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Just wondering who's the indigenous population community leaders and is anyone listening to their concerns for example . This should be an all party conversation and I find it hypocritical that we have PM and deputy who were quite happy to take the knee , along with police officers when we had the ridiculous protests when Floyd died , this even after civil disobedience and destruction of property .Two tier in nearly everything nowadays , IMO of course,
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Community leaders on 13:19 - Aug 8 with 1221 views
I’ve had to switch the news off I seem to be somewhat detached We are seeing utter hypocrisy The refugee supporters though do seem frightfully well spoken . Seems the plebs ,the working classes are the ones causing strife .
I’ve had to switch the news off I seem to be somewhat detached We are seeing utter hypocrisy The refugee supporters though do seem frightfully well spoken . Seems the plebs ,the working classes are the ones causing strife .
As I've posted before I condemn the attacks on anyone regardless of their colour creed or whatever else distinguishers themselves from others , but lets hope that one day that someone with a mental capacity to see all sides of the arguments will come to the forefront of UK politics. The narrative to the reasons why we've had these disturbances has now become lost in the rhetoric of those who have their own agendas to for fill. I have to say I've not watched not more that 5 minutes of the rioting ,why would I ,to watch a country tear itself apart is not my idea of family viewing .
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Community leaders on 19:29 - Aug 8 with 1142 views
As I've posted before I condemn the attacks on anyone regardless of their colour creed or whatever else distinguishers themselves from others , but lets hope that one day that someone with a mental capacity to see all sides of the arguments will come to the forefront of UK politics. The narrative to the reasons why we've had these disturbances has now become lost in the rhetoric of those who have their own agendas to for fill. I have to say I've not watched not more that 5 minutes of the rioting ,why would I ,to watch a country tear itself apart is not my idea of family viewing .
The politicins have created this problem and now they wantto blame anybody else. If there's right wing racists there it makes the blame gane even easier.
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Community leaders on 19:36 - Aug 8 with 1135 views
As I've posted before I condemn the attacks on anyone regardless of their colour creed or whatever else distinguishers themselves from others , but lets hope that one day that someone with a mental capacity to see all sides of the arguments will come to the forefront of UK politics. The narrative to the reasons why we've had these disturbances has now become lost in the rhetoric of those who have their own agendas to for fill. I have to say I've not watched not more that 5 minutes of the rioting ,why would I ,to watch a country tear itself apart is not my idea of family viewing .
Yep I’m sick of saying it too. When the BLM mob rioted and looted and smashed things up and climbed and scribbled all over the Cenotaph they were celebrated and completely exonerated of any blame. Anyone and everyone acting like that, committing criminal damage or violence should be smashed by the law. You can’t let some get away with it scot free whilst punishing others. It has to be equal.
Who are the indigenous population’s community leaders?
Is the OP suggesting that the politicians - who might take this role - do not actually speak for the indigenous community (a term I suppose some will question, but most of us understand)? I guess you might say the same about Archbishops and leaders of major UK NGOs.
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Community leaders on 21:21 - Aug 8 with 1042 views
Is the OP suggesting that the politicians - who might take this role - do not actually speak for the indigenous community (a term I suppose some will question, but most of us understand)? I guess you might say the same about Archbishops and leaders of major UK NGOs.
I really don’t know.
We’re pretty much a secular country now so I don’t see at being the church.
And you’re right, I have no idea what indigenous community means.
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Community leaders on 22:04 - Aug 8 with 1001 views
Is the OP suggesting that the politicians - who might take this role - do not actually speak for the indigenous community (a term I suppose some will question, but most of us understand)? I guess you might say the same about Archbishops and leaders of major UK NGOs.
Perhaps this gentleman could be that very person , someone who is willing to speak up for the silent and still but for a short time only, majority. Listening to the figures he makes reference to then all I can say I'm glad my race is nearly run , pun intended
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"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
I still don’t know from a British point of view who’d they’d be and who they’d represent.
Who counts as having ancestral ties to the land?
