| Badlands 16:29 - Jan 31 with 10092 views | swancity |
Who is he ? A genuine fan ?
And why the hatred of our manager? Why try to desperately find things to criticise him constantly? And yet offer no praise whatsoever?
It’s weird. Very weird. Intriguing.
Just why ?
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| Badlands on 23:03 - Feb 2 with 1392 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Badlands on 18:35 - Feb 2 by Chief |
How long are you going to keep up this bizarre crusade Resolven? You're just repeating the same stuff literally everyday that has been addressed&disproved by myself and others many many times.
I admire your persistence, but to keep posting the same things worded differently (at great length) &twisting every little event (some that have nothing to do with Swansea City) that occurs against the trust - to me such effort points to a very vested interest in the situation, far more than that of a normal fan. Maybe if you revealed your involvement in it all people may take you more seriously and see your point of view more? [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 19:25]
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A vested interest without a doubt, anything else is just rubbish. Just an ordinary fan, yeah rite...……... No definitely not. |  | | |
| Badlands on 13:10 - Feb 3 with 1295 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Badlands on 23:03 - Feb 2 by Treforys_Jack |
A vested interest without a doubt, anything else is just rubbish. Just an ordinary fan, yeah rite...……... No definitely not. |
People asking questions about the dubious Trust strategy will have their credential questioned. I understand this. You are wrong about this and pretty rude in fact but that is not important. You are safe and snug in the flock of the majortiy view.
My opinion. (including some new aspects)
I have presented a financial case and recieved no sensibe answers. Chief says the Trust will never be able to sell their shares on the open market. This is not true in my opinion. Plenty of investors are happy to buy a non controlling interest. Kaplan and Levien have made plenty of money for investors in DC united even building a new Stadium part paid for by Opel. The value of their club is $330m. It takes hundred of millions to join the MLS so any buyer would have to buy and existing club to avoid joining fees which are massive. Silverstein is one who trusts them and his influence (i suspect) is there for all to see. ("cash dumping" Chief called it ).
UK football compared to other businesses has proven remarkably robust. Swansea has picked off two full US international and a hot Engand u20 prospect for relative pennies.
The Trust holding their shares for the next 3-4 seasons is in the interest of the Trust and its members. Football club prices are rising not falling. The Trust can easily absorb any dilution of their shares because the inflation rate is higher than the dilution rate. The US people will have to pump tens of millions into the club to seriously dilute the Trust. This would actually be good for the club not bad. Morris and Arriola are being paid for by the Trust being diluted if the CLN is turned into equity is one way of looking at it.
The Trust selling their shares at 2016 prices will be selling at half the current PL potential price. After fees they will be getting one third of the PL price. The Trust will be losers. The winners will be whoever buys the shares (The sellers / The US people) and the funders insurers, legal people managing the case.
My argument says that the sellers will be the ones who benefit from a court case (probably a settlement out of court) so I am arguing against the 'vested interests' you accuse me of being quite unfairly. I suspect you are now completely confused but that is because you pobably do not have a trained analytical mind perhaps with respect. Chief has attempted stoutly to defend legal action aided by a red herring or two tossed to him.
Again. Why is the Trust going to court to sell thier shares at 2016 prices (half PL price) for £13-14m afters fees , with Swansea challenging every year to return there for a £42m payday? Have my Welsh comrades lost the ability to wheel and deal? The Trust can sell their shares at any time to anyone and a price determined by them. They do not need Americans to sell for them.
Their strategy has had its 'pants pulled down' by dithereing for FIVE YEARS, football inflation Covid and Steve Cooper doing a brilliant job.
I am truly shocked that not one of the 1200 Trust member have any interest in this and that is why they will be banished from the club forever as a sad failed enterprise. An organisation that got a nose bleed once it got over 2000 feet.
