| A question 09:51 - Feb 7 with 6869 views | Boundy |
Ask yourselves this and please respond if you wish
Why would an investment group purchase a football Club in another country with no previous even tenuous connections to that Club ?
If you're not sure then consider this and within that group a set of individuals who may have more money than they know what to do with other than to make more |  |
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| A question on 09:56 - Feb 7 with 2900 views | Fireboy2 |
I honestly believe that they thought that the PL was a shut shop like most sports in the good old U S of A, no relegation.
They thought that they would get millions every year and therefore siphon for their 'shareholders' |  | | |
| A question on 10:11 - Feb 7 with 2875 views | Sirjohnalot |
Surely that can’t be right ? Whatever else they are, they’re successful business men and would have carried out due diligence before buying ? |  | | |
| A question on 10:13 - Feb 7 with 2870 views | Boundy |
| A question on 10:11 - Feb 7 by Sirjohnalot |
Surely that can’t be right ? Whatever else they are, they’re successful business men and would have carried out due diligence before buying ? |
Well it's certainly true about no relegation and Jenkins as we know could charm a snake into believing it was cat | |
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| A question on 10:16 - Feb 7 with 2864 views | Dr_Winston |
| A question on 09:56 - Feb 7 by Fireboy2 |
I honestly believe that they thought that the PL was a shut shop like most sports in the good old U S of A, no relegation.
They thought that they would get millions every year and therefore siphon for their 'shareholders' |
I know it's the done thing to mock stupid Americans knowledge of football, but to believe that they'd drop £100m on a football club without at least finding out that relegation exists is just silly.
They made a relatively small investment in a hugely profitable league with revenues rising every year, no doubt in the expectation that they could flip us on to someone else in three or four years for more. I doubt that they even expected an annual return. Just a profit of 50-60% when all was said and done. |  |
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| A question on 10:23 - Feb 7 with 2810 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 09:56 - Feb 7 by Fireboy2 |
I honestly believe that they thought that the PL was a shut shop like most sports in the good old U S of A, no relegation.
They thought that they would get millions every year and therefore siphon for their 'shareholders' |
I lost brain cells reading that.
Literally unbelievable. I have no words. |  |
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| A question on 10:25 - Feb 7 with 2850 views | whiterock |
| A question on 10:16 - Feb 7 by Dr_Winston |
I know it's the done thing to mock stupid Americans knowledge of football, but to believe that they'd drop £100m on a football club without at least finding out that relegation exists is just silly.
They made a relatively small investment in a hugely profitable league with revenues rising every year, no doubt in the expectation that they could flip us on to someone else in three or four years for more. I doubt that they even expected an annual return. Just a profit of 50-60% when all was said and done. |
The good Dr is correct, they knew that there was a chance of relegation and in a club of Swansea's stature, it was a fair to middling chance. They certainly would have done Due Diligence on what relegation meant but backed themselves. Won't be the first, won't be the last. | | | |
| A question on 10:30 - Feb 7 with 2841 views | heatwave |
If you Invest in anything you are expecting a return of profit.
These guys I believe would have been advised to invest in a Premier league club.
Don't know if Swansea was their main target but we became available. |  | | |
| A question on 11:30 - Feb 7 with 2772 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 10:30 - Feb 7 by heatwave |
If you Invest in anything you are expecting a return of profit.
These guys I believe would have been advised to invest in a Premier league club.
Don't know if Swansea was their main target but we became available. |
I agree.
I think they thought they would get a good return.
However it has all gone pear shaped.
Think Huw sold them a kipper |  |
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| A question on 11:55 - Feb 7 with 2743 views | swan65split |
| A question on 11:30 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
I agree.
I think they thought they would get a good return.
However it has all gone pear shaped.
Think Huw sold them a kipper |
Kipper?
They should have gone to Rossis.
Whatever the reason it isn't looking like ending well for us, unless there's a magic wand somewhere. |  | | |
| A question on 13:54 - Feb 7 with 2671 views | Fireboy2 |
| A question on 10:16 - Feb 7 by Dr_Winston |
I know it's the done thing to mock stupid Americans knowledge of football, but to believe that they'd drop £100m on a football club without at least finding out that relegation exists is just silly.
They made a relatively small investment in a hugely profitable league with revenues rising every year, no doubt in the expectation that they could flip us on to someone else in three or four years for more. I doubt that they even expected an annual return. Just a profit of 50-60% when all was said and done. |
Bob Bradley shows that they know little about football.
Arrogance answers your second paragraph, theirs meant that they thought we would never get relegated. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 14:13]
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| A question on 14:15 - Feb 7 with 2649 views | KeithHaynes |
When they bought the club it was in the premier league.
Jenkins was making profit on players, in the main. He had his issues but he did make some decent money. It definitely want thrown away until the end, by then it was a lost cause.
They bought in believing it to be a club that could return profit be that annually or by selling on, that hasn’t worked. They are left with the 100 million burden ( or whatever it was ) and a heap load of investors who if they sold it now or even in the past three years would see them as high risk for future investments.
