mar 12 by Dr_Winston
You've made a good point with the first one. The quality of local politicians is shit. You only have to look at the obstacles Swansea Council tried to place in the way of the Parc Tawe redevelopment to realise that they're perfectly capable of stifling the city themselves.
The latter I disagree with. Bristol has managed to redevelop huge swathes of itself over recent decades without the kinds of massive support Cardiff gets.
Point is it's not all about the WAG.They don't help, but Swansea is a city that can't get stuff done anyway.
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I don't understand why people can't comprehend why Swansea Council did what it did for Parc Tawe. Parc Tawe is a monstrosity and, because of its location, is a direct rival to the city centre.
If they pack PT with shops/restaurants etc, then, just like with all retail parks, it'll stop people going into town. The council acted with the best of intentions, trying to stop Hammersmith (who, in over 5 years in charge of the regeneration of the town centre did nothing - the current Labour council have showed more ambition in the past 9 months than they did in years), from creating another out-of-town development and stop people going into town.
Yes, we have struggled with poor councillors I admit, although, the current council seem to be doing an excellent job, very ambitious, but they're restrained because they get no government funding. If offered a billion pound, I'm sure they could put some good things together. We're relying on private funding, and at the moment, Swansea isn't an attractive proposition. It's economically poor, at the end of the M4 with poor transport links and a poorly educated population. Very different to Bristol.
As for Private Partz, that's a good question. I wonder whether the people who are voting for UKIP (second largest vote according to this poll) realise they're more right-wing than the Tories (Farage has openly said he'd like to abolish the NHS etc).
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 16:54 - Mar 13 by Private_Partz
Only 53 people voted in this poll. Does that mean the rest of PS will not vote or do they not give a flying one?
Not many people read the non football board because the sheer intellectualism of intellectuals such as me and perch on here makes them feel intellectually inferior.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:12 - Mar 13 by CopperJack
I don't understand why people can't comprehend why Swansea Council did what it did for Parc Tawe. Parc Tawe is a monstrosity and, because of its location, is a direct rival to the city centre.
If they pack PT with shops/restaurants etc, then, just like with all retail parks, it'll stop people going into town. The council acted with the best of intentions, trying to stop Hammersmith (who, in over 5 years in charge of the regeneration of the town centre did nothing - the current Labour council have showed more ambition in the past 9 months than they did in years), from creating another out-of-town development and stop people going into town.
Yes, we have struggled with poor councillors I admit, although, the current council seem to be doing an excellent job, very ambitious, but they're restrained because they get no government funding. If offered a billion pound, I'm sure they could put some good things together. We're relying on private funding, and at the moment, Swansea isn't an attractive proposition. It's economically poor, at the end of the M4 with poor transport links and a poorly educated population. Very different to Bristol.
As for Private Partz, that's a good question. I wonder whether the people who are voting for UKIP (second largest vote according to this poll) realise they're more right-wing than the Tories (Farage has openly said he'd like to abolish the NHS etc).
You're absolutely right CopperJack
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:52 - Mar 21 with 2220 views
I'll be voting for Plaid. For me, they genuinely have the most exciting and forward thinking plan, for the whole of Wales, and this is key in my boring for them in May.
I got disenchanted with them after the election last year and was in a bit of a limbo as to who I should vote for this year, however, given the alternatives are; labour, who are joined at the hips with the tories re: austerity; the conservatives, who I can't support on principle; lib dems, who, after 2010, broke all sorts of trust; ukip, because, well, must I give a reason?; and the greens, who I would vote for, but their manifesto isn't strong enough to govern, imo.
There really is only one choice for Wales tbh. Plaid isn't the same stinking elitist party it once was.
If you must cast a protest vote in spite of the 'establishment', then best it goes towards Plaid, and not a party seeped in homophobia, racism and xenophobia (UKIP).
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 11:17 - Mar 21 with 2215 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 21:20 - Mar 7 by jack_lord
I am not a nationalist but would vote plaid in another area if they are true to this promise.
