| Beale on Offish 18:29 - Jul 30 with 6907 views | stainrods_elbow |
Bullish and defiant - a 'strong enough' performance, apparently, albeit 'a bit toothless' in the final third, 'which' - rather tellingly - 'we all knew about anyway' (and which, blow me down with a blue and white feather, probably means it wasn't strong enough after all).
O well, he might be a good football manager, but he's still a football manager, I suppose, and he probably rehearsed that first-game speech irrespective of the outcome. 'Not full strength' is probably the straw we clutch onto. |  |
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| Beale on Offish on 18:40 - Jul 30 with 4872 views | charmr |
Seemed to me Beale doesn’t have the players for the way he wants to play.
Managers never blame players as they still need them to play for you. That’s why we have VAR as the referees took all the flack. |  | | |
| Beale on Offish on 18:41 - Jul 30 with 4853 views | superhoopdownunder |
Get rid of Ferdinand and we may be ok #clueless | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 18:43 - Jul 30 with 4830 views | charmr |
Too many half decent players getting scooped up by Premier league teams in the south east. You can be from North Greenford Utd and still not be at Rangers.
I always thought Penrice had an eye for a good player. [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 18:47]
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| Beale on Offish on 18:50 - Jul 30 with 4754 views | superhoopdownunder |
Mick Beale has to work out that the goalscoring machine that was Les Ferdinand is unable to function as Director of Football. 7.5 years later. He actually is a liability not an asset, Out of his depth. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 18:53 - Jul 30 with 4719 views | Myke |
| Beale on Offish on 18:41 - Jul 30 by superhoopdownunder |
Get rid of Ferdinand and we may be ok #clueless |
What took you so long? | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 18:53 - Jul 30 with 4718 views | charmr |
Maybe more hugs around the club may work, seems to for Klopp | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 19:03 - Jul 30 with 4635 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale on Offish on 18:53 - Jul 30 by Myke |
What took you so long? |
Indeed. 7.5 years is far too long. Serious questions should have been asked a long time ago. As they should of the Head of an Academy that hasn’t produced one player for sale in the same time. | |
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| Beale on Offish on 19:14 - Jul 30 with 4547 views | superhoopdownunder |
| Beale on Offish on 19:03 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
Indeed. 7.5 years is far too long. Serious questions should have been asked a long time ago. As they should of the Head of an Academy that hasn’t produced one player for sale in the same time. |
I recall when the mighty Steve Morrow joined us but was a complete donkey
Up there with Gus Caesar played for us
We need to lift our standards
Dof is lay and incompetent. [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 19:15]
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| Beale on Offish on 19:22 - Jul 30 with 4480 views | Myke |
| Beale on Offish on 19:03 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
Indeed. 7.5 years is far too long. Serious questions should have been asked a long time ago. As they should of the Head of an Academy that hasn’t produced one player for sale in the same time. |
Head of Academy and Head of Recruitment are neither of Ferdinand's roles | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 19:23 - Jul 30 with 4468 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale on Offish on 19:22 - Jul 30 by Myke |
Head of Academy and Head of Recruitment are neither of Ferdinand's roles |
Agreed, what’s your point? | |
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| Beale on Offish on 19:33 - Jul 30 with 4406 views | loftupper |
| Beale on Offish on 18:50 - Jul 30 by superhoopdownunder |
Mick Beale has to work out that the goalscoring machine that was Les Ferdinand is unable to function as Director of Football. 7.5 years later. He actually is a liability not an asset, Out of his depth. |
I presume you speak from experience given you couldn't quite cut it in the UK so had to head out to the colonies | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 19:36 - Jul 30 with 4389 views | derbyhoop |
| Beale on Offish on 19:14 - Jul 30 by superhoopdownunder |
I recall when the mighty Steve Morrow joined us but was a complete donkey
Up there with Gus Caesar played for us
We need to lift our standards
Dof is lay and incompetent. [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 19:15]
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You've obviously got a bee I your bonnet re Les.
Given, we dropped out of PL with a huge wage bill that we couldn't afford, are we better set up now than then? Most would say yes.
We've got the wage bill under control to a large extent?
We sold a player for nearly £20m
We've got a great Head of Recruitment, in Andy Belk.
We've got a scouting system
We've got a new training ground.