This is one time when doing nothing is the right thing in my opinion. |  |
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| Badlands on 13:16 - Feb 3 with 1297 views | Chief |
| Badlands on 13:10 - Feb 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
People asking questions about the dubious Trust strategy will have their credential questioned. I understand this. You are wrong about this and pretty rude in fact but that is not important. You are safe and snug in the flock of the majortiy view.
My opinion. (including some new aspects)
I have presented a financial case and recieved no sensibe answers. Chief says the Trust will never be able to sell their shares on the open market. This is not true in my opinion. Plenty of investors are happy to buy a non controlling interest. Kaplan and Levien have made plenty of money for investors in DC united even building a new Stadium part paid for by Opel. The value of their club is $330m. It takes hundred of millions to join the MLS so any buyer would have to buy and existing club to avoid joining fees which are massive. Silverstein is one who trusts them and his influence (i suspect) is there for all to see. ("cash dumping" Chief called it ).
UK football compared to other businesses has proven remarkably robust. Swansea has picked off two full US international and a hot Engand u20 prospect for relative pennies.
The Trust holding their shares for the next 3-4 seasons is in the interest of the Trust and its members. Football club prices are rising not falling. The Trust can easily absorb any dilution of their shares because the inflation rate is higher than the dilution rate. The US people will have to pump tens of millions into the club to seriously dilute the Trust. This would actually be good for the club not bad. Morris and Arriola are being paid for by the Trust being diluted if the CLN is turned into equity is one way of looking at it.
The Trust selling their shares at 2016 prices will be selling at half the current PL potential price. After fees they will be getting one third of the PL price. The Trust will be losers. The winners will be whoever buys the shares (The sellers / The US people) and the funders insurers, legal people managing the case.
My argument says that the sellers will be the ones who benefit from a court case (probably a settlement out of court) so I am arguing against the 'vested interests' you accuse me of being quite unfairly. I suspect you are now completely confused but that is because you pobably do not have a trained analytical mind perhaps with respect. Chief has attempted stoutly to defend legal action aided by a red herring or two tossed to him.
Again. Why is the Trust going to court to sell thier shares at 2016 prices (half PL price) for £13-14m afters fees , with Swansea challenging every year to return there for a £42m payday? Have my Welsh comrades lost the ability to wheel and deal? The Trust can sell their shares at any time to anyone and a price determined by them. They do not need Americans to sell for them.
Their strategy has had its 'pants pulled down' by dithereing for FIVE YEARS, football inflation Covid and Steve Cooper doing a brilliant job.
I am truly shocked that not one of the 1200 Trust member have any interest in this and that is why they will be banished from the club forever as a sad failed enterprise. An organisation that got a nose bleed once it got over 2000 feet.
This is one time when doing nothing is the right thing in my opinion. |
But that first paragraph patently isn't where you stop. You go much further. Repeatedly.
You're even going to the trouble of misquoting me now to further your agenda. [Post edited 3 Feb 2021 13:18]
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| Badlands on 13:44 - Feb 3 with 1288 views | swancity |
| Badlands on 13:10 - Feb 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
People asking questions about the dubious Trust strategy will have their credential questioned. I understand this. You are wrong about this and pretty rude in fact but that is not important. You are safe and snug in the flock of the majortiy view.
My opinion. (including some new aspects)
I have presented a financial case and recieved no sensibe answers. Chief says the Trust will never be able to sell their shares on the open market. This is not true in my opinion. Plenty of investors are happy to buy a non controlling interest. Kaplan and Levien have made plenty of money for investors in DC united even building a new Stadium part paid for by Opel. The value of their club is $330m. It takes hundred of millions to join the MLS so any buyer would have to buy and existing club to avoid joining fees which are massive. Silverstein is one who trusts them and his influence (i suspect) is there for all to see. ("cash dumping" Chief called it ).
UK football compared to other businesses has proven remarkably robust. Swansea has picked off two full US international and a hot Engand u20 prospect for relative pennies.
