| A question 09:51 - Feb 7 with 6868 views | Boundy |
Ask yourselves this and please respond if you wish
Why would an investment group purchase a football Club in another country with no previous even tenuous connections to that Club ?
If you're not sure then consider this and within that group a set of individuals who may have more money than they know what to do with other than to make more |  |
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| A question on 21:42 - Feb 8 with 728 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| A question on 21:37 - Feb 8 by Whiterockin |
So is the problem the manager, the owner or both. Potter was not happy with the owners and left as did Cooper, both have progressed. I would say both are the issue but we need to deal with the owners, because if they stay we will never have progressive successful managers. |
Potter wanted them to pay £7m for Ryan Woods.
Who? Ryan Woods. His career fell of a cliff at Stoke. Potter's man brought in 3 nobodies and a player Cooper binned. John, Asoro and McKay and Celina who at least offered something. |  |
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| A question on 21:42 - Feb 8 with 728 views | vetchonian |
| A question on 21:37 - Feb 8 by Whiterockin |
So is the problem the manager, the owner or both. Potter was not happy with the owners and left as did Cooper, both have progressed. I would say both are the issue but we need to deal with the owners, because if they stay we will never have progressive successful managers. |
So ok how do we deal with the owners?
Run them out of town?
What happens then? | |
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| A question on 21:45 - Feb 8 with 709 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:02 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
You can twait to start a thread when Forest are getting beaten....I only repsonded as you brought up Forest |
I don't honestly care what happens in any other game, ncludimg Cardiff, except when the result affects Swans.
For example I just watched Sunderland v Fulham.
Enjoyed the game and wanted Fulham to win, but will forget about it as soon as the TV goes off.
Likewise with Forest and Cooper, I really do not care how they do, except again if it affects Swans.
It amazes me how a few Swans fans, particularly yourself and Dr P, seem to trumpet Forest and Cooper at every opportunity?
Perhaps if you and Dr P didn't respond each and every time? I wouldn't post about Forest ? |  |
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| A question on 21:45 - Feb 8 with 692 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 21:42 - Feb 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Potter wanted them to pay £7m for Ryan Woods.
Who? Ryan Woods. His career fell of a cliff at Stoke. Potter's man brought in 3 nobodies and a player Cooper binned. John, Asoro and McKay and Celina who at least offered something. |
Indeed.
To say the owners haven’t backed their managers is just demonstrably false.
Again, it’s simply blame shifting from an ever increasingly creepy cult.
Martin leaving not only would benefit the playing side, but destroying this cult is better for all involved. It’s utterly bizarre. [Post edited 8 Feb 2023 21:49]
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| A question on 21:47 - Feb 8 with 679 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 21:45 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
I don't honestly care what happens in any other game, ncludimg Cardiff, except when the result affects Swans.
For example I just watched Sunderland v Fulham.
Enjoyed the game and wanted Fulham to win, but will forget about it as soon as the TV goes off.
Likewise with Forest and Cooper, I really do not care how they do, except again if it affects Swans.
It amazes me how a few Swans fans, particularly yourself and Dr P, seem to trumpet Forest and Cooper at every opportunity?
Perhaps if you and Dr P didn't respond each and every time? I wouldn't post about Forest ? |
“ Perhaps if you and Dr P didn't respond each and every time? I wouldn't post about Forest ?”
So you are admitting trolling and attention seeking?
Isn’t this why you were made to put your target on ignore only to disrespect the site by ignoring and doing the opposite only to continue your strange crusade?
Surely you have more interesting things to do than try and get peoples attention? | |
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| A question on 21:49 - Feb 8 with 692 views | vetchonian |
| A question on 21:45 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
I don't honestly care what happens in any other game, ncludimg Cardiff, except when the result affects Swans.
For example I just watched Sunderland v Fulham.
Enjoyed the game and wanted Fulham to win, but will forget about it as soon as the TV goes off.
Likewise with Forest and Cooper, I really do not care how they do, except again if it affects Swans.
It amazes me how a few Swans fans, particularly yourself and Dr P, seem to trumpet Forest and Cooper at every opportunity?
Perhaps if you and Dr P didn't respond each and every time? I wouldn't post about Forest ? |
Lets forget Cooper shall we lets discuss the merits of Martin managment how did our owners influence our managers game managment on Saturday total cock up on the use of subs no use of experience in Naughton....OR were Jase ,Steve and Jake telling him via a ear piece what to do? | |
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| A question on 21:51 - Feb 8 with 678 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:03 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Stop moaning about it then. |
Moaning about what specifically?
