| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 204561 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:23 - Nov 20 with 1061 views | DJack |
Best of all... the same Dominion system was used in Georgia where a FULL HANDCOUNT matched the electronic count.
AfD and Dr_P are parroting garbage |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:28 - Nov 20 with 1055 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:23 - Nov 20 by DJack |
Best of all... the same Dominion system was used in Georgia where a FULL HANDCOUNT matched the electronic count.
AfD and Dr_P are parroting garbage |
The 6000 count error was human error, nothing to do with the Dominion system.
There are checks in place to ensure the final count is correct, these find errors such as this and the checks are done before "unofficial" counts change to "official" counts.
This was detected as the system works, but the republicans made a fuss about it.
Dominion is a Canadian company and is used across Canada during our general elections. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:58 - Nov 20 with 1032 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:28 - Nov 20 by Groo |
The 6000 count error was human error, nothing to do with the Dominion system.
There are checks in place to ensure the final count is correct, these find errors such as this and the checks are done before "unofficial" counts change to "official" counts.
This was detected as the system works, but the republicans made a fuss about it.
Dominion is a Canadian company and is used across Canada during our general elections. |
Oh I know most of that it's just it was an appropriate moment to mention that the electronic system used by both was shown to be accurate and dependable in a hand recount.
It's all about keeping the Trump base fired up for the Georgia Senator run-off and to ensure donations to Trumps fund that will assist in paying off his debts. He might even start his own propaganda "news" channel which would be viewed by his credulous base. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:59 - Nov 20 with 1031 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:30 - Nov 20 by Groo |
What don't I undertand? The affidavit is part of the Trump team’s case relating to Dominion and raising concerns of voter fraud in Michigan.
They included a list of the suspect districts and the figures to go with them, these were actually all Republican districts in Minnesota.
Is that the bit I don't understand? |
There are hundreds of affidavits. You are referring to one.
The affidavits are of vote malpractice and fraud. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:02 - Nov 20 with 1028 views | Dr_Parnassus |
What is false about it? The software and the process involving that software failed which led to thousands of votes, yet again, being lost for Trump.
Nothing false about it. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:05 - Nov 20 with 1023 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:23 - Nov 20 by DJack |
Best of all... the same Dominion system was used in Georgia where a FULL HANDCOUNT matched the electronic count.
AfD and Dr_P are parroting garbage |
It was not a full hand count, a large portion of the vote is uncountable.
This also did not involve signature matching.
I am not parroting anything, I am stating a fact that Dominion systems are unreliable and easy to manipulate. This has caused grave uncertainty in the vote which is why audits are happening where thousands of votes are being corrected... of course all erroneous batches initially favoring Biden. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:07 - Nov 20 with 1019 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:28 - Nov 20 by Groo |
The 6000 count error was human error, nothing to do with the Dominion system.
There are checks in place to ensure the final count is correct, these find errors such as this and the checks are done before "unofficial" counts change to "official" counts.
This was detected as the system works, but the republicans made a fuss about it.
Dominion is a Canadian company and is used across Canada during our general elections. |
Of course it was to do with Dominion system. It requires human intervention for it to ''work'', that failed. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:41 - Nov 20 with 987 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Of course they haven't alleged fraud under oath, I have told you this before.
Fraud suggests intent, it is very difficult to prove intent as it can always be claimed as ''error''.
Error and fraud have the same outcome, so their remit is to prove the outcome of inaccuracy and error. The motivation behind each is largely irrelevant.
The fact every single error seems to have initially helped Biden tells it's own story, but still can't categorically prove intent... but we can read between the lines. [Post edited 20 Nov 2020 23:43]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:43 - Nov 20 with 984 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:02 - Nov 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
What is false about it? The software and the process involving that software failed which led to thousands of votes, yet again, being lost for Trump.
Nothing false about it. |
Again, once more for the weak of mind, the Software did not fail. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:46 - Nov 20 with 979 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:43 - Nov 20 by Groo |
Again, once more for the weak of mind, the Software did not fail. |
Of course it did. It required an update to work successfully. It did not get that update and failed. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:47 - Nov 20 with 979 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:59 - Nov 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
There are hundreds of affidavits. You are referring to one.
The affidavits are of vote malpractice and fraud. |
Yes, hundreds of affidavits which are dropping like files, because most are incorrect, without basis etc.
Quite a few are errors by the people signing them, many being paid to give an affidavit.
This is Trumps plan, overload the system.
So remind me, how many affidavits exactly?
How many have already been kicked out?
How many have been before a judge and upheld?
These three figures should tell their own story. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:50 - Nov 20 with 977 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:05 - Nov 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
It was not a full hand count, a large portion of the vote is uncountable.
This also did not involve signature matching.
I am not parroting anything, I am stating a fact that Dominion systems are unreliable and easy to manipulate. This has caused grave uncertainty in the vote which is why audits are happening where thousands of votes are being corrected... of course all erroneous batches initially favoring Biden. |
I was reading up about the signature thing.
Apparently everyone registers to vote when they reach age and sign in at the local registrar. Most elections people go to the booth with their ID after that.
Quite a lot, because of COVID, are voting by mail for the first time. Quite a few registered their signature 20, 30 maybe even 40 years before.