The Trust holding their shares for the next 3-4 seasons is in the interest of the Trust and its members. Football club prices are rising not falling. The Trust can easily absorb any dilution of their shares because the inflation rate is higher than the dilution rate. The US people will have to pump tens of millions into the club to seriously dilute the Trust. This would actually be good for the club not bad. Morris and Arriola are being paid for by the Trust being diluted if the CLN is turned into equity is one way of looking at it.
The Trust selling their shares at 2016 prices will be selling at half the current PL potential price. After fees they will be getting one third of the PL price. The Trust will be losers. The winners will be whoever buys the shares (The sellers / The US people) and the funders insurers, legal people managing the case.
My argument says that the sellers will be the ones who benefit from a court case (probably a settlement out of court) so I am arguing against the 'vested interests' you accuse me of being quite unfairly. I suspect you are now completely confused but that is because you pobably do not have a trained analytical mind perhaps with respect. Chief has attempted stoutly to defend legal action aided by a red herring or two tossed to him.
Again. Why is the Trust going to court to sell thier shares at 2016 prices (half PL price) for £13-14m afters fees , with Swansea challenging every year to return there for a £42m payday? Have my Welsh comrades lost the ability to wheel and deal? The Trust can sell their shares at any time to anyone and a price determined by them. They do not need Americans to sell for them.
Their strategy has had its 'pants pulled down' by dithereing for FIVE YEARS, football inflation Covid and Steve Cooper doing a brilliant job.
I am truly shocked that not one of the 1200 Trust member have any interest in this and that is why they will be banished from the club forever as a sad failed enterprise. An organisation that got a nose bleed once it got over 2000 feet.
This is one time when doing nothing is the right thing in my opinion. |
Can I ask who you are please ?
As that might well explain the reason for your attempts to discredit the Trust and to block off any pending legal action
A personal message will be fine if preferred (in strictest confidence) | |
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| Badlands on 14:09 - Feb 3 with 1273 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Badlands on 13:16 - Feb 3 by Chief |
But that first paragraph patently isn't where you stop. You go much further. Repeatedly.
You're even going to the trouble of misquoting me now to further your agenda. [Post edited 3 Feb 2021 13:18]
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Your only semi credible argument is that the US people could change the ownership of the club by selling their holding company in the USA and the Trust would have no say and no benefit in this.
That is true of course but it is the 'slings and arrows' of being an investor. Has it suddenly come as a surprise? If they were worried about this they would have put themselves up for sale some years ago and reduced their risk.
The Trust are now 18 years old. Uncle Huw kept an eye out for them for 15 years but they are full grown adults and need to get a job. The family business is going very well but the 18 year old is showing no signs of being man enough to stay invloved and make any sort of positive contribution, sadly. The 18 year old wants half the money now and join an rock and roll band. | |
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| Badlands on 14:18 - Feb 3 with 1266 views | Chief |
| Badlands on 14:09 - Feb 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Your only semi credible argument is that the US people could change the ownership of the club by selling their holding company in the USA and the Trust would have no say and no benefit in this.
That is true of course but it is the 'slings and arrows' of being an investor. Has it suddenly come as a surprise? If they were worried about this they would have put themselves up for sale some years ago and reduced their risk.
The Trust are now 18 years old. Uncle Huw kept an eye out for them for 15 years but they are full grown adults and need to get a job. The family business is going very well but the 18 year old is showing no signs of being man enough to stay invloved and make any sort of positive contribution, sadly. The 18 year old wants half the money now and join an rock and roll band. |
Well that first paragraph is entirely factual. And entirely credible and realistic.
No it obviously hasn't come as a surprise seeing as they began the negotiations then the legal process a while ago. And when they were shareholders alongside the previous owners, there was a shareholders agreement that should have protected them.
See, why is there need to be condescending? There's no actual content in that last paragraph. Just abuse basically.
You're proving everyone's point. These repeated posts, the swipes, the twisting of every little event to put the trust in a bad light. Literally everyday. These aren't the actions of a normal fan. Coming across as a personal gripe. [Post edited 3 Feb 2021 14:25]
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| Badlands on 16:16 - Feb 3 with 1227 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Badlands on 14:18 - Feb 3 by Chief |
Well that first paragraph is entirely factual. And entirely credible and realistic.