Think you will find most of my threads are upbeat, lighthearted or at worst conciliatory? | |
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| A question on 21:54 - Feb 8 with 669 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:10 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
OK
The owners should never have let HJ continue with the autonomy he had
The ownership are guilty of appoinitng the manager and should have called him to task way before now
What has he achieved during his 18 moth reign his two immediate predecessors managed an FA cup quarter final where we were robbed of a win and two play off scenarios.
Martin has achieved zilch midtable mediocrity, appears to have upset players, and "refused" to even play some signings
The manager has failed in his game management on numerous occasions snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the dying minutes of far too many games! |
Fair answer
Thank you | |
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| A question on 21:55 - Feb 8 with 650 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 21:49 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
Lets forget Cooper shall we lets discuss the merits of Martin managment how did our owners influence our managers game managment on Saturday total cock up on the use of subs no use of experience in Naughton....OR were Jase ,Steve and Jake telling him via a ear piece what to do? |
Martins game management is the worst I’ve seen at any level.
I don’t think I’ve witnessed so many injury time goals against in my Swansea supporting lifetime. Not just that, but sometimes multiple per game.
I believe this season it’s 10, or something to that effect.
That’s in 32 (ish) games.
It was also a theme towards the end of last season. The owners have no control on sorting his woeful and repeated man management mistakes. Having Grant on loan I’m afraid still means he doesn’t know how to organise a defence, and still makes singular subs in 3 separate sub windows, without thinking of the potential consequences.
January has provided a very convenient excuse for a lot of people, including Martin, who happily threw the club under the bus to try and deflect it.
It may have held water with some people too until he utterly cocked up in every possible way in the very next game exposing the true issues behind where we find ourselves. The bloke is so incompetent he couldn’t even successfully manage to navigate 1 game in order to complete the blame deflecting exercise.
Seems a lovely bloke but anyone not noting that he’s clearly out of his depth at this level hasn’t been paying attention. | |
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| A question on 21:57 - Feb 8 with 646 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 21:51 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
Moaning about what specifically?
Think you will find most of my threads are upbeat, lighthearted or at worst conciliatory? |
Moaning about people talking about Cooper.
You start the threads about him more often than not, or bring him up in general (like now). Then complain about people talking about him.
A bit like when you complain about me, get intentionally take me off ignore to debate with me, which only leads you to complain again.
You create your own issues for attention. | |
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| A question on 21:57 - Feb 8 with 660 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:28 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
I have made various points about Martin
Refer to my comments over his substitutions on Saturday....He could/should have in on sub event brought on an experienced defender in Naughton for Cullen who was tiring and Whittaker for NAtcham adding some pace instead he brought on cundle rejigged and put Oil Cooper at RWB!
Making that change would have left the opportunity to bring on 3 more subs in 2 events.....its not the first ime your idol has mismanaged the game resulting in us snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Im sure Martin is anice man and does work hard but the results show it isnt working and
has nt in his past.....Iv have come across many nice guys who worked hard in my career but the results show their ineptness at their jobs....being nice and hard working doesnt always equate to success
Im not an avid fan of our owners but they what we have got......and will be a lot harder to replace than a manager!
We are still in the 2nd tier 5 seasons after falling from the 1st tier, and appear to financially stable.....you like me will remember how things were the last time we fell from the top table within 5 seasons we were back at the bottom....
Maybe the owners have lsot patience with the manager....maybe they decided they were not going to shell out on players he may or may not play....
It wasnt meant as a throwaway remark but apply to comments made about Martin....who as I said may well be a hard working nice man but that doesnt mean he is a good manager |
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| A question on 21:58 - Feb 8 with 642 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 21:47 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
“ Perhaps if you and Dr P didn't respond each and every time? I wouldn't post about Forest ?”
So you are admitting trolling and attention seeking?
Isn’t this why you were made to put your target on ignore only to disrespect the site by ignoring and doing the opposite only to continue your strange crusade?
Surely you have more interesting things to do than try and get peoples attention? |
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| A question on 22:00 - Feb 8 with 654 views | vetchonian |
| A question on 21:55 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Martins game management is the worst I’ve seen at any level.