You don't have to be a nationalist to vote for Plaid. I'm ambivalent towards it these days; I can see pros and cons of independence. However, I'm voting for Plaid because I truly believe them to be the party to help get us back on or feet. That's all that is important right now, and Plaid share this thought also in the fact that they've have not uttered the 'I' word once during their campaign as part of their manifesto.
PC's ultimate goal is obviously independence, but you don't have to agree with that to be 'able' to vote for them. IF they're voted in, and IF there's a referendum on indy, then you can still vote 'no' to remain in the UK. As far as I'm concerned, all that is important is Wales prospers. Whether this is within the UK or as an independant country within the EU, I truly believe that Plaid is the only party with the vision and manifesto to deliver this.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 15:01 - Mar 21 with 2190 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 11:17 - Mar 21 by thedrownedman
You don't have to be a nationalist to vote for Plaid. I'm ambivalent towards it these days; I can see pros and cons of independence. However, I'm voting for Plaid because I truly believe them to be the party to help get us back on or feet. That's all that is important right now, and Plaid share this thought also in the fact that they've have not uttered the 'I' word once during their campaign as part of their manifesto.
PC's ultimate goal is obviously independence, but you don't have to agree with that to be 'able' to vote for them. IF they're voted in, and IF there's a referendum on indy, then you can still vote 'no' to remain in the UK. As far as I'm concerned, all that is important is Wales prospers. Whether this is within the UK or as an independant country within the EU, I truly believe that Plaid is the only party with the vision and manifesto to deliver this.
Well said.
And i'll repeat myself in saying that the last thing Plaid will do if they were to run the WAG would be to have an Independence referendum because they would be humiliated. According to current polls the yes vote would be no more than 10%.
Far and away the most important consideration, in my opinion, when deciding who to vote for is who will govern in the interests of the WHOLE of Wales. That is demonstrably not Labour because we've seen the evidence that they won't do it by what they've done over the last 17 years.
Plaid have stated in their manifesto that they will start the redistribution of infrastructure investment by blocking the current Labour plans to spend the whole of three years of the WAG road infrastructure budget on the M4 relief road. This is yet another huge investment which will hugely benefit Cardiff yet again and do almost nothing for the rest of Wales (i've said in the past that the cost would be two years of the budget, which is £1 billion, but it's already increased to around £1.2 billion which, apparently, does not include some, or all, of the compulsory land purchase costs).
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 15:08 - Mar 21 with 2187 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 15:01 - Mar 21 by johnlangy
Well said.
And i'll repeat myself in saying that the last thing Plaid will do if they were to run the WAG would be to have an Independence referendum because they would be humiliated. According to current polls the yes vote would be no more than 10%.
Far and away the most important consideration, in my opinion, when deciding who to vote for is who will govern in the interests of the WHOLE of Wales. That is demonstrably not Labour because we've seen the evidence that they won't do it by what they've done over the last 17 years.
Plaid have stated in their manifesto that they will start the redistribution of infrastructure investment by blocking the current Labour plans to spend the whole of three years of the WAG road infrastructure budget on the M4 relief road. This is yet another huge investment which will hugely benefit Cardiff yet again and do almost nothing for the rest of Wales (i've said in the past that the cost would be two years of the budget, which is £1 billion, but it's already increased to around £1.2 billion which, apparently, does not include some, or all, of the compulsory land purchase costs).
Well said. I have no desire for independence, and I think Wales would go bankrupt in a day just footing the welfare bill because there's very little wealth outside of Cardiff (thank you, WAG). However, they're the best bet for redistributing wealth around this country. If you want Swansea to have a fighting chance, if you'd like to see the type of investment that's turned Cardiff into the city it is, then don't vote Labour, vote Plaid.
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 15:08 - Mar 21 by CopperJack
Well said. I have no desire for independence, and I think Wales would go bankrupt in a day just footing the welfare bill because there's very little wealth outside of Cardiff (thank you, WAG). However, they're the best bet for redistributing wealth around this country. If you want Swansea to have a fighting chance, if you'd like to see the type of investment that's turned Cardiff into the city it is, then don't vote Labour, vote Plaid.