No it obviously hasn't come as a surprise seeing as they began the negotiations then the legal process a while ago. And when they were shareholders alongside the previous owners, there was a shareholders agreement that should have protected them.
See, why is there need to be condescending? There's no actual content in that last paragraph. Just abuse basically.
You're proving everyone's point. These repeated posts, the swipes, the twisting of every little event to put the trust in a bad light. Literally everyday. These aren't the actions of a normal fan. Coming across as a personal gripe. [Post edited 3 Feb 2021 14:25]
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I believe I have made convincing case against legal action for a forced sale at 2016 prices and my arguments are free for use by any member that wants to use them to question the actions of the Trust leadership.
I have answered all your doubts and questions in good faith. In order to help the readers and membership I have made a few anologies to trigger some understanding without confusing figures and rhetoric.
Of course all my concerns would be wiped away by the good old fashioned taking of independent financial strategy advice with recomendations. Why not? Its a very big call. [Post edited 3 Feb 2021 16:17]
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| Badlands on 16:44 - Feb 3 with 1212 views | Chief |
| Badlands on 16:16 - Feb 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I believe I have made convincing case against legal action for a forced sale at 2016 prices and my arguments are free for use by any member that wants to use them to question the actions of the Trust leadership.
I have answered all your doubts and questions in good faith. In order to help the readers and membership I have made a few anologies to trigger some understanding without confusing figures and rhetoric.
Of course all my concerns would be wiped away by the good old fashioned taking of independent financial strategy advice with recomendations. Why not? Its a very big call. [Post edited 3 Feb 2021 16:17]
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The trust has a mandate for legal action and that is ongoing. Maybe once the case is concluded looking for financial expertise might be an idea, but doing that now and delaying the already protracted legal action when members are already understandably restless shouldn't be an option. | |
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| Badlands on 18:30 - Feb 27 with 1094 views | raynor94 |
Nothing changes sadly |  |
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| Badlands on 20:01 - Feb 27 with 1064 views | swancity |
Rarely do you come across genuine supporters who thrive on seeing us lose so that the defeat supports their invented theories that have no foundation or substance in the first place.
Fortunately we don’t have many of those as most of us just want our team / club to do well. Today was a turnaround that I don’t ever recall seeing before. They had NO GOAL ATTEMPTS either on target or not in the first half to our ten or 11. We played as well as any Swansea team have played for quite a few years today but sadly it was only for the first half. Some sloppy defending and very poor goalkeeping after half time and one of two muppets try to blame our manager. You couldn’t make it up if you tried.
Get behind our team fellas. Try to cut out the negative crap. There’s just no need for it. Perspective. Always. | |
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| Badlands on 20:23 - Feb 27 with 1047 views | AndyCole |
| Badlands on 20:01 - Feb 27 by swancity |
Rarely do you come across genuine supporters who thrive on seeing us lose so that the defeat supports their invented theories that have no foundation or substance in the first place.
Fortunately we don’t have many of those as most of us just want our team / club to do well. Today was a turnaround that I don’t ever recall seeing before. They had NO GOAL ATTEMPTS either on target or not in the first half to our ten or 11. We played as well as any Swansea team have played for quite a few years today but sadly it was only for the first half. Some sloppy defending and very poor goalkeeping after half time and one of two muppets try to blame our manager. You couldn’t make it up if you tried.
Get behind our team fellas. Try to cut out the negative crap. There’s just no need for it. Perspective. Always. |
You're right and one or two of those muppets are embarrassingly miserable, especially on days like today.
However to single out a poster (Badlands in this case) and start a thread attacking one of our own in this way just ain't cricket is it.
Stinks of the bad old days. | |
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| Badlands on 20:36 - Feb 27 with 1031 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Badlands on 20:23 - Feb 27 by AndyCole |
You're right and one or two of those muppets are embarrassingly miserable, especially on days like today.