We cant expect Les to magic up a bigger/newer ground. |  |
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| Beale on Offish on 19:37 - Jul 30 with 4383 views | Myke |
| Beale on Offish on 19:23 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
Agreed, what’s your point? |
A fairly obvious one.Ferdinand is getting stick for our 'failures' in recruitment and producing sell-able players from our academy, but neither of these is his job. You can make the argument of course, that the 'buck must stop' somewhere- but I think Ferdinand is an easy scapegoat. Clearly he WAS heavily involved in the Beale appointment, so if it does all go south then he has to be accountable for that. But after one game - I mean come on. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 19:39 - Jul 30 with 4364 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale on Offish on 19:37 - Jul 30 by Myke |
A fairly obvious one.Ferdinand is getting stick for our 'failures' in recruitment and producing sell-able players from our academy, but neither of these is his job. You can make the argument of course, that the 'buck must stop' somewhere- but I think Ferdinand is an easy scapegoat. Clearly he WAS heavily involved in the Beale appointment, so if it does all go south then he has to be accountable for that. But after one game - I mean come on. |
Not obvious to me, excuse my ignorance. What is he responsible for then?
Edit: Myke? [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 20:03]
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| Beale on Offish on 20:02 - Jul 30 with 4241 views | Toast_R |
I thought the ref was sh*t today. When did a blatant shirt pull become just a word in your ear rather than a yellow card? Possibly a second if it was Buckley but couldn't tell from where I was. |  | | |
| Beale on Offish on 20:12 - Jul 30 with 4185 views | paulparker |
| Beale on Offish on 19:37 - Jul 30 by Myke |
A fairly obvious one.Ferdinand is getting stick for our 'failures' in recruitment and producing sell-able players from our academy, but neither of these is his job. You can make the argument of course, that the 'buck must stop' somewhere- but I think Ferdinand is an easy scapegoat. Clearly he WAS heavily involved in the Beale appointment, so if it does all go south then he has to be accountable for that. But after one game - I mean come on. |
Under Les we have seen the following strikers
Polter
Sylla
Yeni ngabeto (sp)
Washington
Dykes
Bonne
Kelman
All of these bought for cash , all have been crap
We have lost Bidwell , Manning, BOS, Hall, Barbet for no return
We have never solved the right back issue and have given one of the worst left backs in the history of football a 4 year deal
Our only success story has been Eze
I think it’s fair that fans start questioning Les and his role here |  |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Beale on Offish on 20:38 - Jul 30 with 4070 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale on Offish on 19:36 - Jul 30 by derbyhoop |
You've obviously got a bee I your bonnet re Les.
Given, we dropped out of PL with a huge wage bill that we couldn't afford, are we better set up now than then? Most would say yes.
We've got the wage bill under control to a large extent?
We sold a player for nearly £20m
We've got a great Head of Recruitment, in Andy Belk.
We've got a scouting system
We've got a new training ground.
We cant expect Les to magic up a bigger/newer ground. |
Les didn’t solve the wage bill problem. He didn’t persuade players to leave their contracts behind for nothing. They came to an end.
We did, indeed sell one player for a big fee. One. In 7.5 years. A development/selling club. One big fee. In 7.5 years.
Andy Belk does seem a good appointment and credit to LF that he was appointed under his watch. On the other hand CR had been an absolute disaster.
The ‘scouting system’ is Andy Belk’s analysis.
I’d be absolutely staggered if LF had anything whatsoever to do with the training ground but, again, it happened under his watch. On the other hand Warren Farm happened on his watch as well.
The fact is plenty of other clubs get relegated with big wage bills but still manage to get promoted again, we didn’t under LF’s watch. ‘We’ seem to be happy we weren’t as bad as Sunderland. Other clubs produce players and sell them for money, we don’t. Other clubs pick up rough diamond young pros, develop them and sell them for big money. We’ve done it once which, when you put it into context, looks suspiciously like luck.
Because of all the dreadful decisions, we have next to no money, why are we wasting it on people not up to the job? [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 20:57]
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| Beale on Offish on 21:03 - Jul 30 with 3920 views | QPR_Jim |
| Beale on Offish on 20:12 - Jul 30 by paulparker |
Under Les we have seen the following strikers
Polter
Sylla
Yeni ngabeto (sp)
Washington
Dykes
Bonne
Kelman
All of these bought for cash , all have been crap
We have lost Bidwell , Manning, BOS, Hall, Barbet for no return
We have never solved the right back issue and have given one of the worst left backs in the history of football a 4 year deal
Our only success story has been Eze
I think it’s fair that fans start questioning Les and his role here |
Start to question him? from the day he got the job he's been questioned "what qualifications has he got to do the role?" I believe being the first question. There's been push back from day 1 from some fans to him trying to change the culture of the club Redknapp left behind with the more blood mantra existing to this day. Followed by a lot of "what does Les do?" and "a club of our size doesn't need a DoF" nonsense.