I agree. Vote for lovely Leanne.
Beware of the Risen People
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:55 - Mar 22 with 2117 views
I know it's a massive longshot, and I know it probably won't happen, but wouldn't it be amazing if Labour was knocked of its perch and dethroned? The people who they've neglected, ignored and mistreated finally woke up and voted them out. Given their arrogance, I think it'd be quite a shock to the system.
Absolutely, CJ. They really have taken their voters for granted, especially those outside of the Cardiff region. Swansea hasn't seen such investment ever.
Plaid , I really do believe, will redistribute the wealth throughout Wales. They have to because they know that I'd they don't, they'll lose massive support, from the 'casual' voter and from their 'core' voters.
We'll also see the same centralisation of wealth under the tories, and they'll also being all the woes currently on view in England currently.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:31 - Mar 22 with 2083 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:20 - Mar 22 by thedrownedman
Absolutely, CJ. They really have taken their voters for granted, especially those outside of the Cardiff region. Swansea hasn't seen such investment ever.
Plaid , I really do believe, will redistribute the wealth throughout Wales. They have to because they know that I'd they don't, they'll lose massive support, from the 'casual' voter and from their 'core' voters.
We'll also see the same centralisation of wealth under the tories, and they'll also being all the woes currently on view in England currently.
Correct.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:34 - Mar 22 with 2079 views
I just sent this mail/letter to the EP. Hopefully it'll be printed. ********************************* Well done Chris Holley for speaking out loudly against the shameful way Labour are running the Assembly with regard to investment. It’s a pity that the people currently running our Council won’t do the same. Are they simply unwilling to rock the boat because they are both Labour administrations ?
The fact is that over the last 17 years Labour have put Project Cardiff ahead of Project Wales. Cardiff has had an unbelievable level of investment while the Rest of Wales has been fed crumbs. And they’ll just carry on if they are again voted back into power. The next major road infrastructure spend will see three years of the appropriate budget spent on just the M4 relief road which will yet again hugely benefit Cardiff with very little trickle down benefit to West Wales. Mid and North Wales will see none. Also they’ve already committed to putting £580 million into the Cardiff City Deal in order to win treasury backing. So where is the backing for the Swansea Bay region deal ? Even though this was talked about before the Cardiff equivalent nothing has been confirmed while the Cardiff one has gone ahead in record breaking time. When questioned about investment, and I have questioned Carwyn Jones, Mike Hedges and Carolyn Harris face to face, they still, even now, talk about having given us the Waterfront Museum. They are simply insulting the people of Swansea.
Think of this when the Assembly elections come around. They’ll just continue spending our money in the South East and say ‘it’s not just good for Cardiff, it’s good for Wales’. That is a lie. It’s simply good for Cardiff. Both Labour and Conservatives have confirmed they will go ahead with the M4 relief Road and the City Deal. Plaid Cymru have stated that, if in power they would cancel the relief road for a cheaper option and spread investment around the whole of Wales. This is what should be done.
If you vote Labour you’ll be voting for the best for Cardiff. If you vote Plaid you’ll be voting for the best for Wales. ****************************
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:42 - Mar 22 with 2076 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:34 - Mar 22 by johnlangy
I just sent this mail/letter to the EP. Hopefully it'll be printed. ********************************* Well done Chris Holley for speaking out loudly against the shameful way Labour are running the Assembly with regard to investment. It’s a pity that the people currently running our Council won’t do the same. Are they simply unwilling to rock the boat because they are both Labour administrations ?