However to single out a poster (Badlands in this case) and start a thread attacking one of our own in this way just ain't cricket is it.
Stinks of the bad old days. |
You are one of the thickest posters I have seen and I have posted on these forums during the years you had never ever heard of us and still supported Man Utd. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 20:39]
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| Badlands on 20:47 - Feb 27 with 1023 views | raynor94 |
| Badlands on 20:23 - Feb 27 by AndyCole |
You're right and one or two of those muppets are embarrassingly miserable, especially on days like today.
However to single out a poster (Badlands in this case) and start a thread attacking one of our own in this way just ain't cricket is it.
Stinks of the bad old days. |
I think you need to read the thread from the beginning, yes I bumped it, because on another thread he couldn't wait to put the boot in.
I have posted on this site for nigh on twenty years, what are the bad old days you allude too? | |
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| Badlands on 20:53 - Feb 27 with 1017 views | AndyCole |
| Badlands on 20:36 - Feb 27 by 34dfgdf54 |
You are one of the thickest posters I have seen and I have posted on these forums during the years you had never ever heard of us and still supported Man Utd. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 20:39]
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Pot kettle big time fella.
Another one of your sentences that doesn't make sense. Not thinking clearly under pressure again are you.
A grown up who still says "Should Of" says it all. Thick as heck. Will leave it and you there. | |
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| Badlands on 21:35 - Feb 27 with 992 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Badlands on 20:53 - Feb 27 by AndyCole |
Pot kettle big time fella.
Another one of your sentences that doesn't make sense. Not thinking clearly under pressure again are you.
A grown up who still says "Should Of" says it all. Thick as heck. Will leave it and you there. |
You haven’t got a clue about this sport young fella, keep watching Man Utd documentaries you may pick a few things up. | | | |
| Badlands on 21:37 - Feb 27 with 988 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Of course he isn’t a fan. There are a few that aren’t.
But Badlands is a Cardiff fan, pretending to be a Swansea fan I always thought. I don’t see anything to suggest that isn’t the case. |  |
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| Badlands on 21:39 - Feb 27 with 988 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Badlands on 21:37 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course he isn’t a fan. There are a few that aren’t.
But Badlands is a Cardiff fan, pretending to be a Swansea fan I always thought. I don’t see anything to suggest that isn’t the case. |
Nah he ain’t. And you know it. [Post edited 28 Feb 2021 10:04]
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| Badlands on 22:00 - Feb 27 with 975 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Badlands on 21:39 - Feb 27 by 34dfgdf54 |
Nah he ain’t. And you know it. [Post edited 28 Feb 2021 10:04]
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I think he is my Blainey sweet.
You will have to prove to me otherwise. | |
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| Badlands on 07:11 - Feb 28 with 927 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Badlands on 22:00 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think he is my Blainey sweet.
You will have to prove to me otherwise. |
I don’t have to prove anything, he’ll do it for me. | | | |
| Badlands on 07:44 - Feb 28 with 917 views | BillyChong |
| Badlands on 13:10 - Feb 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
People asking questions about the dubious Trust strategy will have their credential questioned. I understand this. You are wrong about this and pretty rude in fact but that is not important. You are safe and snug in the flock of the majortiy view.
My opinion. (including some new aspects)
I have presented a financial case and recieved no sensibe answers. Chief says the Trust will never be able to sell their shares on the open market. This is not true in my opinion. Plenty of investors are happy to buy a non controlling interest. Kaplan and Levien have made plenty of money for investors in DC united even building a new Stadium part paid for by Opel. The value of their club is $330m. It takes hundred of millions to join the MLS so any buyer would have to buy and existing club to avoid joining fees which are massive. Silverstein is one who trusts them and his influence (i suspect) is there for all to see. ("cash dumping" Chief called it ).
UK football compared to other businesses has proven remarkably robust. Swansea has picked off two full US international and a hot Engand u20 prospect for relative pennies.