I’m genuinely not trying to be facetious. We’re a nation based in immigration so I can’t work out where it starts.
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There has been a trickle of immigration into the British Isles for most of recorded history, but actually there was considerable population stability in recent centuries. If you look at the percentage of the population who were foreign born it was less than 2% until the start of the 1930s. By 1970 it was over 6%, by 1990 over 7%, and is now around 17%. So there is a large population group who have noticed a change in their lifetime. In the small country town where I grew up, I cannot recall any non-white faces in school. There were a couple of families of Polish and German origin who had come to the UK during or after WW2. More generally in the cities, Irish born persons were a large part of the non-UK born population (after the RoI was formed). So I would say for many older people the indigenous population means the kind of people they went to school with and grew up alongside.
There has been a trickle of immigration into the British Isles for most of recorded history, but actually there was considerable population stability in recent centuries. If you look at the percentage of the population who were foreign born it was less than 2% until the start of the 1930s. By 1970 it was over 6%, by 1990 over 7%, and is now around 17%. So there is a large population group who have noticed a change in their lifetime. In the small country town where I grew up, I cannot recall any non-white faces in school. There were a couple of families of Polish and German origin who had come to the UK during or after WW2. More generally in the cities, Irish born persons were a large part of the non-UK born population (after the RoI was formed). So I would say for many older people the indigenous population means the kind of people they went to school with and grew up alongside.
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If people count as indigenous as the most new they went to school with I don’t this that fits with the above given definition.
I don’t think (in this case as opposed to aboriginals, native Americans, Inuits etc.) it’s a helpful term.
Apparently we all know what it means but nobody can really define it.
If people count as indigenous as the most new they went to school with I don’t this that fits with the above given definition.
I don’t think (in this case as opposed to aboriginals, native Americans, Inuits etc.) it’s a helpful term.
Apparently we all know what it means but nobody can really define it.
I'm not sure why you say that. The definition in the thread mentions social and cultural groups, and culture is transmitted through the socialisation process, including being educated and growing up within a cohort of people in a similar situation. In a period when a very small proportion of the population was foreign born, people did tend to have connections over time with their localities and who owned what. We argued long ago about whether culture is something that applies only to distant exotic peoples or our own society as well. Anyway, I hope we can disagree amicably and will not string this out.
I'm not sure why you say that. The definition in the thread mentions social and cultural groups, and culture is transmitted through the socialisation process, including being educated and growing up within a cohort of people in a similar situation. In a period when a very small proportion of the population was foreign born, people did tend to have connections over time with their localities and who owned what. We argued long ago about whether culture is something that applies only to distant exotic peoples or our own society as well. Anyway, I hope we can disagree amicably and will not string this out.
I’m sure we can 👍.
I won’t string this out but I’m curious to see what others think being an indigenous Britain starts.
Romans? Vikings? Anglo Saxons? Norman’s? Hugauenots? Beaker Folk? Immigration from the Commenwealth?
If your definition (which I think it is) is anyone who comes here and either assimilates or adds to our culture then I think that’s brilliant.
I won’t string this out but I’m curious to see what others think being an indigenous Britain starts.
Romans? Vikings? Anglo Saxons? Norman’s? Hugauenots? Beaker Folk? Immigration from the Commenwealth?
If your definition (which I think it is) is anyone who comes here and either assimilates or adds to our culture then I think that’s brilliant.
I hope everyone would see it like that.
Indigenous is just a state of mind really if it even exists at all. I mean the royal family has undeniably “ancient ancestral links to this land” and are considered the most inbred family on the planet but they are also German, Greek, danish, French etc. I don’t see them as any more or less British than anyone else who has come here with links from elsewhere who does show a certain appreciation of the country, pride in the culture and opportunities it offers.
I think the term indigenous is one of these buzz words that are chucked around willy nilly.