The fact he was a striker doesn't mean he can spot a rough diamond in the same position. He's not a scout, he could probably pick a great striker if money was no object but unfortunately that's not the name of the game at the moment.
We can all have our opinions on how well he's doing in his role but don't try and paint it like the fans have been patient with him and are only just starting to ask questions. |  | | |
| Beale on Offish on 21:09 - Jul 30 with 3877 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale on Offish on 21:03 - Jul 30 by QPR_Jim |
Start to question him? from the day he got the job he's been questioned "what qualifications has he got to do the role?" I believe being the first question. There's been push back from day 1 from some fans to him trying to change the culture of the club Redknapp left behind with the more blood mantra existing to this day. Followed by a lot of "what does Les do?" and "a club of our size doesn't need a DoF" nonsense.
The fact he was a striker doesn't mean he can spot a rough diamond in the same position. He's not a scout, he could probably pick a great striker if money was no object but unfortunately that's not the name of the game at the moment.
We can all have our opinions on how well he's doing in his role but don't try and paint it like the fans have been patient with him and are only just starting to ask questions. |
Come on, plenty of people could spot a striker if money was no object, surely you expect more from LF than that.
I agree, some, but not many, were asking questions about LF’s appointment from the start, me among them and, I think, with justification. His tenure has been abject. He was never qualified for the job, didn’t have the experience to do it, has learnt on the job and has been pretty ropey. | |
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| Beale on Offish on 21:21 - Jul 30 with 3806 views | davman |
| Beale on Offish on 20:02 - Jul 30 by Toast_R |
I thought the ref was sh*t today. When did a blatant shirt pull become just a word in your ear rather than a yellow card? Possibly a second if it was Buckley but couldn't tell from where I was. |
Get used to it. Not an excuse for our performance, but the ref did not want to book anyone today. As I say again and again, I get the "it's a tough job" argument, but how hard is it for them to be consistent?
Continues to shock me... |  |
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| Beale on Offish on 21:23 - Jul 30 with 3800 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Beale on Offish on 21:09 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
Come on, plenty of people could spot a striker if money was no object, surely you expect more from LF than that.
I agree, some, but not many, were asking questions about LF’s appointment from the start, me among them and, I think, with justification. His tenure has been abject. He was never qualified for the job, didn’t have the experience to do it, has learnt on the job and has been pretty ropey. |
He created the job at QPR.
When you say his tenure has been "abject" who are you comparing him to? Which DOF is the successful comparison? |  |
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| Beale on Offish on 21:25 - Jul 30 with 3771 views | QPR_Jim |
| Beale on Offish on 21:09 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
Come on, plenty of people could spot a striker if money was no object, surely you expect more from LF than that.
I agree, some, but not many, were asking questions about LF’s appointment from the start, me among them and, I think, with justification. His tenure has been abject. He was never qualified for the job, didn’t have the experience to do it, has learnt on the job and has been pretty ropey. |
I believe that you're not being fair to him. To be clear I expect the scouts to do the scouting. Have they missed opportunities like Scott Twine, yes but generally all the scouts are fishing the same pool and competing for the same talent as every other championship club so it won't always go our way and we may end up taking the 3/4/5 option, who knows.
You said "Les didn’t solve the wage bill problem. He didn’t persuade players to leave their contracts behind for nothing. They came to an end." True, but he managed to get the ghost that was Steven Caulker loans to Southampton and Liverpool to get the budget down while waiting. Plus the difficulty wasn't getting the budget down but keeping us in this league while doing it.
I think the only thing that changes with time is the memory of how bad the situation was when HR left and how much we've had to dig away just to halt the rot that was in place. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 21:28 - Jul 30 with 3747 views | kernowhoop |
Is all this just because we lost 1-0 at Blackburn? Just checking. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 21:33 - Jul 30 with 3709 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Beale on Offish on 21:28 - Jul 30 by kernowhoop |
Is all this just because we lost 1-0 at Blackburn? Just checking. |
Well we've moved on from Michael Beale's belly, at least. | |
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| Beale on Offish on 21:35 - Jul 30 with 3684 views | aston_hoop |
| Beale on Offish on 21:33 - Jul 30 by CliveWilsonSaid |
Well we've moved on from Michael Beale's belly, at least. |
Banfield's probably isn't safe yet |  |
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