The Trust holding their shares for the next 3-4 seasons is in the interest of the Trust and its members. Football club prices are rising not falling. The Trust can easily absorb any dilution of their shares because the inflation rate is higher than the dilution rate. The US people will have to pump tens of millions into the club to seriously dilute the Trust. This would actually be good for the club not bad. Morris and Arriola are being paid for by the Trust being diluted if the CLN is turned into equity is one way of looking at it.
The Trust selling their shares at 2016 prices will be selling at half the current PL potential price. After fees they will be getting one third of the PL price. The Trust will be losers. The winners will be whoever buys the shares (The sellers / The US people) and the funders insurers, legal people managing the case.
My argument says that the sellers will be the ones who benefit from a court case (probably a settlement out of court) so I am arguing against the 'vested interests' you accuse me of being quite unfairly. I suspect you are now completely confused but that is because you pobably do not have a trained analytical mind perhaps with respect. Chief has attempted stoutly to defend legal action aided by a red herring or two tossed to him.
Again. Why is the Trust going to court to sell thier shares at 2016 prices (half PL price) for £13-14m afters fees , with Swansea challenging every year to return there for a £42m payday? Have my Welsh comrades lost the ability to wheel and deal? The Trust can sell their shares at any time to anyone and a price determined by them. They do not need Americans to sell for them.
Their strategy has had its 'pants pulled down' by dithereing for FIVE YEARS, football inflation Covid and Steve Cooper doing a brilliant job.
I am truly shocked that not one of the 1200 Trust member have any interest in this and that is why they will be banished from the club forever as a sad failed enterprise. An organisation that got a nose bleed once it got over 2000 feet.
This is one time when doing nothing is the right thing in my opinion. |
The Trust didn’t dither, they waited an age for the socially distanced yanks to reply to requests for mediation. Find out the facts my friend, it may make your arguments sound just a little more than the absolute tosh they do at present. Maybe meet up with your old pal Dineen again, he seemed to steer things for you. | | | |
| Badlands on 07:47 - Feb 28 with 917 views | BillyChong |
| Badlands on 15:29 - Feb 2 by vetchonian |
What does this have to do with the original posting on this thread
Brian Conly described you well its a puppet |
Yes, search previous posts under a different username re: a meeting with Dineen. A sponsored puppet even, maybe. | | | |
| Badlands on 09:45 - Feb 28 with 882 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Badlands on 11:46 - Feb 1 by Badlands |
A fan since 1959.
Season ticket holder since the move to the Liberty (not needed to stand at the Vetch)
Don't go to a lot of away matches now (4 -5 a season)
Travelled to Spain, Sweden, Italy and Romania in the UEFA Cup and to Austria, Netherlands and Portugal / Spain for pre-seasons. Didn't go go to the USA because it conflicted with work, it was too far and ... it was the USA.
I marched against Petty and put more than a few quid into supporting the take over and the Trust.
I don't 'hate' the manager I just don't think he's anywhere near as good as some fans think he is; is no where near as good as the players at his disposal and appears quite limited. I got hammered for criticising Monk and Bradley.
I appreciate quick passing, possession football, entertaining football and dislike hoofball, managers blaming others while claiming credit when they go well.
I am not keen on people whining on about who sold what to whom and for how much.
I'd love us to be in the premier league and doing well, i'm not happy being in the premier league and struggling.
If you don't like what I write ignore me ... but to start a malicious thread about a single member of this forum says far more about you than me. |
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| Badlands on 14:15 - Mar 1 with 799 views | onehunglow |
Why do YOU single badlands out?
Why? To somehow pillory somebody who sees matters differently to you.That is your yardstick.Is it not.
You are prepared to accept any old dross masquerading as "support" or "positive" when it is abject drivel. You are the very worse type of "fan" Without exception. You are incapable of discourse ,in a pub you would be challenged and confronted but on here you are safe.
You have of late posted personal crap which I'm surprised you have gotten away with.
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