Most can't even remember how they signed back then, some have changed over time, so just because the signature does not match, it doesn't mean its not the same person. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:58 - Nov 20 with 972 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:46 - Nov 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course it did. It required an update to work successfully. It did not get that update and failed. |
What does update mean, and be aware I am a Software Engineer.
I don't know what the specific cause was, your interpretation is that the machine needed a software revision update to overcome a known error.
That maybe the case.
It could also be that the clerk did not press the button fopr the softeware to update the count.
Two different things, I'll not state one over the other as I don't know the detail.
Neither do you.
I should add the quote by an official there.
"The equipment and software did not malfunction and all ballots were properly tabulated,"
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:58 - Nov 20 with 970 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:47 - Nov 20 by Groo |
Yes, hundreds of affidavits which are dropping like files, because most are incorrect, without basis etc.
Quite a few are errors by the people signing them, many being paid to give an affidavit.
This is Trumps plan, overload the system.
So remind me, how many affidavits exactly?
How many have already been kicked out?
How many have been before a judge and upheld?
These three figures should tell their own story. |
They aren't dropping at all.
You cannot have an ''incorrect'' affidavit. It is either deemed untrue, compelling or not enough. I don't think any have been deemed as ''untrue''. Have they?
These affidavits are intended for Supreme Court, nobody expects them to go through local court. It is simply the first step of a process.
It's odd you have no faith in Supreme Court but have faith in the decisions of local court. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:02 - Nov 21 with 961 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:58 - Nov 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
They aren't dropping at all.
You cannot have an ''incorrect'' affidavit. It is either deemed untrue, compelling or not enough. I don't think any have been deemed as ''untrue''. Have they?
These affidavits are intended for Supreme Court, nobody expects them to go through local court. It is simply the first step of a process.
It's odd you have no faith in Supreme Court but have faith in the decisions of local court. |
Its just as odd you are only the other way around.
Don't forget, Obama was not allowed by McConnell to appoint a new Supreme Court judge because at 11 months before the election, McConnell deemed it far too close to the election. The same McConnell that thought it was OK for Trump to add a republican to the court less than a month from the election.
There is at least one judge beholdant to Trump on that Supreme Court. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:03 - Nov 21 with 954 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:58 - Nov 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
They aren't dropping at all.
You cannot have an ''incorrect'' affidavit. It is either deemed untrue, compelling or not enough. I don't think any have been deemed as ''untrue''. Have they?
These affidavits are intended for Supreme Court, nobody expects them to go through local court. It is simply the first step of a process.
It's odd you have no faith in Supreme Court but have faith in the decisions of local court. |
Incorrect because the person signing the affidavit has no idea what they are talking about ar being deliberately fraudlent. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:04 - Nov 21 with 951 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:02 - Nov 21 by Groo |
Its just as odd you are only the other way around.
Don't forget, Obama was not allowed by McConnell to appoint a new Supreme Court judge because at 11 months before the election, McConnell deemed it far too close to the election. The same McConnell that thought it was OK for Trump to add a republican to the court less than a month from the election.
There is at least one judge beholdant to Trump on that Supreme Court. |
Not at all.
I just take the common sense view that the Supreme Court is the best in the land.
We have already discussed the Obama situation? Why is it you want to address it again?
To save me typing I will find it, and add it onto this post. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:08 - Nov 21 with 941 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Here you go...
''Supreme Court is the best of the best and they go through vigorous checks and tests before being confirmed. To compare local court to the highest court in the land is laughable.
Obama appointed 2 judges to the Supreme Court and was denied the third. Coney Barrett’s appointment was vital due to the increasing likelihood it would go there because of the Democrat pushed new way of voting which is notoriously inaccurate.
...not to mention the instructions to Biden from Pelosi to “not concede under ANY circumstance”. Quite ironic really.
Republicans had a clear majority whether she was appointed or not 5-3. However it is important to have a 9th appointment to avoid any potential of a tie and the problems that would cause for the country, it was an exceptional circumstance.
And yes I fully backed that as it was the common sense position.'' | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:10 - Nov 21 with 936 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:05 - Nov 21 by Groo |
Why does it matter that you are a Software Engineer?
Because I can look at what is said and know there are multiple interpretations, you only have one, the one that matches your narrative.
here's the quote again,in case you didn't bother reading last time
"The equipment and software did not malfunction and all ballots were properly tabulated,"
The equipment and software DID NOT MALFUNCTION. [Post edited 21 Nov 2020 0:07]
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Being a software engineer doesn't mean you can read any better.
and I quote
"Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results," the Nov. 6 statement said.'' | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:13 - Nov 21 with 916 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:10 - Nov 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Being a software engineer doesn't mean you can read any better.
and I quote
"Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results," the Nov. 6 statement said.'' |
"Because the clerk did not update software" can be interpreted by the non-layperson as not pressing the button to update the count via the software.
Being a software engineer I know that lay people sometimes use incorrect terms for what they actually mean, therefore by experience I know that you have to take whats being said with a pinch of salt and go and see for yourself.
Its not impossible that a major update requiring software downloads to equipment while being used but I find it hard to believe a machine this long in the tooth had a basic error as not counting correctly.
Being as your not a software engineer you probably don't understand this. | |
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