I don’t think I’ve witnessed so many injury time goals against in my Swansea supporting lifetime. Not just that, but sometimes multiple per game.
I believe this season it’s 10, or something to that effect.
That’s in 32 (ish) games.
It was also a theme towards the end of last season. The owners have no control on sorting his woeful and repeated man management mistakes. Having Grant on loan I’m afraid still means he doesn’t know how to organise a defence, and still makes singular subs in 3 separate sub windows, without thinking of the potential consequences.
January has provided a very convenient excuse for a lot of people, including Martin, who happily threw the club under the bus to try and deflect it.
It may have held water with some people too until he utterly cocked up in every possible way in the very next game exposing the true issues behind where we find ourselves. The bloke is so incompetent he couldn’t even successfully manage to navigate 1 game in order to complete the blame deflecting exercise.
Seems a lovely bloke but anyone not noting that he’s clearly out of his depth at this level hasn’t been paying attention. |
Imagine an manager/coach who payed his football including at PL level as a defender not able to organise a defence.....if you cant coach your specialist subject what hope is there? | |
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| A question on 22:02 - Feb 8 with 649 views | Whiterockin |
| A question on 21:42 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
So ok how do we deal with the owners?
Run them out of town?
What happens then? |
There is not a lot we can do apart from making it clear we are not suckers. You won't get your investment back unless you improve the club on and off the pitch. The balls in your court. |  | | |
| A question on 22:03 - Feb 8 with 637 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 22:00 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
Imagine an manager/coach who payed his football including at PL level as a defender not able to organise a defence.....if you cant coach your specialist subject what hope is there? |
Imagine him making these mistakes in the EPL, with all the punditry and media focus.
He would be absolutely slaughtered for his management in the last game.
I’m sure he puts it down to “bad luck” but it’s nothing of the sort. These things can be planned and mitigated for.
A player having a niggle late on in a game is neither rare nor unlucky. | |
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| A question on 22:05 - Feb 8 with 636 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 22:02 - Feb 8 by Whiterockin |
There is not a lot we can do apart from making it clear we are not suckers. You won't get your investment back unless you improve the club on and off the pitch. The balls in your court. |
Good point.
We should demand they spend millions on players every year, to club record levels.
Demand they support underperforming managers giving them time and patience despite the levels of performance showing little signs of improving.
We should demand they don’t sell our best young players for cheap.
We should demand they keep the club healthy and sustainable.
…. Oh hang on. [Post edited 8 Feb 2023 22:05]
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| A question on 22:13 - Feb 8 with 624 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:40 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
There is a search function at the top, very easy, and you don’t have to be part of those types of platforms to utilise such functions. Technology eh?
What makes you think we are discussing SI users? I’m discussing the whole Swansea fan base that use these descriptive words as a pejorative. Even pushing the myth that they didn’t know you could be relegated, which of course is a lazy trope based on their origin.
Would you like me to use your “Yanks out” thread as evidence?
Although you do have form for these kinds of slurs. |
Perhaps someone should have told the NY Yankees and James Cagney that Yankee is not acceptable?
So are they not Americans or Yanks then?
Anymore than Jenkins, Morgan, Sharpe and Struel were all Welsh or Taffs?j
I think in all honesty the owners dont care less if people call them owners, Americans, Yanks or whatever.
Think you are trying to make too much out of what a minority may have said.
I think others off the forum may have called them a lot worse, even without mentioning their natonality
As for taking offense, good job many of us on here do not care about you describing some of your fellow posters as morons ( not directly at one person of course ) | |
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| A question on 22:16 - Feb 8 with 619 views | vetchonian |
| A question on 22:13 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
Perhaps someone should have told the NY Yankees and James Cagney that Yankee is not acceptable?
So are they not Americans or Yanks then?
Anymore than Jenkins, Morgan, Sharpe and Struel were all Welsh or Taffs?j
I think in all honesty the owners dont care less if people call them owners, Americans, Yanks or whatever.
Think you are trying to make too much out of what a minority may have said.
I think others off the forum may have called them a lot worse, even without mentioning their natonality
As for taking offense, good job many of us on here do not care about you describing some of your fellow posters as morons ( not directly at one person of course ) |
thats ok I have been called a muppet but apparantly thats was ok | |
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| A question on 22:23 - Feb 8 with 598 views | vetchonian |
| A question on 22:02 - Feb 8 by Whiterockin |
There is not a lot we can do apart from making it clear we are not suckers. You won't get your investment back unless you improve the club on and off the pitch. The balls in your court. |
And how do we do that?