This is about ego and displaying to people they can run a club without it going under, which they do.
This isn’t about spending money on players from their own income totally. This is about the ‘player trading model’ we so often hear about which regardless of what anyone thinks has worked to an extent.
The BS a from the last six weeks is another matter entirely that’s just blagging. |  |
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| A question on 14:28 - Feb 7 with 2633 views | whiterock |
| A question on 14:15 - Feb 7 by KeithHaynes |
When they bought the club it was in the premier league.
Jenkins was making profit on players, in the main. He had his issues but he did make some decent money. It definitely want thrown away until the end, by then it was a lost cause.
They bought in believing it to be a club that could return profit be that annually or by selling on, that hasn’t worked. They are left with the 100 million burden ( or whatever it was ) and a heap load of investors who if they sold it now or even in the past three years would see them as high risk for future investments.
This is about ego and displaying to people they can run a club without it going under, which they do.
This isn’t about spending money on players from their own income totally. This is about the ‘player trading model’ we so often hear about which regardless of what anyone thinks has worked to an extent.
The BS a from the last six weeks is another matter entirely that’s just blagging. |
I wouldn't say a lost cause, Carlos Cavahal bottled it IMO
When the big money was spent (and it was) the players didn't live up to the billing
Huw Jenkins had lost his touch or maybe because he wasn't calling the shots was less interested? | | | |
| A question on 14:58 - Feb 7 with 2603 views | Dr_Winston |
| A question on 13:54 - Feb 7 by Fireboy2 |
Bob Bradley shows that they know little about football.
Arrogance answers your second paragraph, theirs meant that they thought we would never get relegated. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 14:13]
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At least we're agreed that they knew relegation was a possibility. | |
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| A question on 16:12 - Feb 7 with 2546 views | SullutaCreturned |
I've said ths before, the Yanks were sold a pup. Jenkins conned them. They thought they were getting a stable EPL club. Jenkins and the others knew we were about to implode but they didn't tell kaplan that! | | | |
| A question on 16:16 - Feb 7 with 2538 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
They are not idiots and if they hang around long enough they will make good money. It is the Welsh who are the stupid ones and arrogant as well. A bad combination.
Huw Jenkins and co gave the fans group a 10,000% return. They are so stupid they have not sold a single share and many especially on forums detest the man that made them financial kings. In my mind the definition of stone cold losers.
The "Establishment" gave the simple fans a donkey to exercise on Swansea beach for a feeling of engagement in terms of the Standard Rules. An institution that encourages inertia. They have never sold a share because trading is based on the concept of personal gain. The personal gain for the SCST is the VIP perks not cash which they cannot have. If no one can gain then no one works "for the common good" for nothing.
Swansea was sold for £100m with US people buying control for £67m. They will now expand their ownership to around 75-80% with the convertible loan notes.
Swansea was sold for £100m Burnley was sold for £200m last season. If the club is promoted the club will be similar to Burnley. 75% off 200m is £150m for a £85m investment.
Levien and Kaplan have lost £20m but is getting and income from Swansea city fellow investors. The losers are the 28 but they are probably big winers elsewhere. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 16:20]
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| A question on 16:18 - Feb 7 with 2535 views | Fireboy2 |
| A question on 14:58 - Feb 7 by Dr_Winston |
At least we're agreed that they knew relegation was a possibility. |
Part of me thinks they thought it was a franchise style closed shop. | | | |
| A question on 16:19 - Feb 7 with 2534 views | Fireboy2 |
| A question on 16:16 - Feb 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They are not idiots and if they hang around long enough they will make good money. It is the Welsh who are the stupid ones and arrogant as well. A bad combination.
Huw Jenkins and co gave the fans group a 10,000% return. They are so stupid they have not sold a single share and many especially on forums detest the man that made them financial kings. In my mind the definition of stone cold losers.
The "Establishment" gave the simple fans a donkey to exercise on Swansea beach for a feeling of engagement in terms of the Standard Rules. An institution that encourages inertia. They have never sold a share because trading is based on the concept of personal gain. The personal gain for the SCST is the VIP perks not cash which they cannot have. If no one can gain then no one works "for the common good" for nothing.
Swansea was sold for £100m with US people buying control for £67m. They will now expand their ownership to around 75-80% with the convertible loan notes.
Swansea was sold for £100m Burnley was sold for £200m last season. If the club is promoted the club will be similar to Burnley. 75% off 200m is £150m for a £85m investment.
Levien and Kaplan have lost £20m but is getting and income from Swansea city fellow investors. The losers are the 28 but they are probably big winers elsewhere. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 16:20]
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| A question on 16:20 - Feb 7 with 2532 views | GixerJack |
To answer the question of why an investor would invest money is simple.. to make more money, the fact they don’t know how to make money from their investment suggests they’re not very good very good investors.