There has been a trickle of immigration into the British Isles for most of recorded history, but actually there was considerable population stability in recent centuries. If you look at the percentage of the population who were foreign born it was less than 2% until the start of the 1930s. By 1970 it was over 6%, by 1990 over 7%, and is now around 17%. So there is a large population group who have noticed a change in their lifetime. In the small country town where I grew up, I cannot recall any non-white faces in school. There were a couple of families of Polish and German origin who had come to the UK during or after WW2. More generally in the cities, Irish born persons were a large part of the non-UK born population (after the RoI was formed). So I would say for many older people the indigenous population means the kind of people they went to school with and grew up alongside.
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A trickle is more than manageable. Even with the great conquests the numbers were relatively small. William the bastard arrived with his invasion fleet, kicked Harry’s butt and harried the north with 7000 men. We have had over double that coming in on small boats alone in just 7 months of 2024.
A trickle is more than manageable. Even with the great conquests the numbers were relatively small. William the bastard arrived with his invasion fleet, kicked Harry’s butt and harried the north with 7000 men. We have had over double that coming in on small boats alone in just 7 months of 2024.
The numbers are staggering.
Another angle on this comes from the following book.
The research shows that although the invasions brought cultural change they did not greatly change the genetic makeup of the bulk of the population. Interestingly, it shows a genetic split between the English and the Celts in Wales, Scotland and Ireland that is thousands of years older than previously assumed, and has changed little over time. Presumably the pace of change may recently have quickened.
The research shows that although the invasions brought cultural change they did not greatly change the genetic makeup of the bulk of the population. Interestingly, it shows a genetic split between the English and the Celts in Wales, Scotland and Ireland that is thousands of years older than previously assumed, and has changed little over time. Presumably the pace of change may recently have quickened.
Read the blurb.
Doesn’t it talk more about genetics than culture?
Maybe the numbers didn’t dilute the gene pool, but the impact on the church, language, food and drink etc. would have been enormous.
Maybe the numbers didn’t dilute the gene pool, but the impact on the church, language, food and drink etc. would have been enormous.
Yes, the book does suggest that the impact on culture was very significant, but I thought the argument about genetics supported J's point that the number of people coming in was quite small, so that a large section of the existing population remained and reproduced as before, even if their way of life changed. I will butt out as I wanted to see what others thought.
Indigenous is just a state of mind really if it even exists at all. I mean the royal family has undeniably “ancient ancestral links to this land” and are considered the most inbred family on the planet but they are also German, Greek, danish, French etc. I don’t see them as any more or less British than anyone else who has come here with links from elsewhere who does show a certain appreciation of the country, pride in the culture and opportunities it offers.
I think the term indigenous is one of these buzz words that are chucked around willy nilly.
Aren't Willy & Nilly indigenous names?
We are the first Welsh club to reach the Premier League Simples
Indigenous is just a state of mind really if it even exists at all. I mean the royal family has undeniably “ancient ancestral links to this land” and are considered the most inbred family on the planet but they are also German, Greek, danish, French etc. I don’t see them as any more or less British than anyone else who has come here with links from elsewhere who does show a certain appreciation of the country, pride in the culture and opportunities it offers.
I think the term indigenous is one of these buzz words that are chucked around willy nilly.
havne't indigenous populations been destroyed by invaders, over run by immigrants and are now just a dostant memory. There are still a few left of true indigenous nature, American Indians, aborigines etc. But for the mst par people in every country these days are nothing more than Cross breeds, mongrels if you like.
Any one of us could do a DNA test and find out we are a big mix of DNA from across the world.
Many Welsh people have Germanic and Spanish blood, thank the Romans.
havne't indigenous populations been destroyed by invaders, over run by immigrants and are now just a dostant memory. There are still a few left of true indigenous nature, American Indians, aborigines etc. But for the mst par people in every country these days are nothing more than Cross breeds, mongrels if you like.
Any one of us could do a DNA test and find out we are a big mix of DNA from across the world.
Many Welsh people have Germanic and Spanish blood, thank the Romans.
But that is the surprise finding of the research I mentioned above, the DNA of most people in the British Isles is less of a mix than many had predicted - there is a surprising degree of genetic stability. I think this will only have started to change as the percentage of foreign-born residents increased after the 1990s.
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