The fact is that over the last 17 years Labour have put Project Cardiff ahead of Project Wales. Cardiff has had an unbelievable level of investment while the Rest of Wales has been fed crumbs. And they’ll just carry on if they are again voted back into power. The next major road infrastructure spend will see three years of the appropriate budget spent on just the M4 relief road which will yet again hugely benefit Cardiff with very little trickle down benefit to West Wales. Mid and North Wales will see none. Also they’ve already committed to putting £580 million into the Cardiff City Deal in order to win treasury backing. So where is the backing for the Swansea Bay region deal ? Even though this was talked about before the Cardiff equivalent nothing has been confirmed while the Cardiff one has gone ahead in record breaking time. When questioned about investment, and I have questioned Carwyn Jones, Mike Hedges and Carolyn Harris face to face, they still, even now, talk about having given us the Waterfront Museum. They are simply insulting the people of Swansea.
Think of this when the Assembly elections come around. They’ll just continue spending our money in the South East and say ‘it’s not just good for Cardiff, it’s good for Wales’. That is a lie. It’s simply good for Cardiff. Both Labour and Conservatives have confirmed they will go ahead with the M4 relief Road and the City Deal. Plaid Cymru have stated that, if in power they would cancel the relief road for a cheaper option and spread investment around the whole of Wales. This is what should be done.
If you vote Labour you’ll be voting for the best for Cardiff. If you vote Plaid you’ll be voting for the best for Wales. ****************************
Cool, do whatever makes you feel better about your day.
Advocating a vote for Leanne Wood because you think she is the best for Wales is hilarious. She is a third rate politician, thinker, speaker (just regurgitates nonsense, completely incapable of thinking under oressure when challenged).
She couldn't run a community council let alone a country. That isn't just my view, it's the view of other Assembky members of all colours, business leaders, think tanks. It's the worst kept secret around.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:45 - Mar 22 with 2071 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:57 - Mar 9 by CopperJack
I know you can't understand this, but no Welsh parties, and certainly not Welsh LAbour, are Brit Nats, as you affectionately call them. They're very Pro-Welsh which is why they've created a city-state. None of their policies are aimed at improving Hull, or Falkirk, or anywhere else in Britain. It's all Cardiff - their capital. I'd say they're pretty close to Welsh nationalists themselves. Carywn Jones even complained to Arriva Trains Wales because they didn't announce the train times in Welsh - hardly 'Brit Nat' is it?
All Carwyn Jones is is a regional manager who reports to his boss.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:43 - Mar 22 with 2043 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:42 - Mar 22 by nice_to_michu
Cool, do whatever makes you feel better about your day.
Advocating a vote for Leanne Wood because you think she is the best for Wales is hilarious. She is a third rate politician, thinker, speaker (just regurgitates nonsense, completely incapable of thinking under oressure when challenged).
She couldn't run a community council let alone a country. That isn't just my view, it's the view of other Assembky members of all colours, business leaders, think tanks. It's the worst kept secret around.
It did make me feel better as it happens.
From what you say you obviously won't be voting Plaid. I've got no problem with that. I hope everyone votes and I hope they think long and hard about that vote. If people think Labour have done a good job then they should vote for them. Personally I don't think they have and i'm looking at what they've done after 17 years of them being in power to base my thoughts on.
Maybe Leanne wouldn't be very good. I hope we get a chance to find out. And you insulting her by calling her third rate or saying she couldn't run a Community Council isn't going to change my opinion nor that of the many posters on here who've said they're going to vote Plaid.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 19:10 - Mar 22 with 2034 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:43 - Mar 22 by johnlangy
It did make me feel better as it happens.
From what you say you obviously won't be voting Plaid. I've got no problem with that. I hope everyone votes and I hope they think long and hard about that vote. If people think Labour have done a good job then they should vote for them. Personally I don't think they have and i'm looking at what they've done after 17 years of them being in power to base my thoughts on.
Maybe Leanne wouldn't be very good. I hope we get a chance to find out. And you insulting her by calling her third rate or saying she couldn't run a Community Council isn't going to change my opinion nor that of the many posters on here who've said they're going to vote Plaid.
I know it may sound like an insult, or just my opinion, but the general consensus from the movers and shakers in Wales is that she genuinely could not run a country with any competence.
I hope for everyone's sake that she is not a decision maker in Wales.
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