As for not knowing about relegation, it’s hard to believe and probably more aligned to underestimating the overall effect of it along with the difficulty and cost associated with bouncing back up |  | | |
| A question on 16:24 - Feb 7 with 2518 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| A question on 16:19 - Feb 7 by Fireboy2 |
How the hell are they going to make good money? |
They have to get to the Premier league. There has been 100% inflation in PL team valuations.. Pie in the sky? Swansea got the play off twice. US people are buyer cheap shares in the club at the Trust's and others expense.
Shares bought at £300k per percent today are worth £2m in the PL.
Martin will be off unless he can shop some fight for the rest of the season. | |
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| A question on 16:29 - Feb 7 with 2508 views | Whiterockin |
| A question on 16:16 - Feb 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They are not idiots and if they hang around long enough they will make good money. It is the Welsh who are the stupid ones and arrogant as well. A bad combination.
Huw Jenkins and co gave the fans group a 10,000% return. They are so stupid they have not sold a single share and many especially on forums detest the man that made them financial kings. In my mind the definition of stone cold losers.
The "Establishment" gave the simple fans a donkey to exercise on Swansea beach for a feeling of engagement in terms of the Standard Rules. An institution that encourages inertia. They have never sold a share because trading is based on the concept of personal gain. The personal gain for the SCST is the VIP perks not cash which they cannot have. If no one can gain then no one works "for the common good" for nothing.
Swansea was sold for £100m with US people buying control for £67m. They will now expand their ownership to around 75-80% with the convertible loan notes.
Swansea was sold for £100m Burnley was sold for £200m last season. If the club is promoted the club will be similar to Burnley. 75% off 200m is £150m for a £85m investment.
Levien and Kaplan have lost £20m but is getting and income from Swansea city fellow investors. The losers are the 28 but they are probably big winers elsewhere. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 16:20]
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Burnley own their ground and the freehold. Swansea don't even own the fairwood training facility. To compare is just silly. Bournemouth a Premier League club changed hands this season for £100M. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 16:39]
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| A question on 16:46 - Feb 7 with 2470 views | Fireboy2 |
| A question on 16:24 - Feb 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They have to get to the Premier league. There has been 100% inflation in PL team valuations.. Pie in the sky? Swansea got the play off twice. US people are buyer cheap shares in the club at the Trust's and others expense.
Shares bought at £300k per percent today are worth £2m in the PL.
Martin will be off unless he can shop some fight for the rest of the season. |
Get to the PL? Now that comment proves you are off your rocker.
To do that they will have to spend money to get the players to get us there, that hasn't happened for the last two season, coincides with us not getting parachute payments, coincidence?
These lot imo have cut their losses, they don't care whether we are in the championship, league 1 or the southern premier, face facts they will not spend another dime on us. | | | |
| A question on 17:17 - Feb 7 with 2438 views | max936 |
| A question on 10:11 - Feb 7 by Sirjohnalot |
Surely that can’t be right ? Whatever else they are, they’re successful business men and would have carried out due diligence before buying ? |
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| A question on 17:33 - Feb 7 with 2415 views | max936 |
| A question on 16:46 - Feb 7 by Fireboy2 |
Get to the PL? Now that comment proves you are off your rocker.
To do that they will have to spend money to get the players to get us there, that hasn't happened for the last two season, coincides with us not getting parachute payments, coincidence?
These lot imo have cut their losses, they don't care whether we are in the championship, league 1 or the southern premier, face facts they will not spend another dime on us. |
Its all the trust's fault, they got 800 grand burning a hole in their arse pockets mun.
Which is meant to be a safety net for SCFC in case things go tits up again, the fact that this current lot lost their bottle and signed a deal that will give little return to make a difference in todays football financials, is another story.
I don't know how many times this poster has been told about the money is a safety net, but those with agenda's will ignore truths. | |
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| A question on 19:30 - Feb 7 with 2338 views | Fireboy2 |
| A question on 17:33 - Feb 7 by max936 |
Its all the trust's fault, they got 800 grand burning a hole in their arse pockets mun.
Which is meant to be a safety net for SCFC in case things go tits up again, the fact that this current lot lost their bottle and signed a deal that will give little return to make a difference in todays football financials, is another story.
I don't know how many times this poster has been told about the money is a safety net, but those with agenda's will ignore truths. |
He like badlands is one of the sellouts mates, the yanks made his mates uber rich, no wonder he won't have a bad word said against them. | | | |
| A question on 19:40 - Feb 7 with 2327 views | KeithHaynes |
| A question on 17:33 - Feb 7 by max936 |
Its all the trust's fault, they got 800 grand burning a hole in their arse pockets mun.
Which is meant to be a safety net for SCFC in case things go tits up again, the fact that this current lot lost their bottle and signed a deal that will give little return to make a difference in todays football financials, is another story.
I don't know how many times this poster has been told about the money is a safety net, but those with agenda's will ignore truths. |
Following AFC Swansea in the football pyramid step 6 could be fun. | |
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