I lmpw lets all not renew lets reduce the clubs income even further...lets not spend money in the bars etc ( i dont anway it is a rip off but some do0 reducing the income stream even more so fund have to be put in to prop up the genral running of the club reducing any potential spend on players
By the way the manager has an input on thre pitch Saturday clearly showed he ahs a long way to go .....and Ive been patient for 18 monthd | |
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| A question on 22:27 - Feb 8 with 580 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 22:13 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
Perhaps someone should have told the NY Yankees and James Cagney that Yankee is not acceptable?
So are they not Americans or Yanks then?
Anymore than Jenkins, Morgan, Sharpe and Struel were all Welsh or Taffs?j
I think in all honesty the owners dont care less if people call them owners, Americans, Yanks or whatever.
Think you are trying to make too much out of what a minority may have said.
I think others off the forum may have called them a lot worse, even without mentioning their natonality
As for taking offense, good job many of us on here do not care about you describing some of your fellow posters as morons ( not directly at one person of course ) |
A Yankee is an informal name for someone from the New England area, but it’s origin is a a derogatory term for people in the North. They used to be called the highlanders of course, but in the early 1900’s the name Yankees stuck.
But that’s an outdated term they have taken on and adorned, a bit like some rappers favourite term perhaps, however the words offensive nature doesn’t alter when used by others outside of that demographic.
It’s a brand that cannot be changed without huge financial impact, so it will stay.
They are indeed Americans, but using that term to go before “owners” every-time when used in a derogatory sense is a slur. Especially when accompanied with lazy tropes like “they didn’t know relegation was a thing”.
Would you think it a racist comment if I said “African idiot, go back to Africa” to Bony? Would a response of “is he not African then?” be enough to absolve me?
How about if someone was saying something about someone’s skin as a way to insult them? If the response was “well is he not black then?” - would that suffice?
Of course not.
There are a lot of morons in our fan base apparently, but I’ll happily stand by that. I suggest you don’t stand by xenophobia. [Post edited 8 Feb 2023 22:32]
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| A question on 22:31 - Feb 8 with 559 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I’d also make a point that if Russell Martin was American and displayed the exact same level of performance, he would be public enemy number 1 and run out of town by now.
In fact I’m certain that would be the case. | |
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| A question on 22:31 - Feb 8 with 562 views | Whiterockin |
| A question on 22:23 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
And how do we do that?
I lmpw lets all not renew lets reduce the clubs income even further...lets not spend money in the bars etc ( i dont anway it is a rip off but some do0 reducing the income stream even more so fund have to be put in to prop up the genral running of the club reducing any potential spend on players
By the way the manager has an input on thre pitch Saturday clearly showed he ahs a long way to go .....and Ive been patient for 18 monthd |
If you think reducing the owners income for 12 months will achieve anything you are very nieve, they will just write it off against tax. | | | |
| A question on 22:34 - Feb 8 with 555 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 22:31 - Feb 8 by Whiterockin |
If you think reducing the owners income for 12 months will achieve anything you are very nieve, they will just write it off against tax. |
And if you think you can convince people that they are bad owners you are very nieve (sic).
The facts suggest the opposite. | |
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| A question on 22:43 - Feb 8 with 546 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:47 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
“ Perhaps if you and Dr P didn't respond each and every time? I wouldn't post about Forest ?”
So you are admitting trolling and attention seeking?
Isn’t this why you were made to put your target on ignore only to disrespect the site by ignoring and doing the opposite only to continue your strange crusade?
Surely you have more interesting things to do than try and get peoples attention? |
Was never made to put anyone on ignore.
Please don't try and stir again.
As I told you I chose to put you on ignore, then after a suitable time decided to take you off.
If my posting about Forest upsets you so much, then why don't you put me on ignore?
At the end of the day it is no different to the banter which many millions of posters on all the different social media platforms exchange daily without any recourse for anyone taking offence ( of course you wouldn't know as you previously stated you do not partake in Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc).
Perhaps if you didn't take mine and others posts seriously all the time, you would see it is not trolling and attention seeking, but just a little fun.
Maybe lighten up a little ? | |
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| A question on 22:48 - Feb 8 with 525 views | max936 |
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